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digiblur said:
LOL... Do you have that special D* HD service or something? I can guarantee you if I handed 100 people the list of HD channels D* and E* (without the Vooms), I bet 95 would pick E*.

I'd love to see D* steal the national HD leader status from E*. I can care less about HD LiL's at this point...OTA is better quality and priced a little better. Competition is an awesome thing!
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No - I live in the NY DMA. Every channel I mentioned I get. Where did I mention a channel that I don't get (and you would certainly know).


Yeah I know, you are a hi-tech guy. You post satellite info on lyngsat.

But, unlike YOU the overwhelming majority of pay tv subs rely on their provider for locals. If you provided that list (and included locals) I would bet people would choose the sports and locals actually.

My list of HD channels in NY is far superior in content (IMO) than what I could get frm DISH. DISH would have a few more channels, but not the quality of content that suits me. If sports wasn't so important, than why do you think it is that E*'s market penetration in NY is reorted to be so much lower than in other parts of our great country?

Why is the concept of quality of content not as important to you a quantity of channels? I'm not disputing your choice or opinion - why are you disputing mine?
 
JimK2 said:
and has better picture quaility too
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Hey - I agree, and I have already said that.

But most channels is not really important IMO, its having channels you want to watch. I guess it's nice to 'flip' through an additional 10 channels of programming that you really wouldn't watch, but are glad are there anyhow (why I don't know). HD-lite is now pretty common on DISH also - so that playing field is not what it used to be either.

Just take a look in the DISH threads from all the people excited to get MASN - and we're talking SD. And how many want NESN-HD, or YES (in SD - heaven forbid also in HD).

I really and truly don't see that many people asking for VOOM (I see some - not nearly as many asking for sports). Heck, the MLB thread had 20,000 views. You will never convince me that sports is not at the very top of the list of desired channels. Right after locals.
 
RandallA said:
As far as Directv as the overall HD leaders, I don't think so. Maybe when they launch the 100 HD channels they've been promising but right now Dish Network is the HD leader. E* has HD programming for everyone out there, Directv doesn't.
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E* doesn't have the sports I need in HD....
I too am a Sports person and could care less about the movie channels.
That said D* is the HD SPORTS Leader, not E*, therefore I go with D*

Jimbo
 
ScoBuck said:
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No - I live in the NY DMA. Every channel I mentioned I get. Where did I mention a channel that I don't get (and you would certainly know).


Yeah I know, you are a hi-tech guy. You post satellite info on lyngsat.

But, unlike YOU the overwhelming majority of pay tv subs rely on their provider for locals. If you provided that list (and included locals) I would bet people would choose the sports and locals actually.
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Post on Lyngsat? Not I, unless someone is using my name there.

Lot's of OTA subs out there...nothing hi-tech about a piece of wire and antenna on the other end.
 
Verizon FIOS, Comcast, Time Warner and Dish have most of the national HD channels now available, movie and otherwise, already and you can watch them all today.

DirecTV has only promised these stations, and more which do not exist yet, in the future, based upon satellite launches and God only knows what other factors. Why is pointing this out 'bashing' DirecTV?

I agree that D* is an easy choice for sports people, and maybe will be for HD in the future, but if your only criteria were based on national HD channels for movies, etc., NOW, you would not pick D*?

We have both FIOS and D*-FIOS is the simple choice for uncompressed HD, and virtually all of it available now, and D* is the easy choice for sports and hardware.

All this debate merely tells us that competition will ultimately be good for all of us?
 
digiblur said:
Lot's of OTA subs out there...nothing hi-tech about a piece of wire and antenna on the other end.
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Hi-Tech, Low-Tech, doesn't really matter on this issue.

Fact is, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of people that have pay tv providers use them for their locals. It might not give them the best PQ (of course again most don't know this), it may not give them all of the possible channels, and of course none of the sub-channels (which again most don't even know about) But they DON'T utilize OTA antennas anymore.
 
ScoBuck said:
Hi-Tech, Low-Tech, doesn't really matter on this issue.

Fact is, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of people that have pay tv providers use them for their locals. It might not give them the best PQ (of course again most don't know this), it may not give them all of the possible channels, and of course none of the sub-channels (which again most don't even know about) But they DON'T utilize OTA antennas anymore.
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If cable companies included an ATSC antenna input on the box (which the government should mandate for all STBs, cable/satellite/ip), you'd see a lot more people using OTA.
 
ScoBuck said:
Hi-Tech, Low-Tech, doesn't really matter on this issue.

Fact is, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of people that have pay tv providers use them for their locals. It might not give them the best PQ (of course again most don't know this), it may not give them all of the possible channels, and of course none of the sub-channels (which again most don't even know about) But they DON'T utilize OTA antennas anymore.
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Fact is, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of satellite subscribers in my area don't realize they are watching their HD locals on their D* and E* boxes via an antenna once their installer leaves.
 
digiblur said:
Fact is, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of satellite subscribers in my area don't realize they are watching their HD locals on their D* and E* boxes via an antenna once their installer leaves.
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because they aren't. you have to order an antenna. PERIOD.
 
mdonnelly said:
If cable companies included an ATSC antenna input on the box (which the government should mandate for all STBs, cable/satellite/ip), you'd see a lot more people using OTA.
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And if they were more educated you would also. But today the sad truth is MOST don't go OTA.
 
We live in a relatively small suburban development of 220 houses. Our location would allow you to choose between Time Warner Cable, Verizon FIOS, DirecTV or DISH (and, of course, over-the-air service for free-our area requires a 'large directional antenna' to get all the digital stations).

We have the only outdoor OTA antenna in the neighborhood (and, as far as I know, the only 'variance' to our HOA code, which they had to give us under federal law since there is no reasonable economic alternative to receipt of an OTA signal here except by virtue of an antenna, and an outdoor one at that. The big silver baby really hacked them off, though, LOL)

You all are very correct that most people just want a dish or a wire to run into their house and give it all to them, and most do not know or care where the signal actually comes from-the Easter Bunny maybe?. Since we get every one of the digital channels (30 in all, including the 'extra' .2s and .3s) instead of the three networks rebroadcast in HD by D*, we are happy to have OTA digital in addition to the satellite.

By the way, the HR20-700 OTA tuner is better and more sensitive than our HR10-250 older TiVo unit-both hooked to the same antenna-the HR20 to a longer run of wire by about 70 feet (all through a Winegard distribution amp).
 
I've seen only one E* or D* dish that has an OTA antenna also installed on it.
 
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