I notice in the dbstalk website you can't talk about "moving" but you can here.

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if it violated the terms of your agreement, how can it be considered legal?
Please show me a written law here in the USA that says violating your user agreement with any company if a violation of the law. While you could be liable in Civil courts, honestly the worst thing a company can really do to you is terminate your service. But I don't think they will since I have seen DISH employees (including the CEO) to move to get the channels they wanted.
 
I will have violated our agreement, but I have not done anything illegal.
I still think that dancing around the issue by saying "it's not illegal" is lame. Otherwise, it's condoning breaking the provider's rules.

I can find (vague) references to "theft of service" related to cable TV (obviously they paid lobbyists big money to get these in place) but nothing regarding satellite TV. If it is only specific to cable TV, then account stacking with D* or E* should be okay to discuss. After all, it's not illegal.
 
Actually account stacking would be a violation of federal copyright law, thus illegal. But there is no law on the books that saying "moving" to see a channel that's not available in your town is illegal.
 
Actually account stacking would be a violation of federal copyright law, thus illegal. But there is no law on the books that saying "moving" to see a channel that's not available in your town is illegal.
Unless there is a law about lying about your address?
But it's not for financial gain, so I'm not sure?
 
Broe67, juan,
None of our post have ANYTHING to do with D* and moving locals.
If ya all want to discuss it further I would suggest finding a different thread.
Yes I got a bit carried away..I was talking about the affect on the other site and never meant to offend you or the service you provide to the members of this forum..peace
 
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Please show me a written law here in the USA that says violating your user agreement with any company if a violation of the law. While you could be liable in Civil courts, honestly the worst thing a company can really do to you is terminate your service. But I don't think they will since I have seen DISH employees (including the CEO) to move to get the channels they wanted.
Haha. Really? I mean, it makes sense, but it's just funny to think about.
 
Because you need to let Directv know EXACTLY where the receivers are located so you get the correct local channels. They are not allowed to provide locals that are not in your DMA unless: They are significantly viewed ones, or you have an waiver for the reception of distant nets. It may not be "illegal" like Scott G. says but it's against FCC rules and you could and should be shut down if you give Directv a phony address for different locals or RSN's. If you want another markets locals rather than your own, simple pack up the dish, receiver and your belongings and physically move to a new home, pretty easy isn't it. Both providers need to clamp down on this sort of dishonest activity as it deprives the local station of advertising revenue in YOUR DMA not some other market. Spotbeams help that a bit by limiting choices to a few hundred miles of said "moved" to market.

Why should I care about the advertising revenue of my local affiliates? What does that do for me?

I watch next to nothing on OTA TV networks besides sports and a small handful of primetime shows on CBS and an even smaller handful on Fox. I live in a border area. On cable, I get Buffalo locals only with my cable box, which is what I’m ‘legally’ only allowed to receive. Since my local cable headed serves a handful of rural towns in the next county that qualifies for two sets of locals, subscribers in those towns get both Buffalo and Rochester on their cable boxes, but I can get Rochester locals as well if I hook a coax line directly to the TV via unencrypted QAM. But that’s too messy for me.

For DirecTV, years ago one day I went on Google Maps, found a random plot of open land in an area that qualified for Rochester locals, got an address, called up DirecTV and lied to the CSR and had them change my service address. Do I lose sleep over it, hell no! In November, when I needed my dishes realigned, I called up DirecTV, had them change my service address back to my real address so the tech would be dispatched to the right location, and six months later I am still receiving my ‘moved’ locals, while both my billing and service addresses and 100% correct. Go figure. Saves me the phone call from ‘moving’ back.

Here’s the thing. I don’t want my content to be interrupted by local broadcasters. This past Sunday night was a prime example. I’m watching The Simpson’s on WUTV Fox Buffalo on cable and in the middle of the second to last commercial break WUTV starts experiencing technical difficulties goes to a black screen, goes to the colored bars. So I switch over to DirecTV and watch the last 10 minutes on WUHF Fox Rochester. A few years ago, some whackjob held a few people hostage on one of the local interstates, all of the local media was covering it and doing what they do best, rehash and repeat the same information over and over and over. They continued coverage into primetime. I switched over to DirecTV to watch Big Bang Theory on WROC CBS Rochester. 20+ years ago when ABC/ESPN had NASCAR for the first go around, every year our local ABC affiliate would preempt one of the races for a local telethon. I had a cheap set of rabbit ears that I would dangle out the window in order to pick up a fuzzy WOKR 13 from Roc. The local chicken little media also likes to overhype storms and had preempted programming or did JIP for winter weather. ABC in Rochester also shows the Yankees games that are on WWOR in NYC, we don't get those games in Buffalo.

Like I said, I don’t watch much local TV at all, because quite frankly there is nothing much worth watching on the over the air networks, but the content I do watch, I want it to be there. Also, while I generally don’t care for local news and hardly ever watch it, for three years I used to work three to four days a week in the greater Rochester/Finger Lakes area and it was nice to be able to flip on DirecTV and tune to my illegally received, terms of service breaking, lying, dishonest, yada yada yada ‘moved’ locals to see what I would be in store for the next day.

I’m not trying to justify anything, because I do not care at all about breaking a company’s terms of service. I will do it with a smile on my face. Breaking a companies TOS means just about as much to me as violating that farce called the Digital Millennium Copy Right Act. I just don’t care. I’m sure I broke Apple’s terms of service many times everytime I jailbroke an iPhone when I used to have one.
 
eardemon - unfortunately it really does not matter wnat you think. The affiliates have contracts with the networks that makes them the exclusive distributor of the network programming in their DMA. The advertising rates they get are based on the size of their market. If people routinely watched programming from another DMA. the ad rates of the local affiliate would fall and this would play havoc with their business model.
Personally I believe the traditional business model is broken and this is why so many stations are demaning "retransmission fees" from the satellite and cable companies.
Without the ad and fee revenue, the station would reduce or abandon its local news and sports programming and eventually go out of business.
You might be happy with that, but many people would not be. And of course the sat companies rely on the DMA system in order to be able to use spotbeams. Without that capability, there would be very few sat locals at all because of bandwidth limitations. So just because you can get away with "moving" does not mean its a good idea.
 
I wonder if we might be better served if all the locals coast to coast were O&O by their respective Network.
 
eardemon - unfortunately it really does not matter wnat you think. The affiliates have contracts with the networks that makes them the exclusive distributor of the network programming in their DMA. The advertising rates they get are based on the size of their market. If people routinely watched programming from another DMA. the ad rates of the local affiliate would fall and this would play havoc with their business model.
Personally I believe the traditional business model is broken and this is why so many stations are demaning "retransmission fees" from the satellite and cable companies.
Without the ad and fee revenue, the station would reduce or abandon its local news and sports programming and eventually go out of business.
You might be happy with that, but many people would not be. And of course the sat companies rely on the DMA system in order to be able to use spotbeams. Without that capability, there would be very few sat locals at all because of bandwidth limitations. So just because you can get away with "moving" does not mean its a good idea.

I don’t care. I just don’t care. I don’t care about their advertisers, I don’t care about their contracts. That stuff means absolutely nothing to me. What means something to me is being able to watch the shows I enjoy without useless interruptions for ‘breaking news’ and such. It’s not my job or worry to keep my local channels in business. I will continue to do what I want, and get away with what I can get away with.

Besides like I said, I’m not even really ‘moved’ any more, it’s just my locals were never switched. So my local affiliates are again getting their undeserving cut from me.
 
I don’t care. I just don’t care. I don’t care about their advertisers, I don’t care about their contracts. That stuff means absolutely nothing to me. What means something to me is being able to watch the shows I enjoy without useless interruptions for ‘breaking news’ and such. It’s not my job or worry to keep my local channels in business. I will continue to do what I want, and get away with what I can get away with.

Besides like I said, I’m not even really ‘moved’ any more, it’s just my locals were never switched. So my local affiliates are again getting their undeserving cut from me.
As a tornado hits his area and he doesn't know about it because he refuses to have an interruption for a weather crawl on the screen ... :( ...

I hate the weather crawls too, let us know whats going on and then go back to your normal programming ... around here they will often stay with them all night.
 
But I don't think they will since I have seen DISH employees (including the CEO) to move to get the channels they wanted.

so true Scott
I remember a few years ago I was asking in the Dish forum about getting set up on a "moved" account and had NO issues setting up the account at all. The rep who helped me knew what I was doing ;)
 
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lets take this from another perspective. I've seen posts about ads and folks wanting your eyeballs. Let me explain my market
Minneapolis, MN runs from the Iowa border almost to Canada. Outside of the Minneapolis proper the networks use satellite stations and translators for over the air if they even offer it. I am 100 miles from Minneapolis (Bemidji is over 200 yet is still in the market). The commercials are all from Minneapolis. I don't think if I have a inkling to buy a new car I'm going to "Morries Mazda" in the suburbs. I know Curtis Walker is a great bankruptcy lawyer but I'm sure I can save a 100 mile drive to Minneapolis and use someone a little more local.

Also where is the cutoff for a market? My town is closer to Duluth than Minneapolis yet because Brainerd (the biggest town in the area) is in Mpls market I guess we are lumped in (we are in different counties)
 
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