What is needed to swap 4K Joey for second (owned) H3?

[HipKat]

So I need to replace my hybrid LNB with a DPP 1000.2 LNB in addition to the DP42 switch and the hybrid duo hub? That's probably what I had before they replaced it when I got my H3? Assuming that LNB will work with my existing dish? Diagnostics says Hybrid EA.2.

Exactly. A Single Hopper 3 (or any recently installed Hopper or 2 Hopper w/Slings) would have been installed with a Hybrid LNBF. BUT, A Hopper 3 (And a Hopper Duo) when plugged into power, disables the 2nd Output ono the Hybrid LNB. That's why you need to have a DPP so that all 3 Sats (2 for EA) are represented to the 42 Switch, which will combine the signals from the LNB and push them through both Outputs on the switch.

 

[ethanlerma]

Let me share some advice I got when I first came here. You're new here, don't step on toes.

I appreciate the advice. And understand what you mean, will try not to overstep my bounds.

However, I am stubborn. Wont recommend/advocate that setup anymore, since I am basing myself on theory, instead of actual experience mixing specifically a DPH42+Hybrid LNB. Pretty dumb of me in retrospect. But as soon as I can mount a tripod/change out my LNB I'm going to try it anyway. And if I am wrong, ill be the first to admit it. Not only because its the right thing to do, but I will find the result interesting anyhow, since that would mean that a Hybrid LNB is DP/DPP compatible unless its specifically feeding a DPH42.

 

[david_jr]

Exactly. A Single Hopper 3 (or any recently installed Hopper or 2 Hopper w/Slings) would have been installed with a Hybrid LNBF. BUT, A Hopper 3 (And a Hopper Duo) when plugged into power, disables the 2nd Output ono the Hybrid LNB. That's why you need to have a DPP so that all 3 Sats (2 for EA) are represented to the 42 Switch, which will combine the signals from the LNB and push them through both Outputs on the switch.

Thanks HipKat for that excellent explanation. I will order the proper equipment and let you know how it goes. I started this project in hopes of upgrading to 2 H3's because I miss so much the swap/PIP that does not work on the 4KJ in the Master Bedroom whereas I had a HWS there previously. I also had read that Dish was going to reduce the fee for a second owned H3 to $7, which I understand, now that I have invested significant dollars, that is only the case if you own BOTH H3's. So again thanks for the input and for the valuable insight you offer to many of the DIYers here. Installed my first dish in April 97 when we were hitting just 110. That was a breeze!! The new stuff - very complicated.

 

[HipKat]

Thanks HipKat for that excellent explanation. I will order the proper equipment and let you know how it goes. I started this project in hopes of upgrading to 2 H3's because I miss so much the swap/PIP that does not work on the 4KJ in the Master Bedroom whereas I had a HWS there previously. I also had read that Dish was going to reduce the fee for a second owned H3 to $7, which I understand, now that I have invested significant dollars, that is only the case if you own BOTH H3's. So again thanks for the input and for the valuable insight you offer to many of the DIYers here. Installed my first dish in April 97 when we were hitting just 110. That was a breeze!! The new stuff - very complicated.

Yeah, that it is! And getting more so all the time.

 

[david_jr]

10002 EA LNBF and DPH42 Switch ordered. Should have by weekend or early next week according to shipping estimates.

 

[Lucabratsi]

I'm going to keep insisting, a EA Hybrid LNB should work fine. If you want to play it safe/do it "by the book", then you should be able to get a DPP LNB on ebay for a decent price anyway.

If you still have it laying around and its a twin-eyed LNB that says DPP somewhere on the enclosure, then yes. You would of also had a node (White labeled box) instead of a solo hub.

Assuming you have a standard, non-modified dish, then you have a 1000.2. Which will accept any 1000.2 LNB. Only issue may be the yoke, the most recent version of the Hybrid (know as the slimline) has a different yoke to early Hybrid LNB's, so you may or may not need a new yoke if you go for the LNB change.

Bonus: Added a modified version of a diagram found in the DPH manual. Just for reference.

Hello,
I too want the full functionality of multiple H3's. The Joeys just dont cut it. I see there are many setup schematics on how to do this. My question is how are you able to activate the second or third H3?
All the best,

 

[Bobby]

You can do two H3s but not three... and, you have to purchase the second one in order to get it activated.

 

[ethanlerma]

Hello,
I too want the full functionality of multiple H3's. The Joeys just dont cut it. I see there are many setup schematics on how to do this. My question is how are you able to activate the second or third H3?
All the best,

Once you have the equipment, it’s easy to call and have Dish activate it. However, if you want them to install it/provide the second H3 (Third is not possible unless you are a business, and even then it’s difficult) then it becomes a lot more troublesome.

 

[Lucabratsi]

You can do two H3s but not three... and, you have to purchase the second one in order to get it activated.

Thanks for the reply. I just got off the phone with Dish. Techs say sure, you can do 4 H3's easy with two DP44's, two Duo Nodes. Retention specialist says they wont activate even a second H3. I have been setting up my own dish installs since back in the late 1990"s. I have a supervisor calling me back. Does anyone know why Dish would limit the potential of one of the best DVR's to just one? (or as you say two)
Here is the 4 Hopper setup attached. This should work for 4 H3's?
All the best,

 

[TheKrell]

Here is the 4 Hopper setup attached. This should work for 4 H3's?

I don't believe so. That diagram applies to earlier Hoppers and not the H3. I think what you would need is either two dishes, or a single dish with all DishPro duals feeding two DPH42's each of which feed two H3's. So IMHO it's technically feasible, but I have no idea if Dish will do that on one account. They should see dollars before their eyes when they see you coming, and approve it immediately.

 

[Lucabratsi]

I don't believe so. That diagram applies to earlier Hoppers and not the H3. I think what you would need is either two dishes, or a single dish with all DishPro duals feeding two DPH42's each of which feed two H3's. So IMHO it's technically feasible, but I have no idea if Dish will do that on one account. They should see dollars before their eyes when they see you coming, and approve it immediately.

Hello, Thanks for the reply. OK, that makes sense. Does anyone have the setup schematic for two H3's and two Joeys?
Appreciate.
All the best,
D

 

[ethanlerma]

Hello, Thanks for the reply. OK, that makes sense. Does anyone have the setup schematic for two H3's and two Joeys?
Appreciate.
All the best,
D

Something like this. You would use a DPH42 switch instead of a DPP44

(Had nothing to do, so I added a few colors to the chart, if anyone has any ideas of what else I could add let me know)

 

[charlesrshell]

Hello, Thanks for the reply. OK, that makes sense. Does anyone have the setup schematic for two H3's and two Joeys?
Appreciate.
All the best,
D

Here is a diagram of my 2 Hopper 3s, 2 4KJs. Also have 2 WJs.

 

[Bobby]

Here is a diagram of my 2 Hopper 3s, 2 4KJs. Also have 2 WJs.

Charles, I note that your diagram shows a hub rather than a node. You might want to fix that.

 

[charlesrshell]

Charles, I note that your diagram shows a hub rather than a node. You might want to fix that.

It is a Duo Hub. I don't think a Node will work with a DPH 42 switch.

 

[charlesrshell]

Charles, I note that your diagram shows a hub rather than a node. You might want to fix that.

See if you can enlarge Bobby. It is a Duo Hub.

 

[ethanlerma]

Yep, Hub is DPH and Node is DPX

 

[TheKrell]

Something like this. You would use a DPH42 switch instead of a DPP44

Well that statement is confusing! Your diagram already shows a DPH42. Plus that only gives him 2 H3's, not 4 as he wants.

Here is a diagram of my 2 Hopper 3s, 2 4KJs. Also have 2 WJs.

Again, that only gives him 2 H3's. Am I in the wrong thread or something?

 

[ethanlerma]

Well that statement is confusing! Your diagram already shows a DPH42. Plus that only gives him 2 H3's, not 4 as he wants.

His original statement/diagram had a DPP44.
Then there is this:

Hello, Thanks for the reply. OK, that makes sense. Does anyone have the setup schematic for two H3's and two Joeys?

 

[Bobby]

It is a Duo Hub. I don't think a Node will work with a DPH 42 switch.

I knew I had made an error in what I saw and I thought I deleted that post immediately after I posted it. Obviously not!