Rumor Alert

[goaliebob99]

you did day it was coming to directv soon.

As well as the rest of the internet! The other site has been talking about Swanni's article. I have to agree with them, Swanni completely got this wrong. Just because a channel is up in test does not give the advantage to Pac12, nor did PAC12 ever have the advantage. It's quite clear the Pac12 was banking on ATT and had problems with DirecTV. Once ATT took over, it became apparent that the real problem was with PAC12 and not DirecTV or ATT.

PAC12 got really greedy according to reports funneled through the media and it's very easy so see why the people at DirecTV did not like the people over at PAC12 when the PAC12 was doing everything in their power to screw over DirecTV subs by asking for more. Basically ATT and DirecTV should have offered the same deal as BTN and SEC / Longhorn and nothing more as a final offer deal. If they were able to negotiate a better deal for subs at a lower price due to having more subs, then that's great! If PAC 12 didn't like the deal that the same industry partners such as BTN / Fox, and ESPN / SEC & Longhorn are happy with, then too bad so sad. That's what you get either agree to it or loose ad revenue and eyeballs.

PAC 12 should be much happier having eyeballs than not having them and can make up the difference in advertising revenue or perhaps asking for a bit more on a tiered basis upon hitting contingent marks of viewership and years. If the network can prove that they are a powerhouse network like the SEC and BTN then they can get tiered into that later.

With the PAC12 now missing the opening weekend of Collage football that really puts the pressure on PAC12 and not DirecTV. Pac12 was the one posting on twitter that they had hoped to be live by Sep 3. It appears that DirecTV was willing to meet PAC12 halfway by up linking the channel in a test status. To me this shows that they were working together and then once PAC 12 got word, they decided to ask for more which is totally not in good faith.

Honestly after this whole brewhaha, why would anyone want to negotiate with the PAC12 network. Honestly, We all know that this wont happen, but PAC 12 should have agreed for DirecTV to launch the channel on a gentlemen's handshake and continued negotiations until they could reach an agreement based upon the fact that the contract would have been prorated back to the launch date. I dont see this as any harm for anyone and is a win for consumers and a win for everyone involved.

If that would have happened these conversations would not have been happening and all of the PAC12's dirty laundry would not be open in the air.

 

[Mauiguy]

The Pac 12 won't be shoved down anybodys throat ... If you don't want to deal with it, don't turn the channel on and it won't show up on your TV.

I will not watch it but the point is that i will probably have to pay for it just because Hawaii will be considered in their territory...But then maybe, just maybe they will make everybody pay for it. But i somehow doubt it...

 

[Jimbo]

I will not watch it but the point is that i will probably have to pay for it just because Hawaii will be considered in their territory...But then maybe, just maybe they will make everybody pay for it. But i somehow doubt it...

You pay for it is it's in your RSN designated area, unless your package doesn't have RSN's in it.
Why would you think you would Not pay for it if your local team is in that conference.

I don't like paying the $3+ for my RSN either, but I have no way around it.

In the Big Ten area, my team is only on a BTN game list twice a year, the rest are on national channels, but I still have to pay for them.

 

[Mauiguy]

You pay for it is it's in your RSN designated area, unless your package doesn't have RSN's in it.
Why would you think you would Not pay for it if your local team is in that conference.

I don't like paying the $3+ for my RSN either, but I have no way around it.

In the Big Ten area, my team is only on a BTN game list twice a year, the rest are on national channels, but I still have to pay for them.

I understand. but that does not mean i have to like it. You are the person who said it was not being shoved down my throat. if i do not want it, but am forced to pay for it, then it is being shoved.

It is just one of those things. I fully get it, but because i get it does not mean i have to lay down and like it with out saying anything....

 

[sum_random_dork]

I am confused here, people keep saying Pac12 changed their demands. Where has that been said? Can someone share a link to a report that says that? Seems to me Pac12 cost is set in market and out of market. I believe in what I have read the issue is more with DirecTV OTT rights and on-campus rights for media. I would also believe ATT is looking at their deal as a whole including UVerse.

ATT is in the market to make money that is also the directive given to the Pac12 network from the 12 school presidents....make money. So blaming one side or another really doesn't make sense since as far as I know nobody on here was in board room negotiating nor do we know where those meetings took place...Los Angeles, Walnut Creek, San Francisco, or ATT offices in Texas.

 

[Jimbo]

I understand. but that does not mean i have to like it. You are the person who said it was not being shoved down my throat. if i do not want it, but am forced to pay for it, then it is being shoved.

It is just one of those things. I fully get it, but because i get it does not mean i have to lay down and like it with out saying anything....

Sorry, mis communication ... Your saying its getting shoved down your throat because you still have to pay for it ... I was thinking you didn't want to have to hear about it.

Make no mistake, I don't know ANYONE that is Happy that it is now a charge on everyone bills.

 

[goaliebob99]

I am confused here, people keep saying Pac12 changed their demands. Where has that been said? Can someone share a link to a report that says that? Seems to me Pac12 cost is set in market and out of market. I believe in what I have read the issue is more with DirecTV OTT rights and on-campus rights for media. I would also believe ATT is looking at their deal as a whole including UVerse.

ATT is in the market to make money that is also the directive given to the Pac12 network from the 12 school presidents....make money. So blaming one side or another really doesn't make sense since as far as I know nobody on here was in board room negotiating nor do we know where those meetings took place...Los Angeles, Walnut Creek, San Francisco, or ATT offices in Texas.

It was coming from the USC board. This was the tweet that started to fuel that fire and some of the press picked up on it.

Jon replied to that tweet saying that the deal was not done, and done means done, which holds a bit of water to the original tweet. It seems like they were on the verge of getting the deal done or had a deal in principle and Scott ended up asking for more money not accepting anything they had in place.

 

[sum_random_dork]

It was coming from the USC board. This was the tweet that started to fuel that fire and some of the press picked up on it.

Jon replied to that tweet saying that the deal was not done, and done means done, which holds a bit of water to the original tweet. It seems like they were on the verge of getting the deal done or had a deal in principle and Scott ended up asking for more money not accepting anything they had in place.

Thanks....I was curious although that's still rumors just like on the other site people claiming one side or another still nothing from the Pac12 connected reporters or the mods on either board who seem to get fed info. More money could be because they wanted OTT rights as they look to take on Sling TV. The price is set by the market (TWC, Comcast, dish etc) so asking for more or less per channel doesn't seem to make sense, as Jon Wilner had eluded to last week ATT and Pac12 were looking at a larger encompassing deal that could include on-campus and OTT rights.

 

[Mauiguy]

Sorry, mis communication ... Your saying its getting shoved down your throat because you still have to pay for it ... I was thinking you didn't want to have to hear about it.

Make no mistake, I don't know ANYONE that is Happy that it is now a charge on everyone bills.

NO, being a fan of the SEC, I can fully understand why many folks want the PAC12. But we seem to be getting to a point where every little niche league is going to have a network that Directv seems to feel that we are going to love paying for.

 

[Jimbo]

NO, being a fan of the SEC, I can fully understand why many folks want the PAC12. But we seem to be getting to a point where every little niche league is going to have a network that Directv seems to feel that we are going to love paying for.

Directv has nothing to do with it, if the xoxo league is the new conference league and wants exposure they go with the channel providers that get you the exposure you desire .... appearantly they don't think being on D* is important enough to them or they would have signed an agreement by now ...

I think the BTN and SEC had contracts signed long before they day they went live ..... SEC was getting close but I think it was always gonna be there when time came ... I think it was just crossing the Ts and dotting the I s for them.

I have not seen what the Pac12 is asking that is the big hang up but I don't think they should be asking for more than.the BTN and the SEC is.

 

[sum_random_dork]

Directv has nothing to do with it, if the xoxo league is the new conference league and wants exposure they go with the channel providers that get you the exposure you desire .... appearantly they don't think being on D* is important enough to them or they would have signed an agreement by now ...

I think the BTN and SEC had contracts signed long before they day they went live ..... SEC was getting close but I think it was always gonna be there when time came ... I think it was just crossing the Ts and dotting the I s for them.

I have not seen what the Pac12 is asking that is the big hang up but I don't think they should be asking for more than.the BTN and the SEC is.

Looking at the site http://www.whatyoupayforsports.com/numbers/ they say $.39 for both Pac 12 and BTN but then note in market BTN is estimated to receive $1 and SEC more than that. I have seen some numbers stating Pac12 could be in the $.20 or less out of market. Obviously we don't know how true those #s are but they seem pretty close to what I have read around the web in the last year or so. With my addition DirecTV would still be making $.20 or so in the Nor Cal market with their RSN surcharge even if Pac12 was added.

 

[dishcomm]

How "soon"......the other site is speculating "live feed on Saturday"......... what say you?????

See below...That's why I posted "soon"..This stuff happens all the time.

 

[harmlesslyfatal]

With the SEC Network though, it likely helped that Directv was already in negotiations with Disney at the time.

 

[Sparkman]

From Directv Twitter:

DIRECTVVerified account?@DIRECTV
@larsmith1 We're still talking with Pac-12 to reach an agreement. Once we have more info our customers will be the first to know.

 

[sum_random_dork]

Jon Wilner posted an update on the negotiations-gist of the article it's a much larger negotiation ATT is looking for an ownership % in Pac12 Networks in return for carrying the channel(s), that would mean possibly looking at the deals with the other major players Comcast, TWC, and Dish. That helps explain why the delays, why things could change and also shows why we shouldn't believe rumors one person or another says on Twitter about they heard this party walked away from talks or asked for more money after a deal was agreed to.

As confirmed by DirecTV both parties are still talking and trying to reach a deal.

 

[tco0085]

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/colleg...-update-on-negotiations-with-directv-and-att/

 

[goaliebob99]

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/colleg...-update-on-negotiations-with-directv-and-att/

This is smart for ATT. It gives them a return on investment for when the network does take off. Basically as I read it, PAC12 lost revenue by not having DirecTV on board initially and are basically giving the schools 1 million each (Chump change when compared to other networks such as BTN and SEC give to their schools.) This is due to the decreased revenue from not having DirecTV's eyeballs. This lead to a decreased advertising rates as they couldn't bring the amount of subs they hoped to, to the table.

Now comes ATT into the picture. I am assuming that they want the same deal that Fox/BTN and ESPN/SEC have.

50 percent ownership and increased campus exposure with a reduced rate for DTV and Uverse subs. The issue the PAC12 had is that the reduced rate would screw up everyone else's favored nation clause and what ever that rate is, they would have to reduce everyone else down to it or renegotiate.

I like what ATT's doing while it may take it a while longer for the carriage to take place if they get this deal in place but in the end it would be helpful to everyone and PAC12 would be able to then play catchup to the other networks.

What's funny is that this is contradictory to what everyone thought a few days ago based upon the reports that a deal was close if not done. Much more involved than what anyone initially thought. I like the deal though if this turns out to be the case.

 

[goaliebob99]

Jon Wilner posted an update on the negotiations-gist of the article it's a much larger negotiation ATT is looking for an ownership % in Pac12 Networks in return for carrying the channel(s), that would mean possibly looking at the deals with the other major players Comcast, TWC, and Dish. That helps explain why the delays, why things could change and also shows why we shouldn't believe rumors one person or another says on Twitter about they heard this party walked away from talks or asked for more money after a deal was agreed to.

As confirmed by DirecTV both parties are still talking and trying to reach a deal.

Yea I just saw that.. Very smart for ATT. I think a large part of this whole brewhahah is that consumers are left in the dark without any updates or any idea why they cant get the programming they want. No real updates other than through a few people who are in the know. I really wish they would have put out something or did what I mentioned earlier is a prorated agreement. But in a way that would have put more pressure on ATT. I wish they would have started on this 6 months ago but with how long it took to get the merger done, ATT didnt have much time until football started.

 

[Sparkman]

Looks like it's a no go for now.

http://awfulannouncing.com/2015/tal...-between-at-no-pac-12-networks-on-dtv-for-now

 

[NoWhrMn]

That is exceptionally disappointing.