This is how I feel also. Of course it's a HUGE gamble for the Silver and Black, but they feel they can win NOW.
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This is how I feel also. Of course it's a HUGE gamble for the Silver and Black, but they feel they can win NOW.
Don't forget 2011's first Thursday Night game on the NFL Network is the Raiders vs. Chargers featuring Rivers vs. Carson Palmer.
What are you talking about "not a young team"? Other than QB, the skilled postion players are all in the mid to lower 20s. The Raiders average age is 26 and in the position where they do have age, DT and CB, they have young guys to back them up.
Kevin Boss TE 27
McFadden RB 24
Ford WR 24
DHB WR 24
Denarius Moore WR 22
Luis Murphy WR 24
Chazz Chillens WR 24
David Ausberry TE 24
Bruce Campell OL 23
Joe Barksdale OL 23
Veldheer OL/C 24
Wisniewksi OL 22
Houston DE 24
Shaughnessy DE 25
Desmont Bryant DT 25
Aaron Curry LB 25
Travis Goethel LB 24
McClain LB 22
DVD CB 22
Chekwa CB 22
Routt CB 28
Boyd S 25
Branch S 24
Mitchell S 24
They are NOT old and the team is deep, but young. They are fine....
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Huge gamble it is. But remember, like any place of business when you are a "people manager", you want "your guys" in...people you hired. By the sounds of it, HueJax has wanted Palmer in Silver and Black since he got there.
You sort of might as well. You don't draft a player in the 1st round unless you think he can contribute soon. I like Ponder. He is a tough kid.
Meh. Depends how you look at it. Their best players are Seymour and McFadden. Seymour is one of those old guys , and they have to take advantage of McFadden when he's healthy...because he's not always healthy.
Add in the fact that they won't have as many high draft picks going forward as other teams...and you can make the argument the Raiders' time is now. Not down the road.
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Add in the fact that they won't have as many high draft picks going forward as other teams...and you can make the argument the Raiders' time is now. Not down the road.
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Bill remeber one of marinos last games against the pats against bledsoe? it was very early in drew's career. that game was an offensive explosion!!! marino would throw a bomb for a td.then bledsoe would do the exact same thing. between the two they almost had a thousand yards passing that day and 8 td's i believe. exciting times. but we probably lost that game. it was the story for a long time. danny had to throw a bunch of TD's so we can stay in the game because our defense was non existent. we had games against the jets which we put up 50 points but the jets would put 53. can't win that way.Rey, I still remember the Dolphins-Pats game in Foxboro in 1984. Marino just absolutely destroyed a pretty good Pats team (they were 5-2 going into the game). IIRC, Marino put up 50 points, but he could've named the score. The Pats simply had no answers to stop that machine.
It was so bad that after the game Pats head coach Ron Meyer fired DC Rod Rust. The next day the Sullivan family reinstated Rust, fired Meyer and named Raymond Berry HC.
Bottom line, Dan Marino was one of the all-time greats!!
it was obvious he was done when the eagles traded him to a division rival. but no one listened. i don't doubt miami will probably trade a first round pick for mcnabb
So in the end, the Browns handed the Bengals 2 pretty valuable draft picks by hurting Campbell, heh. Some other good points from PFT:
1. With the new CBA implementing a real rookie wage scale, first-round picks are worth more than they were before 2011, especially in the upper reaches of the round. Teams can now acquire blue-chip talent at far lower pay, squatting on them for at least five years. At a time when not many players have been yielding first-round picks via trade, the possibility that the Raiders will give up two of them for Palmer is stunning.
2. Even if Palmer stinks and the Raiders otherwise make it to the postseason and win one game, the compensation becomes two first-rounders. It's unknown whether the Raiders pressed for a trigger based on Palmer's performance, but given the way he played last year, it would have made sense to get such protection.
2. The Broncos may be kicking themselves for sending receiver Brandon Lloyd to the Rams for a sixth-round pick that can become a fifth-round pick. After the Palmer deal, it seems that maybe the Broncos could have done better.
3. Or not. The Palmer trade could make it difficult if not impossible to get any more trades accomplished before this year's deadline, since the team with the player who would be traded will (or at least should) start the talks by pointing out what the Raiders gave up for Palmer.
4. Palmer reportedly has said he'll never again set foot in Paul Brown Stadium. Under the current scheduling formula, he will next year.
5. If the Raiders win the AFC West and the Bengals capture a wild-card berth, Cincy could face a no-lose situation in the postseason, if the playoff tree sends Cincinnati to Oakland. Win the game and advance, lose the game and get a second first-round pick.
6. As Paul Gutierrez of CSN Bay Area pointed out during PFT Live, Raiders coach Hue Jackson clearly is running the show in Oakland. And he's taking a big risk that Palmer won't be worth the price that was paid. Which could eventually limit Jackson's influence, if Palmer doesn't deliver.
7. As Joe Reedy of the Cincinnati Enquirer pointed out during PFT Live, the Bengals ultimately can thank the Browns for helping the Bengals get up to two first-round picks for Palmer. If the Browns don't break Jason Campbell's collarbone, Palmer doesn't get traded until 2012, at the earliest.
8. Palmer's decision not to file retirement papers made it easier for the deal to go down quickly, since Palmer didn't have to send a letter to the Commissioner with a request to be reinstated to the active roster.
9. If receiver Chad Ochocinco gets cut by the Patriots, his beeline to the Bay may not happen. There's a belief that Palmer has had enough of Chad, and that Palmer wouldn't want to play with him again.
10. Terrelle Pryor's career is now on hold indefinitely, unless he enters the game in a Wildcat package or plays another position.
11. Carson Palmer eventually got what he wanted, without drawing much criticism. As others in the media have pointed out, it's hard to imagine other players essentially quitting on their team to force a trade and not being called out aggressively.
2. Even if Palmer stinks and the Raiders otherwise make it to the postseason and win one game, the compensation becomes two first-rounders. It's unknown whether the Raiders pressed for a trigger based on Palmer's performance, but given the way he played last year, it would have made sense to get such protection.
2. The Broncos may be kicking themselves for sending receiver Brandon Lloyd to the Rams for a sixth-round pick that can become a fifth-round pick. After the Palmer deal, it seems that maybe the Broncos could have done better.
3. Or not. The Palmer trade could make it difficult if not impossible to get any more trades accomplished before this year's deadline, since the team with the player who would be traded will (or at least should) start the talks by pointing out what the Raiders gave up for Palmer.
4. Palmer reportedly has said he'll never again set foot in Paul Brown Stadium. Under the current scheduling formula, he will next year.
5. If the Raiders win the AFC West and the Bengals capture a wild-card berth, Cincy could face a no-lose situation in the postseason, if the playoff tree sends Cincinnati to Oakland. Win the game and advance, lose the game and get a second first-round pick.
6. As Paul Gutierrez of CSN Bay Area pointed out during PFT Live, Raiders coach Hue Jackson clearly is running the show in Oakland. And he's taking a big risk that Palmer won't be worth the price that was paid. Which could eventually limit Jackson's influence, if Palmer doesn't deliver.
7. As Joe Reedy of the Cincinnati Enquirer pointed out during PFT Live, the Bengals ultimately can thank the Browns for helping the Bengals get up to two first-round picks for Palmer. If the Browns don't break Jason Campbell's collarbone, Palmer doesn't get traded until 2012, at the earliest.
8. Palmer's decision not to file retirement papers made it easier for the deal to go down quickly, since Palmer didn't have to send a letter to the Commissioner with a request to be reinstated to the active roster.
9. If receiver Chad Ochocinco gets cut by the Patriots, his beeline to the Bay may not happen. There's a belief that Palmer has had enough of Chad, and that Palmer wouldn't want to play with him again.
10. Terrelle Pryor's career is now on hold indefinitely, unless he enters the game in a Wildcat package or plays another position.
11. Carson Palmer eventually got what he wanted, without drawing much criticism. As others in the media have pointed out, it's hard to imagine other players essentially quitting on their team to force a trade and not being called out aggressively.
Obviously, you have not seen enough Raider games. Seymour is the leader and one of the top defenders. At 32, he is still one of the best defensive linemen in the NFL. He has maybe 2 years left. McFadden was healthy all of last year and has yet to miss this year....so he is healthy. The Raiders STILL will have 3 compensatory draft picks for next year that can be anywhere from 3rd rounders to a 7th rounder. And since all 3 FA signed for huge contracts, more than likely it will be closer to 3rd to 5th.
As far as WHEN the Raiders time, I am gonna assume they thought they were close enough to take the risk. We still do not know if they resign Campbell and the plan is to develope Pryor into another version of Campbell. So, the future is there with this young team as well as down the line..whether you think it's "meh" or not.
I remember it well. It was Opening Day 1994 in Miami (I remember the infield dirt was still down), and My GAWD was that a freakin' track meet!!!
BTW Rey, you guys won that game 39-35?? I think.
thats right! you got better memory than i do buddy.......I remember it well. It was Opening Day 1994 in Miami (I remember the infield dirt was still down), and My GAWD was that a freakin' track meet!!!
BTW Rey, you guys won that game 39-35?? I think.
...."can't make money without spending money" I guess. HUGE risk indeed. But that is why you play the game. It is not decided on paper. I will rip the trade if it does not pan out. For now, I will drink the Kool-aid...
McFadden has yet to play a full season in his career, including missing games last year...
As I said, this is very subjective. There is no right or wrong answer here...only questions that remain to be answered.
Will Seymour be one of the top players in the league the for another two years? Maybe. Maybe not. Time will tell.
The Raiders do have a lot of young players. Are they GOOD young players? Maybe. Maybe not. Time will tell.
Sure, McFadden is healthy right now...but he does have a history of injury. Will he STAY healthy for any length of time? Maybe. Maybe not. Time will tell.
Will 3rd to 5th round draft picks be able to make up for missing higher round draft picks? A BIG maybe.
Terrell Pryor growing into another version of Campbell? Oh boy...I suppose anything is possible. But I'll believe it when I see it. Some dude here GUARANTEED about a year ago that Pryor would never even make it into the NFL as a backup QB.
Can Pryor be a starter? Another HUGE maybe!
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i also remember that was the season after he tore his achilles against cleveland. no one thought he could come back from that injury but once again he shut up the critics. 1993 miami was one of the favorites to make it to the superbowl having reached the afc championship game which we hosted here in 1992. i believe miami had the best record in the afc that year (1992). not sure. we could've won that game against the bills but our diva wr mark clayton got into some kind of argument with shula that week. he decides to get his revenge by dropping most of the passes going his wayI remember it well. It was Opening Day 1994 in Miami (I remember the infield dirt was still down), and My GAWD was that a freakin' track meet!!!
BTW Rey, you guys won that game 39-35?? I think.
. he was released the following season but the damage was done. it almost seems like it wasn't meant to be for marino. the 93 team was so good on both sides of the ball that the fins reached the playoffs with old man deberg at QB lol........
The Broncos are suddenly looking like they didn't get much value for Brandon Lloyd. You know, with multiple first round draft picks being thrown around, you'd think the Horses would be able to get more than just a measly 6th round pick for their blue-chip WR.
Really sad to see what's happened to Miami.
Up until 2004, they were a consistent threat more often than not.
Miss the days when, growing up in Buffalo, the Dolphins were a team you respected and feared.
Up until 2004, they were a consistent threat more often than not.
Miss the days when, growing up in Buffalo, the Dolphins were a team you respected and feared.
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