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I recall a similar emotion in late 2003 when the 811 came out. It's not fixed yet.

I wonder if the guide problems are due to local PSIP format errors and the firmware just can't handle the error. My guide has been messed up in every release as far back as I can recall. Location is north-central Connecticut. After a reboot, the guide starts off correct but it's only a matter of...

Very depressing. Same issues as reported in the thread by many: Way overbright picture. Yet another contrast fix that doesn't fix the bad PQ? Slow clock on OTA. Guide full of "No info"s, and unable to change channel from the guide when in that mode. Lockups requiring power button reboot...

I'm seriously considering getting rid of Dish completely and just watch OTA. OTA HD is stunning, and we mostly watch Law & Order, CSI, the local news, and DVD's. Hmmm, just talked myself into saving $40 a month. Cheers!

Does that mean the p*ss poor software in the 811 will be put out of its misery and end-of-lifed? Living with that POS for 2+ years was a learning experience, and a bad one. I don't get any HD programming from Dish (if they had it - HD*Lite LOL!) so I'll wait and see what Dish recommends for...

Any news on when to expect something better than firmware 3.30 for our 811's? The guide bugs are terrible with 3.30 - often see No Info, loses local information, greek characters, .... Also, Dish changed something with ATSC Dolby Digital when they released 3.30 and now the 811 occasionally...

That's why I have a HDTV OTA tuner card in my PC - it ignores the flags :) My front projector only has component and not DVI, so sometime down the road, the 811 will be a boat anchor. (mpeg4 will make it that anyway for the satellite side of things).

For ALL OTA material? I know my 811 will display digital OTA on a display that doesn't have HDCP e.g. most (all?) PC DVI LCD displays that are not intended to be used as standalone TV's. Like I said before, why bother to protect free over the air material? Is anything protected coming out of...

Are the digital HD OTA's unprotected? I would think so, seeing as they are free broadcast channels, but you never know. Common sense doesn't always get the right answer. If there is a new movie shown on HBOHD, is that protected? How about their own programming, say, Sopranos?

I'm not using the DVI output from my 811 at the moment. Does the DVI port use HDCP? Some time way back I did connect the DVI to a 17" PC LCD display and got a picture and I think that display did not support HDCP.

You also overlooked another factor which works against OTA. For many, good OTA reception needs a large antenna. The Dish dish isn't too intrusive, but put up a 10 foot long ugly stick and it's a whole new level of inconvenience. I just can't see most homeowners going backwards to install ugly...

Any clues as to when the next upgrade adventure begins? 2.90 or whatever it will be. 2.89 has been a big step backwards for me and many others posting on this forum. The guide is full of No Info's and lockups, Dolby Digital was solid and now cuts out on digital OTA, picture goes to black...

Same here. The letters m and n just became outlines rather than solid. I suppose I'll try a reboot and see if it goes away. Could be a 2.89 issue?

Thanks, and I added my vote to the poll. The only question now is - how will I keep my blood pressure down with the 811 from now until Dish have an mpeg4 replacement available. I've had the 811 for more than 18 months and the bug list seems to go on for ever. Just did one manual reboot yesterday...

August 2005? After my 811 experience, I'll let others be the 411 beta testers and wait to see how Dish handle the mpeg4 transition for existing customers.

Worse for the reason posted in the 2.89 mega thread - occasional loss of audio on S/PDIF while tuned to digital OTA.

Good , let them all suffer :) If you use the S/PDIF output I would highly recommend to avoid this update, unless you already have S/PDIF problems and are hoping to get a fix. My 811 went from perfect audio (2.84) to lockups on digital OTA (2.89).

Thanks. I went straight from 2.84 to 2.89 and didn't know this would be a problem. I guess I ought to read the forums more and would have definitely not taken the 2.89 update if I'd known it was this badly broken. If Dish knew about this in 2.87, and not fixed in 2.89, then 2.89 should not...

The two times tonight the sound messed up, it was at a scene change (e.g going to or returning from commercial). It looks like 2.89 isn't handling transitions correctly. Not sure, but I think the black and white bug is still there in 2.89. This often happens switching from satellite to...

Went from 2.84 to 2.89 yesterday. First problem noticed this evening. Watching NBC digital OTA, Law & Order. Coming through in Dolby D. Cut to commercials and the sounds goes dead. The receiver still shows the same Dolby D detection. Out of commercial, sound is still dead. Changed 811 channel to...

Public service announcement - the 6000's dropped in price when Dish moved the HD channels to nagra2 encoding, which hasn't been hacked yet. If the hackers break nagra2, Dish 6000's will zoom up in price again. I was using a friends 6000 last year while waiting for the 811 crushed black fix, but...

I need to get a $100 extra dish before I can start to complain about the extra $5/month for the new HD channels. Realistically, I'll keep watching ABC/CBS/NBC/Fox locals in HD and forget about Dish HD until mpeg4 hits the fan. If Dish offered HBOHD and SHOHD separately at an attractive...

Actually, they are getting $0 for those channels from me and rrolsbe. If there were an HD pack with HBOHD and ShowtimeHD at a fair price I'd buy it. I can't say if Dish/HBO/Showtime would gain or lose money by offering the HD channels separately. It is worth consideration and until we get to...

Single link uses one set of digital RGB + clock wires, and dual link uses two sets of wires, all in the same cable assembly. The two links are there to provide higher bandwidth. Single link can handle HD resolutions. Most all DVI equipped components are single link. HDMI is electrically the...

It could be that the CSR was misinformed, or the terms of the Dish'n It Up promotion have changed. Or perhaps they flat out lied. This is why I want to know what will happen in the mpeg4 transition before I commit to staying with Dish when my contract expires in May. Existing customers could...