nope. That ended after week 9. NFL Net has the games now.
correction. In Chicago and Dallas the game will be on the local CBS (both O&O BTW) due to the local teams OTA simulcast rule
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correction. In Chicago and Dallas the game will be on the local CBS (both O&O BTW) due to the local teams OTA simulcast rule
I dont know what exact amount of $ CBS gets from Dish per Sub but even if its .25 a sub in those markets thats a TON of money lost! So Yes CBS will be losing alot of money during the outage. Not to mention the real crap move CBS is pulling yanking Showtime (One of the only Ala Carte channels left) along with these CBS Locals. Blows my mind they pull one of the most profitable services due to a disagreement on locals.
BTW, I will readily agree CBS may be totally unreasonable in their demands/requests. However, I think it's naive to think everything Dish does in these negotiations is "pure of heart". Without knowing details (what is currently being paid/subscriber vs. what's being asked), I don't think a judgement should be made.
I like the PP's idea of utilizing 3rd party arbitration.
I like the PP's idea of utilizing 3rd party arbitration.
No, *I'm* saying that. If you think I speak for CBS (or anyone other than myself) I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.
I agree with this 100%. As I said both companies goals are to make the most amount of money they can.
Sorry, I saw the quoted text that darren posted and didn't readily see the same text in your quote, so I thought it was a quote from Les or some other representative.
Both companies know it doesnt look good to Shareholders when channels/Ad-viewers get dropped though...I agree with this 100%. As I said both companies goals are to make the most amount of money they can.
Didn't it get decided in another thread that a "tech roll" (which is what a PP suggested to install an antenna) costs Dish ~$150-$200? Tell me again why CBS loses more if Dish sends antennas (which cost more than .25) and techs to install them.
Yes.
But CBS is not just losing their OT, they are reducing their regular hours as well (the current retrans fees).
Dish saves money by not paying those fees, over a long term maybe enough to justify an antenna install to keep the customer. Problem is the stations will only go dark for a few weeks.
The number of folks that would take advantage of an antenna offer are minimal. An antenna offer would be more a marketing/positioning ploy than anything else.
That said, I am hoping I'll get a free OTA adapter out of the dispute.
Sam if I may ask I remember correctly you work for a TV station, can't remember if it was a CBS or NBC station, what is it you do there? And how do you feel (if you are or if you were a CBS station) on how CBS is trying to sell around the affilliate? To either raise their affiliates fees or sell the service direct to your viewers for $6.99 a month to each? I would really be interested in hearing what the affiliates think about this.
Scott, I can give you *MY* opinion, but that's all it is. My views don't reflect those of my boss, his boss, my company, or the corporate owners. Please, I want to make sure that's clear (I'm sure it is to you and some others, but want to make sure everyone understands it).
That being said, I am not against retransmission fees on their own. However, I do think they (affiliates) can ask for too much. I think when Dish (and Direct) first started launching LiL and were openly charging for locals (separate line item), I fully believe they weren't just "covering their costs" (and yes, I understand there are costs involved), but also profiting. The affiliates saw that and said "why are they making money on OUR product?" and started asking for retrans fees (assuming the law needed to be changed to do so, they lobbied for that). This is totally a theory on my part. Sure now locals are "free" (yea, right) but the principle still applies. For that reason, I don't see a problem with affiliates getting paid.
I personally can support a move that would not charge MVPDs (is that the right acronym?) for subscribers outside of OTA range. However, I do think those who are inside OTA range SHOULD pay. They are using the service as a convenience, not as a necessity. I hope that makes sense. In my "perfect world", 'OTA Range' would be decided on at least a 'county by county' basis, if not more precise. Maybe utilizing a website like tvfool.com to look and see what the antenna requirements would be.
As far as how much MVPDs should pay to a single affiliate... again, in my "perfect world", it should come down to ratings. Maybe you take the average ratings for a channel for a year (or however long the agreements last) and pay $x/rating (or household) point. That encourages better programming. Going back to the simple way we do now, I do not think the cost should go over $1/subscriber. My personal feeling is .50-.75 cents/subscriber is reasonable, with maybe a 2-3% increase every couple years (or every year, I'm not sure on that one).
MVPDs and affiliates BOTH benefit... affiliates do get coverage into areas they otherwise wouldn't and MVPDs get subscribers who want that programming.
If you've made it through this long diatribe, I appreciate it.
I asked my neighbor as to why he have both Directv and Dish and he responded because I'm tired of Dish cutting my channel's off so I just flip to Directv channels.
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2-minute warning for CBS and Dish Network fee battle
http://seekingalpha.com/news/2161985-2-minute-warning-for-cbs-and-dish-network-fee-battle?uprof=45
With the exception of watching sports,CBS All Access is the way to go in this case if these stations are pulled. They need to work on the picture not freezing or lagging,but you'll be able to watch your CBS programs,& I think it's just over $5.00 a month(I have it & I need to check what the exact price is).
Edit: $5.99 a month for CBS All Access. Downside,they're not on Roku(or AppleTV) yet.
http://seekingalpha.com/news/2161985-2-minute-warning-for-cbs-and-dish-network-fee-battle?uprof=45
With the exception of watching sports,CBS All Access is the way to go in this case if these stations are pulled. They need to work on the picture not freezing or lagging,but you'll be able to watch your CBS programs,& I think it's just over $5.00 a month(I have it & I need to check what the exact price is).
Edit: $5.99 a month for CBS All Access. Downside,they're not on Roku(or AppleTV) yet.
Remember they need to be manual timers not name based, etc!
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