UPDATED - New Dish Pricing Info!

[STL]

Hey did you hear ? Charlie is greedily wanting the fees to exceed the program packages.......

Maybe everyone needs to take a deep breath and wait this out a little to make sure this change even comes to fruition as it has been detailed. Like I said before, they way it's worded makes it suspect. Heck, they are dropping the DVR fee to one per household instead of for each unit -- so it's not all about raising fees. Maybe I'm wrong, but wouldn't applying this other fee for only non-DVR dual tuner units make them more expensive that dual tuner DVR units?

 

[Bob Haller]

ray posted a paste of his E bill from AT&T so its definetely happening.

17 bucks for a 722 plus additional outlet fee.

E has become greedy.

charlie get you hand out of my pocket!!!! STOP IT!

geez chuck its only money dont you have enough already?

 

[dolmar]

Maybe everyone needs to take a deep breath and wait this out a little to make sure this change even comes to fruition as it has been detailed. Like I said before, they way it's worded makes it suspect. Heck, they are dropping the DVR fee to one per household instead of for each unit -- so it's not all about raising fees. Maybe I'm wrong, but wouldn't applying this other fee for only non-DVR dual tuner units make them more expensive that dual tuner DVR units?

How you figure that? 222 new lease fee will be $14 vs 722 lease fee will be $17. But under the old program if you had say 1 722 and 1 222 between the DVR and Lease fee you paid $12 and now between the lease and DVR you are paying $19 and if you had 2 DVR you would be paying $23. So how is it cheaper to have 2 DVR?

 

[Bob Haller]

the comments here might prevent this plan from being implemented.

Incidently I heard E has begun closing the mc keesport call center, already over 100 terminated.

I guess the foreign center ramp up is ready sooner than expected. let some go in christanburgh tech center too.

 

[STL]

ray posted a paste of his E bill from AT&T so its definetely happening.

That really doesn't prove anything. I found one obvious typo in what he the pasted (where is says TurboHD Silver and Gold will be the SAME price) so it is obviously not 100% correct. Until someone sees the charge on their actual bill, I wouldn't get yourself too spun up. Then again that's too late for some...

 

[STL]

How you figure that? 222 new lease fee will be $14 vs 722 lease fee will be $17. But under the old program if you had say 1 722 and 1 222 between the DVR and Lease fee you paid $12 (plus a $6 DVR fee) and now between the lease and DVR you are paying $19 (based on what some think it'd actually be $14 lease on 222 + $5 TV2 + $6 DVR making it $25) and if you had 2 DVR you would be paying $23. So how is it cheaper to have 2 DVR?

Someone said it was $3 more for a dual DVR than a dual non-DVR. But then if they add a $5 fee to non-DVR dual (and not the dual DVR) then that would make it more. I asked the question though because I wasn't sure. See the bold I added in your quote.

I myself have just one 722 driving five televisions in my home (three HD and two SD) and don't yet really have the need to watch two different HD streams at the same time.

 

[Kheldar]

Really Note my bill and I have 17 bills all showing the same thing which I also gave to CA AG office.

Monthly Charges
Jan 01 - Jan 31 Classic Gold 250 With DVR 67.99
3 Premium Package 31.00
3 MO Premium Discount -31.00
HD & Platinum 10.00
DHA Leased Receiver 7.00
DHA Leased Receiver 7.00
$ 86.99


Notice how on my bill they are called "DHA Leased Receiver 7.00" and I am sure if you check your bill they are also called the same thing, if you look at the contract you signed which I did, Dish refers to them as Leased Receiver. It is very possible that Dish changed the language for new customers or their web page because they knew they were doing this but that does not change the fact all my old bills state "DHA Leased Receiver 7.00" and the contract I signed refers to boxes as "Leased Receiver" too. Like I said I recommend everyone call their local AG office and complain because if it is established that the receivers are in fact leased then dish has no right to increase the lease fee from on the boxes while you are under contract. Once your contract expires then Dish is free to raise the prices but if they choose to raises the prices while you are under contract they have to give you option of canceling the contract with no ETF.

OK, so things may have changed since you signed up. The DHA Agreement (PDF) now states (as of 11/11/09 revision):

*** WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO CHANGE PRICES, PACKAGES AND PROGRAMMING AT ANY TIME, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION, DURING ANY TERM COMMITMENT PERIOD TO WHICH YOU HAVE AGREED. ***

It then goes on to detail the "Additional Receiver Fees" (not named "Leased Receiver Fees").

Surely the agreement you signed says something similar to that.

And legally, there may be a difference between a "leased receiver fee" and an "additional receiver fee for a leased receiver".

 

[dolmar]

Someone said it was $3 more for a dual DVR than a dual non-DVR. But then if they add a $5 fee to non-DVR dual (and not the dual DVR) then that would make it more. I asked the question though because I wasn't sure. See the bold I added in your quote; maybe they are trying to push everyone to DVRs for some reason.

I myself have just one 722 driving five televisions in my home (three HD and two SD) and don't yet really have the need to watch two different HD streams at the same time.

You are completely lost dude.

My numbers are correct.

222 old price was $7 price is going to $14
722 old price was $7 price is going to $17
DVR fee used to be $6 and price is going $6

Lets do math ok? First receiver is included so you don't pay for the 722 lease fee ever follow me? So you are currently paying $7 +5 = 13 and starting Feb 1st you will pay $14 +6 = 20 what is the difference ? $7 not 13 like you think because you used to pay a DVR fee before and you are still are paying a DVR fee.

Next if you did not have your Dou boxes connected to phone line you used to pay $5.99 extra per box and now after the first box if you don't have your box connected to a phone line you are still paying an extra $5.99 per month so the net increase their is $0 if you connected your boxes to phone lines.

 

[dolmar]

OK, so things may have changed since you signed up. The DHA Agreement (PDF) now states (as of 11/11/09 revision):
It then goes on to detail the "Additional Receiver Fees" (not named "Leased Receiver Fees").

Surely the agreement you signed says something similar to that.

And legally, there may be a difference between a "leased receiver fee" and an "additional receiver fee for a leased receiver".

I am not bound by the new contract nor is anyone who signed up under the old contract prior to 11/11/09. Dish does not get to throw out your old contract and change the terms of the contract just because they fell like it, I know some of the difference between the old contract and new contract is under old contract you pay $10 a month for every month left on your contract as an ETF and under the new contract you pay $15 per month left. If I cancel service Dish can not charge me $15 per month like newer subs even tho their new contract allows them to as I bond by the terms of the contract I signed and not their current contract.


2nd Look at your monthly bill what does dish put on your bill? Do they call your receiver "DHA Leased Receiver 7.00" or do they say like you are saying "Additional Receiver Fee 7.00"?

The lease upgrade fee of up to $99.00 for the second model 522, 625 or HomeZone 1022 receiver is not a deposit and is non-refundable. The $29.99 activation fee (if applicable) is non-refundable but will not be credited on your first account billing statement solely in the event that you are a new, first-time DISH Network subscriber who agrees to the eighteen month agreement by Electronic Tweentyfour Month Agreement Acceptance. State and local taxes, or reimbursement charges for gross earnings taxes imposed on satellite providers for transmission of programming in some states, may apply. Other fees may apply as set forth in the Residential Customer Agreement. Different or other payment options may be applicable where billing is provided through a billing agent. All receivers selected by you within the first thirty (30) days of initial activation of your DISH Network account shall be treated as selected by you under this Agreement for all purposes, including, without limitation, with respect to ownership and unreturned equipment fees.

Source DISH Network Satellite TV Terms and Conditions while that is not the same agreement I signed as I unable to find the exact same one online I was able to find that and in that contract Dish refers to boxes as leases too. In that version of their contract they refer to "Lease upgrade Fee" and hence they are calling their own receivers leases too. Which is why I think everyone should be calling their own state AG office and complaining about these so called increases.

 

[STL]

The TV2 fee is listed as $5, and the new text that someone pasted says it only applies to non-DVR dual units. So if you first box is a 722 you are already paying the $6/month DVR fee. Adding a 222 to the mix would be $14 plus the $5 TV2 fee (that some believe -- but I don't) so that total $19/month whereas adding a 722 instead would only be $17/month.


EDIT: I see it says "non-DVR package subs" so it's not talking about the units themselves. That said, even if this fee is real then why not pay one $6/month fee to get DVR service instead of paying an additional $5/month for each dual tuner unit?

 

[Dah-Henny]

Someone who is positively in the know checked my new fees today, and my bill is going up a total of 2¢.

1. I own my 722
2. I have dishHD Absolute
3. I have locals
4. Phone line is hooked up

My DVR fee is going from 5.98 to 6.00.
TV2 fee will NOT be charged because the STB is hooked up to a phone line.

 

[Bob Haller]

The FACT the CEO e mail isnt responding means what?

Its bad business to refuse to respond to customers. and its not just me, its a bunch of us/

responses I have gotten from E workers indicate ts a big price boost if you happen to have multiple boxes

so get a in the know updated price quote for me...........

two 722Ks one 625, pittsburgh locals with AEP. all connected to phone line and or internet. up tlll this price jump came up I planned on buying a 3rd 722 and using ethernet only, as part of dropping phone lines....... no high def package yet, about to buy a high def tv

geez what a mess, perhaps scott posted the price increase hoping someone might realize its a big mistake.

 

[KAB]

Why do you think you mean squat to CEO?? You need to, no body else has the guts to say it, GET OVER IT.

 

[Jonhern]

Was actually re-reading my contract and noticed the 922 is listed on it, while I was reading this I was on cnet and the 922 was no. 5 on top 5 vaporware of 2009 (products with a lot of hype that never materialized), lol. I don't know how many people will actually want that thing, it says it is a $400 upgrade fee, plus you would have to pay $10 dvr fee and I guess $17 receiver fee, maybe more. If you break up the $400 over a two year commitment, thats almost $45 a month just so you can use a box.

 

[Bob Haller]

Why do you think you mean squat to CEO?? You need to, no body else has the guts to say it, GET OVER IT.

EVERY BUSINESS SHOULD VALUE EVERY CUSTOMER. Espically long termers like me, of 13 years.

with AEP about a 100 bucks a month thats 1200 bucks a year, and over my lifetime as a sub,probably 12 grand total.

companies that ignore customers get churn, which only costs them money.

I have NEVER had a free upgrade, a free receiver, a programing discount more than a few bucks.......

I am a noisey unhappy sub right now. but a long term customer most companies would be thrilled to get

 

[bobvick]

I believe that it would behoove most of us here to wait and see exactly what is OFFICIALLY stated by the company when it comes to fee increases.
There is no offical press release or official statement of any kind.
I am sure that fees are going up, but until something is announced by Dish Network itself, we can only speculate, and speculation is what the majority of this thread consists of.

 

[Bob Haller]

well ray has his new bill...........

 

[dont24]

Bob, you got me beat. Not by much. I started with Dish in October 1998. Paying $144 now w/ AEP and 4 receivers. Bill is going up $26 from what I've been able to figure. SUCKS! I don't ever remember this type of increase for any service I've had over the years. I'm pissed off, just like you. I could drop my 510 and use a 722 for my 2 kid's rooms. Are we stuck? Who else offers a dual output HDDVR? Comcrap doesn't. Don't really want to switch to Direct. E* is going to force me to drop a receiver and drop AEP. So Charlie being greedy will translate into cancelations or in my case drop programming.

 

[Ray_Clum]

That really doesn't prove anything. I found one obvious typo in what he the pasted (where is says TurboHD Silver and Gold will be the SAME price) so it is obviously not 100% correct. Until someone sees the charge on their actual bill, I wouldn't get yourself too spun up. Then again that's too late for some...

Here's the screenshot from my on-line bill from at&t... The typo is theirs, and I believe that you are correct on the pricing, but it is essentially dead nuts accurate.

 

[purwater]

I would've been with Dish for 12 years at the end of this month had I stayed the whole time. After 7.5 years I was trying go get a decent price on buying a 510. All I was offered was full retail even though I'd never got a receiver or DVR at a discounted price or free like many others. I signed up when you had to shell out the money. I was just wanting a similar deal to a new customer since I had been a long time customer with the AEP and about a $120 monthly bill. They refused and since the DVRs at the time were fairly terrible I switched to Directv and got 4 dual tuner Tivos and all installed for quite a bit less than the retail price of the 510. I hadn't planned on coming back, but the price of the Turbo HD packages lured me back over a year ago. In the end it looks like my bill will go up $1 so no biggie, but I'd be pissed if I was like many folks with several DVRs and a large programming pack. I guess I'll stay put and see what comes over the next year. If things get too out of line I'll be out of contract in 10 months and will have options.