DIRECTV unlikely to keep NFL Sunday Ticket

[Bruce]

Maybe, maybe not. The transition from linear channel cable bundles to direct-to-consumer streaming apps may take longer than I currently think. But it'll happen. It's already begun and things keep moving further in that direction.

…and faster then most thought, who would of thought just two years ago that every NFL, MLB, NHL,NBA Games would be streaming next year in one form or another.

By next year, I would be able to get every NFL, NHL and MLB games ( hate watching Basketball)via streaming if I wish or local NFL games on Fox via OTA ( local MLB/NHL would be available on Bally’s paid app, but I care nothing about Florida sports teams).

And now the big College sports are making the move, I give it 3 years at the most for all of College Basketball and Football to be available streaming, specially since all of TV Broadcasters that have the rights to air also have streaming services, Fox is the only outlier, but in 3 years they will have a paid service of some kind, maybe Tubi will become a paid app ( and a rename).

 

[Juan]

In MLS, it’s a single entity… the league owns all of the teams. Investor/operators own the league and run a team.

But, to the point… the MLS/Apple deal is likely to be a model for other leagues assuming the RSN model devolves. One stop for all of the league’s games. The biggest obstacle for other leagues is likely current deals between teams and RSNs, some of which are reportedly pretty long.

Doubt it very much..baseball team owners control their own broadcast rights...NFL is good for another 10 years

 

[Bruce]

Doubt it very much..baseball team owners control their own broadcast rights...NFL is good for another 10 years

MLB seems to have 2 different Broadcast rights, the local markets and National (which would include the MLB Streaming service with no local games but all others).

And all those against Streaming keep forgetting contracts can be changed ( both parties have to agree or there are options in that contract to change by either/or parties).

Or, Contracts expire and new contract includes things that where not there before, for example, the new deal with the NFL and ESPN that allows ESPN+ to air MNF.

A little different topic, MLB teams are going to be in a world of hurt if Sinclair goes into Chapter 11, not getting paid for a time, stuck airing games on Bally’s, would probably get less money once the court rules and cannot leave the RSN until a Judge says they could.

And who will give them a better contract in today’s market if they could leave?

 

[Juan]

MLB seems to have 2 different Broadcast rights, the local markets and National (which would include the MLB Streaming service with no local games but all others).

And all those against Streaming keep forgetting contracts can be changed ( both parties have to agree or there are options in that contract to change by either/or parties).

Or, Contracts expire and new contract includes things that where not there before, for example, the new deal with the NFL and ESPN that allows ESPN+ to air MNF.

A little different topic, MLB teams are going to be in a world of hurt if Sinclair goes into Chapter 11, not getting paid for a time, stuck airing games on Bally’s, would probably get less money once the court rules and cannot leave the RSN until a Judge says they could.

And who will give them a better contract in today’s market if they could leave?

It won't be a single contract...it will be like what the yankees are doing

 

[NashGuy]

Or, Contracts expire and new contract includes things that where not there before, for example, the new deal with the NFL and ESPN that allows ESPN+ to air MNF.

A little different topic, MLB teams are going to be in a world of hurt if Sinclair goes into Chapter 11, not getting paid for a time, stuck airing games on Bally’s, would probably get less money once the court rules and cannot leave the RSN until a Judge says they could.

And who will give them a better contract in today’s market if they could leave?

Yeah, the new NFL contracts that go through 2032 or '33 all seem to include both traditional and DTC streaming rights: CBS/Paramount+, Fox/Tubi, NBC/Peacock, ESPN/ESPN+ (and/or, I would guess, Disney+ if they opt for that).

As for Sinclair's RSNs, yeah, could get messy. I don't think any one is going to buy those channels with their current contracts because the existing RSN model is broken -- cable subs declining and several packages (e.g. DISH, YTTV, Hulu Live, etc.) excluding them completely. And it remains to be seen how much revenue the DTC app approach can generate. Meanwhile, we know that MLB has been talking about launching their own DTC streaming app for in-market games, which I'd say has hampered Sinclair's ability to line up more than 5 teams so far for theirs.

So again, seems most likely that MLB, along with NBA and NHL, just somehow end up taking over the business Sinclair has but then add DTC streaming to it. But it might be a bumpy ride getting there if Sinclair's Diamond Sports has to file for bankruptcy first.

 

[TheRatPatrol]

No comment from you about ESPN+ having Monday Night Football?

Remember this-

Go to ESPN.com, look at schedule for plus, you will be surprised.

Juan is actually the one who posted the link that it would be on ESPN+.


from the link-

ESPN will continue to be the home of Monday Night Football, while ESPN+ subscribers can stream one International Series contest on an exclusive national basis each season. ESPN can also simulcast all ABC and ESPN games on ESPN+.

Once I read that, I went to ESPN and checked the schedule, every game for September is listed for ESPN+ ( too soon for October’s schedule ).

You still need to link a cable/satellite/streaming service provider to watch ABC and MNF/ESPN linear channel content on ESPN+.

 

[slice1900]

And now the big College sports are making the move, I give it 3 years at the most for all of College Basketball and Football to be available streaming, specially since all of TV Broadcasters that have the rights to air also have streaming services, Fox is the only outlier, but in 3 years they will have a paid service of some kind, maybe Tubi will become a paid app ( and a rename).

It won't happen anywhere near that quick. Two of the three OTA networks in the Big Ten's new deal will apparently mirror those broadcasts on streaming, we'll have to see about Fox. Most of the Big Ten's basketball is on BTN, which is not available via streaming (BTN+ only carries stuff not on the BTN channel)

ESPN is not going to stream everything on the ESPN channels on ESPN+, they know that would destroy their revenue by making it much easier for sports fans to cut the cord. They will be the last holdout, dragged kicking and screaming into that future. I think we're looking at at least the end of the decade before we get to where you think we'll be soon.

 

[Bruce]

You still need to link a cable/satellite/streaming service provider to watch ABC and MNF/ESPN linear channel content on ESPN+.

I believe you are thinking of ESPN 3

From this link-

ESPN will continue to be the home of Monday Night Football, while ESPN+ subscribers can stream one International Series contest on an exclusive national basis each season. ESPN can also simulcast all ABC and ESPN games on ESPN+.

NFL announces new broadcast deals running through 2033 season

The NFL announced Thursday it has signed long-term agreements with media partners Amazon, CBS, ABC/ESPN, FOX and NBC to distribute NFL games across television and digital platforms, along with additional media rights.

www.nfl.com

Says nothing about what you posted, this is a new contract, also from the link-

The agreements will commence at the start of the 2023 season and run through the 2033 season, broadening the league's digital football to a larger audience while preserving its custom of keeping all NFL contests on over-the-air-television.

If you go to the schedule on ESPN, it shows the lock symbol for ESPN 3 and it show ESPN+.

 

[Bruce]

It won't happen anywhere near that quick. Two of the three OTA networks in the Big Ten's new deal will apparently mirror those broadcasts on streaming, we'll have to see about Fox. Most of the Big Ten's basketball is on BTN, which is not available via streaming (BTN+ only carries stuff not on the BTN channel)

ESPN is not going to stream everything on the ESPN channels on ESPN+, they know that would destroy their revenue by making it much easier for sports fans to cut the cord. They will be the last holdout, dragged kicking and screaming into that future. I think we're looking at at least the end of the decade before we get to where you think we'll be soon.

Never wrote exclusive to streaming, they will air it on both, streaming to make up some of the per sub fees they have lost with roughly 30 million Live TV Subs leaving ( and with 2 million more leaving every quarter ), also they will continue to air on Live TV to get the revenue from the per sub fees they have left.

 

[Juan]

You still need to link a cable/satellite/streaming service provider to watch ABC and MNF/ESPN linear channel content on ESPN+.

Shhhhh

 

[Juan]

Never wrote exclusive to streaming, they will air it on both, streaming to make up some of the per sub fees they have lost with roughly 30 million Live TV Subs leaving ( and with 2 million more leaving every quarter ), also they will continue to air on Live TV to get the revenue from the per sub fees they have left.

Football has been streaming for atleast 5+ years... nothing to get all giddy about in the new contract...other than OTA lives on atleast 10 years

 

[Bruce]

Football has been streaming for atleast 5+ years... nothing to get all giddy about in the new contract...other than OTA lives on atleast 10 years

We are talking about College Football and the Major Teams primary played on OTA, Cable and TV Everywhere apps, now they are making the move, like the NFL, to streaming.

And it will happen fast, no one thought, myself included, that the NFL would make such a move so fast, every game next year will be streaming to a mass audience, just two years ago, hardly at all.

Channels that hold the rights and the NCAA see streaming gold in those mountains.

 

[Juan]

We are talking about College Football and the Major Teams primary played on OTA, Cable and TV Everywhere apps, now they are making the move, like the NFL, to streaming.

And it will happen fast, no one thought, myself included, that the NFL would make such a move so fast, every game next year will be streaming to a mass audience, just two years ago, hardly at all.

Channels that hold the rights and the NCAA see streaming gold in those mountains.

NFL has been streaming for years

 

[SamCdbs]

Baseball is a different issue from ST, but the RSN model does have problems which I cannot see a way out of.

One issue is that the local rights are a crazy quilt of overlapping and often idiotic claims to be the "home team" in places where no one with any knowledge of the sport would think that said team was local. The owners all mis-trust one another so much, they haven't worked out this issue in 50 years.

A DTC model only makes this worse.

Another thing to remember is that nationalizing local productions, which is what mlbei and mlb.tv do is a very different thing from producing the games in the first place. Much more expensive.

Baseball is making the same mistake it made with the Braves, Cubs, et al in the 80s. It is becoming easier to follow any team you want. Except your own. That cannot be. mlbei et al were supposed to be for gamblers and the odd ball displaced fan.

 

[Bruce]

NFL has been streaming for years

In a limited form, TV Everywhere or ST to a limited group of subscribers is not the same as they are about to do.

Next year will be the first time that you do not need to be a Live TV Subscriber to get all the games.

Peacock/NBC OTA-Sunday Night Football
CBS OTA/Paramount+-AFC
FOX OTA-NFC
PRIME-TNF
ESPN+-MNF

And then NFLST on Apple/Amazon

2-3 years ago, no one thought this would happen, 3 years ago people thought DirecTV was going to keep ST as a exclusive, look at the beginning of this thread.

College Football will be doing the same thing, Channels that carry them ( have the rights) have lost too much in per sub fees, no choice, BIG TEN is just the first.

 

[Bruce]

Baseball is a different issue from ST, but the RSN model does have problems which I cannot see a way out of.

RSN are just *******, even when we are streaming only, they will never attract that many customers that will justify the high prices teams get now, based on the everybody pays per sub fees model.

I already pointed out that the Yankees only average 400,000 viewers per night on Yes, New York City Metro area is over 19 million.

Baseball is making the same mistake it made with the Braves, Cubs, et al in the 80s. It is becoming easier to follow any team you want. Except your own.

Detroit Tigers are the team I wish to follow, so I am glad to follow any team I want.

Lived in Metro Detroit Area for 53 years ( except for 3 years in the Army) and now only 2 years in Florida, I have no desire to follow the teams here.

 

[Juan]

In a limited form, TV Everywhere or ST to a limited group of subscribers is not the same as they are about to do.

Next year will be the first time that you do not need to be a Live TV Subscriber to get all the games.

Peacock/NBC OTA-Sunday Night Football
CBS OTA/Paramount+-AFC
FOX OTA-NFC
PRIME-TNF
ESPN+-MNF

And then NFLST on Apple/Amazon

2-3 years ago, no one thought this would happen, 3 years ago people thought DirecTV was going to keep ST as a exclusive, look at the beginning of this thread.

College Football will be doing the same thing, Channels that carry them ( have the rights) have lost too much in per sub fees, no choice, BIG TEN is just the first.

Do you realize that verizon has been streaming local NFL games to phones for years? With no local cable or satellite login...the ONLY thing this ne NFL contract will do is allow more people to pay a much much much higher price to watch out of market games over the internet...not really that big a deal once they announce the price

 

[Bruce]

Do you realize that verizon has been streaming local NFL games to phones for years? With no local cable or satellite login...the ONLY thing this ne NFL contract will do is allow more people to pay a much much much higher price to watch out of market games over the internet...not really that big a deal once they announce the price

Again that was limited to Verizon subs and only local.

Now, every game is available to streaming, only one game per week is on Cable ( and available to both Cable and Streaming) or Broadcast (OTA, Cable and Streaming), the rest are streaming, some games are streaming only (Prime and one ESPN+ game) and a lot depending on where you live(NFLST).

This is a dramatic shift from just 2-3 years ago.

Imagine what it will be like in 5 years, after another 30-40 million, at least, have left Cable/Satellite TV.

College Football is next.

 

[SamCdbs]

RSN are just *******, even when we are streaming only, they will never attract that many customers that will justify the high prices teams get now, based on the everybody pays per sub fees model.

It is amazing how whatever you like or don't like is what everybody should do.

I already pointed out that the Yankees only average 400,000 viewers per night on Yes, New York City Metro area is over 19 million.

The local baseball team is generally the single highest rated show in a market, every night. Well worth the money.

Detroit Tigers are the team I wish to follow, so I am glad to follow any team I want.

Lived in Metro Detroit Area for 53 years ( except for 3 years in the Army) and now only 2 years in Florida, I have no desire to follow the teams here.

That is nice. But most Detroit fans live in, umm, Detroit. Where they cannot see the team on mlbei or mlb.tv. The system is broken when some guy in Florida has an easier time of watching a team in Michigan than a guy in Michigan does.

 

[SamCdbs]

In a limited form, TV Everywhere or ST to a limited group of subscribers is not the same as they are about to do.

Next year will be the first time that you do not need to be a Live TV Subscriber to get all the games.

Peacock/NBC OTA-Sunday Night Football
CBS OTA/Paramount+-AFC
FOX OTA-NFC
PRIME-TNF
ESPN+-MNF

Actually first year was the first year they broadcast TV. OTA got you, using your definition "all" the games. This would have continued until the first "cable" broadcast, which was, IIRC, SNF on TNT.

And CBS=AFC Fox=NFC has not been the case for years.

And, ESPN has the ALTERNATE cut up video of the Mannings watching the game, not the game.

College Football will be doing the same thing, Channels that carry them ( have the rights) have lost too much in per sub fees, no choice, BIG TEN is just the first.

No, it will all remain on linear TV. But you can watch Minnesota - Purdue or Ball State - Akron on streaming.