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BYD install in Europe
10-70% in 5 mins and 10-97% in 9 mins
Megawatt EV charging
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BYD install in Europe
10-70% in 5 mins and 10-97% in 9 mins
Yeah it's pretty wild, they announced these in China and a month later had 5,000 of them installed. Aiming for 20,000 by the end of the year.
Wonder what sized diesel generator it takes to run one of these chargers at capacity? Reason I ask... there are a few Tesla chargers in the area that have diesel generators connected... not enough capacity in the local distribution system to handle the extra load.
I think we have lots of power to run chargers, just the sub stations and power lines in remote areas where the chargers need to be located are already tapped out. They need to be upgraded. The power utility doesn't seem to have a plan for this, and no budget as far as I have heard.
I think we have lots of power to run chargers, just the sub stations and power lines in remote areas where the chargers need to be located are already tapped out. They need to be upgraded. The power utility doesn't seem to have a plan for this, and no budget as far as I have heard.
BYD's approach here is to store this energy ahead of time instead of pulling it from the grid in real time.
So in your example, the way they would solve that would be to have the energy storage capacity on site to meet a certain service level at peak times, and then replenish that storage slowly over time. When tapped out presumably it would default to a lower charging rate.
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As a temporary setup, here's Tesla essentially doing the same thing, just minus the innovations related to charging speed and the better architected cable distribution setup that BYD is making standard at an architectural levels across their sites. Tesla has optional megapack integration with their Superchargers, but those sites are exception not the rule.
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Their vertical integration would allow them the best chance to do it here since obviously we're not going to let BYD come in and do it. Tesla has no motivation to do this beyond their own platform's current capabilities though and they're currently committed to rolling out an inferior option to what BYD is installing. The V4 chargers Tesla are currently rolling out are 1/3 speed and peak power delivery of the BYD Flash Chargers to a consumer vehicle - and even then only the Cybertruck is able to charge at those speeds.
BYD is charging and delivering more power here than Tesla is even feeding their electrical Semis.
View: https://x.com/niccruzpatane/status/2043366329764495727?s=20
Their vertical integration would allow them the best chance to do it here since obviously we're not going to let BYD come in and do it. Tesla has no motivation to do this beyond their own platform's current capabilities though and they're currently committed to rolling out an inferior option to what BYD is installing. The V4 chargers Tesla are currently rolling out are 1/3 speed and peak power delivery of the BYD Flash Chargers to a consumer vehicle - and even then only the Cybertruck is able to charge at those speeds.
BYD is charging and delivering more power here than Tesla is even feeding their electrical Semis.
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Comparison via Claude, haven't dug too much into it yet to sus out any hallucinations:
Good addition to the comparison — the HYC1000 is probably the most relevant Western third-party competitor here.
Ranking on consumer charging speed:
Good addition to the comparison — the HYC1000 is probably the most relevant Western third-party competitor here.
Three-Way Charger Comparison
| Spec | Tesla V4 Cabinet | Alpitronic HYC1000 | BYD Flash Gen 2 |
|---|---|---|---|
| System total power | 1,200 kW | 1,000 kW | 1,500 kW |
| Max per stall (car, CCS) | 500 kW | 600 kW | 1,500 kW |
| Max per stall (truck/MCS) | 1,200 kW (Semi) | 1,000 kW (MCS, 1,500A) | N/A |
| Max current (car) | ~615A | 600A (oil-cooled) | 1,500A |
| Max current (truck/MCS) | N/A specified | 1,500A (oil-cooled) | N/A |
| Voltage range | 400–1,000V | 150–1,000V | 1,000V |
| Stalls per cabinet | 8 | 8 | 1 (dedicated) |
| Power granularity | ~125 kW | 62.5 kW | N/A (full power) |
| Efficiency | ~96% | >97.5% | Not published |
| Grid buffer/BESS | Optional (Megapack) | Optional | Built-in, required |
| Connector standards | NACS, CCS | CCS2, MCS | China GB/T |
| Open to all brands | Yes | Yes | Not yet |
| US availability | Yes (rolling out) | Pilot 2026, series 2027 | No |
Where the HYC1000 Fits
The Alpitronic actually beats Tesla on per-stall consumer output — the maximum for a single HYC1000 stall is over 500 kW, up to 600 amps at up to 1,000 volts Shell Recharge, vs. Tesla's 500 kW ceiling. That's a meaningful edge for third-party 800V vehicles like the Ioniq 6, Porsche Taycan, or Lucid models.
It also beats Tesla on efficiency — the SiC-Stack GEN2 modules hit over 97.5% efficiency Shell Recharge, slightly ahead of Tesla's V4. And the broader voltage range (150–1,000V) gives it more vehicle compatibility.
On the truck side, the MCS dispenser supports up to 1,500A oil-cooled Smart-mobility, meaning it's technically capable of higher current than Tesla's Semi setup — though cabinet power caps it at 1 MW total vs. Tesla's 1.2 MW.
Where it still loses to BYD:The HYC1000 is still a shared-pool system. The 1 MW total is shared between stalls with 62.5 kW granularity Shell Recharge — so if multiple vehicles are charging, per-car throughput drops. BYD's per-stall dedicated 1,500 kW with onsite BESS doesn't share or taper. It's a fundamentally different design philosophy.
Ranking on consumer charging speed:
BYD Flash Gen 2 — 1,500 kW dedicated per stall
Alpitronic HYC1000 — 600 kW per stall (peak, single vehicle)
Tesla V4 — 500 kW per stall (Cybertruck only; 250 kW for everything else)
As long as BYD and other interested parties would install the storage capacity at these remote locations, that would be great. I don't know who currently supplies the generators, maybe a split between Tesla and the utility? Takes the financial load off the utility to a point, and they can still sell more power. Then it depends on daily usage timing and size of storage. I've heard it takes more than a couple days to fully charge an electric car from a standard 15 amp 125vac plug... worst case scenario of course.
There are small communities along routes where chargers can be located, so they wouldn't actually be in the "middle of nowhere", likely close to a hotel, restaurant, etc.
If there is enough demand for power the utility might eventually upgrade their lines etc, as long as generation is keeping up. Most if not all our power is hydro so as long as it keeps raining and snow melts we should be ok.
This video documents Kyle Conner's trip to China to independently verify BYD's groundbreaking Flash Charging technology. Throughout the episode, he explores how this innovation aims to eliminate charging wait times and compete directly with the convenience of gas refueling (0:43 - 0:55, 35:46 - 35:53).
Key takeaways from the video:
- Real-world verification: Unlike controlled lab demonstrations, Kyle tests the technology on a damaged Denza Z9 GT found in a parking lot, confirming it can charge from 30% to 97% in roughly 8 minutes with speeds reaching over 1 megawatt (2:30 - 2:35, 42:28 - 50:41).
- Gen 2 Blade Battery technology: BYD is integrating their new Gen 2 Blade cell architecture across their entire lineup, allowing even budget-friendly models to achieve ultra-fast charging performance (4:54 - 5:33).
- Simplified user experience: The chargers are designed for simplicity, utilizing a "plug-and-charge" system without complex interfaces, focusing on remaining time rather than raw kilowatt metrics (26:34 - 26:48, 37:26 - 38:51).
- Infrastructure rollout: Diego Pareschi explains the strategy to deploy these chargers across Europe and Asia, which includes retrofitting existing sites to quickly establish a pervasive, high-speed charging network (9:18 - 11:49, 17:44 - 18:47).
- V2G Capabilities: The system supports high-power vehicle-to-grid (V2G) discharging at 200 kW, allowing energy to be returned to the storage system, which adds to the efficiency of the charging parks (29:37 - 29:58).
Plenty of shots fired in that, and they're not wrong. Tesla has seemed to just stopped innovating when it comes to charging, and charging times have gotten longer for their vehicles, not shorter.
I like the approach of focusing on time rather than kwh, putting it in plain language how long it's going to take and having that being the focus.
It's sad that we're going to be in last and it won't even be close while almost the entire rest of the world will benefit from advances like this that BYD and others are deploying.
I like the approach of focusing on time rather than kwh, putting it in plain language how long it's going to take and having that being the focus.
It's sad that we're going to be in last and it won't even be close while almost the entire rest of the world will benefit from advances like this that BYD and others are deploying.
How so? You're happy that there appears to be no effort to make these same strides in our xenophobic EV ecosystem in the US? That if anything we're regressing while the rest of the world is advancing?
No hate required, but we see if anything you've brought your blind devotion to Tesla to the discussion and nothing else.
Can you document:
"charging times have gotten longer for their vehicles, not shorter."
"our xenophobic EV ecosystem in the US"
Plenty on the streets, plenty still selling. Specious.
"you've brought your blind devotion to Tesla to the discussion and nothing else."
Really wanna defend that? Blind accusations do not help the discussion. Do you often make accusations against people that hold different opinions than yours?
"charging times have gotten longer for their vehicles, not shorter."
"our xenophobic EV ecosystem in the US"
Plenty on the streets, plenty still selling. Specious.
"you've brought your blind devotion to Tesla to the discussion and nothing else."
Really wanna defend that? Blind accusations do not help the discussion. Do you often make accusations against people that hold different opinions than yours?
Charging regression - LFP-equipped Model 3 and Model Y trims have documented lower peak charge rates than the 2170 variants they replaced. Kyle mentioned it (35:40) in the video you didn't watch that you're getting defensive over.
Xenophobic ecosystem - a 100-145% tariff wall keeping BYD out of the US market is the definition of a managed / protectionist market. "Plenty on the streets" describes the outcome of that policy, not a rebuttal to it. The video shows a damaged test car charging 30-97% in 8 minutes at 1MW+ in a parking lot. Americans cannot buy that. Not because the market rejected it - because policy prevents it.
US: 19 long-range EV models, avg $83K. China: 130 long-range EV models, avg $44.5K, with megawatt charging in active rollout.
I don't like Tesla, but what I hate is that American consumers are being priced out of better technology to protect an industry that still isn't closing the gap - including Tesla.
Xenophobic ecosystem - a 100-145% tariff wall keeping BYD out of the US market is the definition of a managed / protectionist market. "Plenty on the streets" describes the outcome of that policy, not a rebuttal to it. The video shows a damaged test car charging 30-97% in 8 minutes at 1MW+ in a parking lot. Americans cannot buy that. Not because the market rejected it - because policy prevents it.
US: 19 long-range EV models, avg $83K. China: 130 long-range EV models, avg $44.5K, with megawatt charging in active rollout.
I don't like Tesla, but what I hate is that American consumers are being priced out of better technology to protect an industry that still isn't closing the gap - including Tesla.
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Are you saying that there are only 19 long-range EVs available in the United States, or that there are only 19 long-range EVs from U.S. manufacturers? I am assuming you meant the latter. But you could also mean only 19 long-range EVs made in the United States. And even then, what constitutes a "model"? Do you say the Model 3 Standard RWD is a different model than the Model 3 Premium RWD? Or, are you saying all Model 3 count as just one "model"?
Let's count:
- Tesla Model 3
- Tesla Model Y
- Tesla Model S (still available, technically)
- Tesla Model X (same as above, to a lesser degree)
- Tesla Cybertruck
- Chevrolet Bolt
- Chevy Equinox EV (technically, made in Mexico)
- Chevy Blazer EV
- Chevy Silverado EV
- Cadillac Optiq (like the Equinox EV, technically made in Mexico)
- Cadillac Lyriq
- Cadillac Vistiq
- Cadillac Escapade IQ
- Cadillac Celestiq
- GMC Hummer EV Pickup
- GMC Hummer EV SUV
- GMC Sierra EV
- Ford Mustang Mach-E (technically, made in Mexico)
- Dodge Charger Daytona
- Jeep Wagoneer S
- Jeep Recon
- Lucid Air
- Lucid Gravity
- Rivian R1S
- Rivian R1T
- Rivian R2 (just starting deliveries)
- Slate Pickup (well, maybe not right now, just yet)
Long range EVs, was a reference to this article - Chinese Electric Cars Are Leaving American Automakers in the Dust
And I butchered that quote as I put together the reply:
And I butchered that quote as I put together the reply:
As I document in my recent article published in Science, nearly half of all new cars sold in China in 2024 were electric, compared to less than 10 percent in the U.S. Chinese manufacturers now offer 41 different EVs with driving ranges above 300 miles on a single charge, with an average price of $44,500. The United States? Just 19 models, with an average price of $83,100. And while the U.S. does offer 4 models under $40,000 (with an average range of 169 miles), China offers 130 models, with an average range of 239 miles.
While the competition deploys batteries and charging solutions designed to get you in and out of chargers in minutes all over the world, this is the best we can do in the states for the foreseeable future: digital lines.
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