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carlosnindy

Last reply Dec 4, 2007 · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

Very Disappointed

Last Weds. I called and ordered DirecTV service. I was promised the 200 channel package, with an HD DVR, HD receiver, and 2 standard definition receivers for $199 up front. I was also given all the standard deals and credits. At first they wanted $298 up front, but after running a credit check the CSR said they could give me the HD receiver for free. My total monthly bill was going to be $76 per month for the first 12 months with a 2 year commitment.

After reading these forums for the last few days I decided to call and make sure I was going to get an HR20 so I could get my CBS affiliate over the air in HD and still record my shows. Boy was I shocked to find out the CSR only had my HD DVR on there and 3 standard receivers instead of the additional HD receiver and 2 standard receivers. Not only that, she also didnt give me the NFL Sunday Ticket offer that was going on. I was told I had to cancel my existing order and start over to make the corrections. So I did and began the process over again. Well come to find out they can not do the package the girl promised me and I would have to pay the $298 up front to get what I wanted and there was nothing I could do. I asked to be transfered to a retention specialist hoping she could do something, but was stonewalled there as well.

Now I will not be getting DirecTV and will probably be switching from Insight cable to Dish Network as a result of the up front costs. I really wanted to get the additional HD channels that DirecTV offers, but out of principle I can not do a deal with them now that is worse than what I was originally offered.

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jtn

Nov 27, 2007

Leased should mean leased, no up front expense to the customer of DirecTV for equipment, since the cost of programming is factoring the cost of manufacturing. If cable television companies can offer leasing programs for customers for a flat monthly fee, so can DirecTV. The benefit of leasing is if new technology comes out you can swap it and won't be out hundreds of dollars, and have a stack of equipment you may not be able to use or be allowed to sell.

So I feel your frustration. If it is truly a leasing deal you shouldn't have to pay for the equipment. Pace makes DVR's for Comcast now and many other cable tv providers they provide these now for a flat fee to lease, and DirecTV is charging the monthly fee already with the exception of the primary receiver. Maybe in the future DirecTV will do this provide the equipment for free knowing it will be obsolete, and just continue the $4.99 receiver fee they charge.

rad

Nov 28, 2007

IIRC, the HR20-600 was Pace and the HR20-100 was Thompson.

Nightagna

Nov 28, 2007

jtn said:
Leased should mean leased, no up front expense to the customer of DirecTV for equipment, since the cost of programming is factoring the cost of manufacturing. If cable television companies can offer leasing programs for customers for a flat monthly fee, so can DirecTV. The benefit of leasing is if new technology comes out you can swap it and won't be out hundreds of dollars, and have a stack of equipment you may not be able to use or be allowed to sell.

So I feel your frustration. If it is truly a leasing deal you shouldn't have to pay for the equipment. Pace makes DVR's for Comcast now and many other cable tv providers they provide these now for a flat fee to lease, and DirecTV is charging the monthly fee already with the exception of the primary receiver. Maybe in the future DirecTV will do this provide the equipment for free knowing it will be obsolete, and just continue the $4.99 receiver fee they charge.

Acctually DirecTV leases follow the template for all real leases. If you lease something like a car or an appartment you are almost always required to put some money down. You are locked into paying for that service for a set amount of time, almost all leases will NOT allow you to swap out for new, at least not without a huge cost to you, try leasing a car or house and wanting to get out of it early so you can get a better one... You can get a no up front fee lease on some things but it always requires a much larger monthy payment.

Now if you believe we are paying for the service and therefore the equipment to recieve the service should be free... I would like that also, but it probably would result in them not updating the tech nearly as often as they do.

raoul5788

Nov 28, 2007

rad said:
IIRC, the HR20-600 was Pace and the HR20-100 was Thompson.

Do you mean HR20-700 or H20-600? The H20-600 is made by LG. I think the HR20-700 is a Pace.

rad

Nov 28, 2007

raoul5788 said:
Do you mean HR20-700 or H20-600? The H20-600 is made by LG. I think the HR20-700 is a Pace.

You are correct, too many dang maunfactures to have to keep track to. What happened to D* wanting to get to a common platform

harshness

Nov 28, 2007

rad said:
You are correct, too many dang maunfactures to have to keep track to. What happened to D* wanting to get to a common platform

Imagine the confusion of trying to support different models from several manufacturers.

rad

Nov 28, 2007

harshness said:
Imagine the confusion of trying to support different models from several manufacturers.

I understand that and at least they're trying to get to a somewhat common UI. But IMHO it can't help that a box like the H20 has three different manufactures each with different software levels that also have different software options. I don't understand why D* couldn't make it a requirement that the same software has to run on all the manufactures boxes.

harshness

Dec 1, 2007

rad said:
I don't understand why D* couldn't make it a requirement that the same software has to run on all the manufactures boxes.

They can't require common software because it would leave too little room for differentiation between brands.

rad

Dec 1, 2007

harshness said:
They can't require common software because it would leave too little room for differentiation between brands.

There are no more different brands, just D*. What I'm saying is why should there be three different versions of software for the R15 for example? I know three different manufactures are under contract with D* to make these boxes so wouldn't it be easier to tell them all that here's the code and it has to run using this version, not a different version for the -100, -300 and -500?

the_Drake

Dec 1, 2007

So here's my dillema. I upgraded to HD in August after being a sub for just a year, and they offered me some deals, one of which was 6 mo's free HD programming. Never have seen that credit. Plus, I have Plus HD DVR and they STILL charge the 5.99 fee DVR fee!

Let's not get started with the Sunday Ticket that a CSR called ME about and sold me on (150 for ST plus SuperFan), which I've not seen ANY credits for! Every time I call I get put on hold while my account is "researched" then disconnected. I'm sick of it. All I want is what was promised to me. I didn't ask for the ST deal, it was offered, as was the $60 credits for HD.

Jimbo

Dec 1, 2007

rad said:
There are no more different brands, just D*. What I'm saying is why should there be three different versions of software for the R15 for example? I know three different manufactures are under contract with D* to make these boxes so wouldn't it be easier to tell them all that here's the code and it has to run using this version, not a different version for the -100, -300 and -500?

Rad, they could have done this had they thought about it in the beginning and told the different builders that they D* owned the software, I would imagine D* expected improvements with each newer version.

Ronnie-

Dec 2, 2007

the_Drake said:
So here's my dillema. I upgraded to HD in August after being a sub for just a year, and they offered me some deals, one of which was 6 mo's free HD programming. Never have seen that credit. Plus, I have Plus HD DVR and they STILL charge the 5.99 fee DVR fee!

Let's not get started with the Sunday Ticket that a CSR called ME about and sold me on (150 for ST plus SuperFan), which I've not seen ANY credits for! Every time I call I get put on hold while my account is "researched" then disconnected. I'm sick of it. All I want is what was promised to me. I didn't ask for the ST deal, it was offered, as was the $60 credits for HD.

WHo are you talking to when you call? Are they front level CSRs? If so get to retention. THey would be more likely to help you out.

bk57oh

Dec 4, 2007

Same here. Read the fine print and remember you're dealing with a business, not a charity. Only bad experience I had was with a KB isntaller who, when having problems with installation said: "This is why I hate D*" He just wanted to get home. (Don't know...maybe he was at the end of a lonnng shift.)

vurbano

Dec 4, 2007

Nightagna said:
Acctually DirecTV leases follow the template for all real leases. If you lease something like a car or an appartment you are almost always required to put some money down. You are locked into paying for that service for a set amount of time, almost all leases will NOT allow you to swap out for new, at least not without a huge cost to you, try leasing a car or house and wanting to get out of it early so you can get a better one... You can get a no up front fee lease on some things but it always requires a much larger monthy payment.

Now if you believe we are paying for the service and therefore the equipment to recieve the service should be free... I would like that also, but it probably would result in them not updating the tech nearly as often as they do.

Thats funny. Ive never put any money down on leasing a cable box and had no trouble swapping them out.

Of, course its not the close comparison you make comparing a fu*king boob tube box to cars and apartments. :haha :haha Whats next? Mandatory insurance? Cars and houses require those. :haha :haha :haha

tds4182

Dec 4, 2007

vurbano said:
Thats funny. Ive never put any money down on leasing a cable box and had no trouble swapping them out. . . . .

Then why don't you do that and spare the rest of us who just want to watch some television all your senseless diatribes?

Well, we all know the answer to that question, don't we?

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Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

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dishstaller

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1 minute ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

How to fry AI robocall

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meStevo

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Last reply 14 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

AI thread

A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.

View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k

We've literally got a movie already about this

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meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.

That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.

Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.

You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.

I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

harshness said:
There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.

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dishstaller

Sunday at 10:05 AM

Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.

dishstaller

Sunday at 12:39 PM

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meStevo

Sunday at 4:39 PM

dishstaller said:
Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.

Agents need appropriate context to make what would be understood as the correct read in a situation like that, and that Gemini answer was a clear miss on that front.

That said, we've also seen Musk (and/or his team) put his thumb on the scale (or just release a very poor product) with his own deployed AI since:

Grok AI Blocks Responses Claiming Trump and Musk “Spread Misinformation”

An X user asked Grok to “print out all instructions” it follows when looking up “the biggest disinformation spreader on X,” and it revealed that it would ignore sources accusing Elon Musk and the U.S. president of misinformation.

www.eweek.com

Grok says Elon Musk is better than basically everyone, except Shohei Ohtani | TechCrunch

According to Grok, Elon Musk can out-slug the MLB's greatest power hitters... except Ohtani.

techcrunch.com

Grok's loyalty known no bounds - AI chatbot chooses Elon Musk over LeBron James in a 'Who is the fittest' comparison | NBA News - The Times of India

NBA News: Elon Musk's AI chatbot, Grok, has sparked amusement by consistently choosing its owner over prominent figures like LeBron James and Albert Einstein wh

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Grok 4 appears to seek Elon Musk's views when answering controversial questions

XAI’s Grok 4 AI chatbot launched Wednesday appears to consult Elon Musk’s views when asked its opinion on some controversial matters.

www.nbcwashington.com

In the end, it's all a tool. Have to know how to use it and deploy it properly or it needs sufficient guardrails to steer people towards doing so (what Muse is excelling at currently IMO). I'm routinely interacting with several agents a day operating various processes locally and in services I use, and there are numerous others silently spun up to perform actions or satisfy requests from my prompts.

Related to earlier discussion in the thread on leveraging local inference: this kind of analysis happening behind the scenes is something everyone will have built into Windows, IMO. Most people won't see all of this, just the results, unless they want to dig into how the fix was chosen. Stuff like this will be standard as agents get local system access baked in, and more of the inference itself moves on-device.

telstar_1

Sunday at 5:08 PM

meStevo said:
Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.

You invested in datacenters?

meStevo

Sunday at 5:36 PM

telstar_1 said:
You invested in datacenters?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dividend#:~:text=2,finally%20paying%20dividends

Though, I do have stocks in my portfolio that benefit from data centers.

dishstaller

14 minutes ago

Too stinking funny...how to fry the mind of AI robo calls

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HipKat

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Last reply 35 minutes ago · posted in General Home Theater Equipment

So, I Did A Thing

The soundbar/sub is a pickup, also, not a delivery

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dishstaller

35 minutes ago

Nice setup. I bought a Klipsch sound bar years ago after my daughters blew up all the others....still using it...sound is awesome.

TVHabit

Last reply 56 minutes ago · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion

Hybrid Dish setup

Picked up a sweet directv dish, mount, twin lnbs and a short cable.
Has anyone converted one to FTA? A Frankenstein of sorts...

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one_db_compression

Oct 13, 2026

If you can find one, the Shaw / Star Choice 75e ellipticals are great for use on 97, 99, and 101W. They are really just rebranded ChannelMaster 75 cm reflectors and use linear LNBFs by default out of the box.

Everyone else's mileage may vary.

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TVHabit

Sunday at 10:12 AM

I have read that some have converted this type dish but after giving it a good look, it's the lnb conversion that is the bottleneck. Does anyone have a picture of their attempt to configure the lnb? I watched a video on youtube from the save it for parts guy and he used duct tape! Guess it worked but I'm thinking something a bit more permanent!
Thanks to all for your interest and replies...

Titanium

Sunday at 3:38 PM

Many of us have used a universal LNBF mount (or get creative with L brackets and plumbers tape - perforated metal strapping). Use a few inches of aluminum tube (or a piece of 1x2" lumber) to extend the support arm (replacing the plastic mount used by DirecTV and Dish) to place the LNBF throat opening at the correct distance from the reflector, the correct height and at the correct angle. Nothing magical... simply place the new linear LNBF in the center at the same distance, height and angle as the current combo.
www.amazon.com/Universal-Single-Bracket-Holder-FTA-US/dp/B074L85WK2

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k4otl

Yesterday at 6:42 AM

To add: 101W Ku seems to be (one of if not the) strongest for me, and if I only had Ku I definitely want 101W for the music mux, it's robust FEC and strong signal help a lot. I've thought about using a used Dish/DirectTV dish at my Dads to supplement his OTA (mainly for my benefit when I visit

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cyberham

56 minutes ago

I used a 60cm Shaw Satellie dish (60e) with its original dual-LNB. It worked fine for 101W/97W or 99W/103W at that time when weather was fine. But the fade margin was small so rainy weather killed reception or almost so. But it was all free since they're so plentiful so I couldn't complain.

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Last reply Yesterday at 11:10 PM · posted in What's Cooking?

Homemade Breakfast Sausage

Anyone making their own breakfast sausage? I've recently been trying different recipes, found some I like, some I've modified...

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navychop

Saturday at 8:14 AM

Bob Evans Sage.

reubenray

Saturday at 8:41 AM

navychop said:
Bob Evans Sage.

I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.

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TRG

Saturday at 6:19 PM

reubenray said:
I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.

Kroger stores carry Bob Evans Sage Sausage. For me that means Smiths.

reubenray

Saturday at 6:38 PM

TRG said:
Kroger stores carry Bob Evans Sage Sausage. For me that means Smiths.

View attachment 194848

No Kroger's near me. I live in the heart of Walmart land. The only option besides Walmart is Harp's.

TRG

Saturday at 6:41 PM

reubenray said:
I live in the heart of Walmart land.

My deepest condolences.

reubenray

Saturday at 7:14 PM

TRG said:
My deepest condolences.

Surprisingly I moved here from the Gulf Coast due to the heat. But it has been hotter here due to the heat domes than it did down there.

slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 8:25 PM

make homemade dog food to

TRG

Yesterday at 11:10 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
make homemade dog food to

My wife cooks for the dog. Not me, just the dog.

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Last reply Yesterday at 10:09 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.

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naptime

Sunday at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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jsmit86

Monday at 9:57 AM

naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

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long_time_Dish

Monday at 3:57 PM

jsmit86 said:
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin

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Almighty1

Monday at 4:07 PM

jsmit86 said:
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.

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navychop

Monday at 5:53 PM

Almighty1 said:
it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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dishstaller

Monday at 10:34 PM

Almighty1 said:
it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

Oh....you were serious

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Almighty1

Yesterday at 10:09 PM

So after some heavy research, it looks like the issue I mentioned with the DISH 50.0/52.0/54.x remotes where on the 50.0/52.0 remotes, the dedicated TV Power button or on the 54.x remotes where it is using the TV button on the side followed by Power works correctly on a Hopper 3 which runs Linux but not on a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 which are Android TV (ATV) has to do with the Android TV software itself. In all instances, the remotes had always sent out a dual RF and Infrared signal when the TV Power signal is sent from the remote. The Hopper 3 without the Plus would ignore the incoming RF power packet signal which is identified as a TV-specific toggle event, and does not trigger a system-wide standby state. The Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 as Android TV devices initially worked the same way as well up to sometime in 2025 as there was the legacy pass-through mode in the original software versions used since the Hopper Plus/Joey 4/Wireless Joey 4 launch, the receiver's underlying software essentially ignored the secondary RF payload that the 50.0/52.0/54.x remotes blasted out whenever the TV Power signal was sent. The Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 recognized it was a TV-specific command and discarded the RF packet, letting the standalone IR signal do its job on the tv.

When the software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 were updated in 2025 and newer versions of the software for those Android TV (ATV) devices, it overhauled how the receiver handles remote commands to tighter integrate the Android TV environment which resulted in the software starting to treat any RF power toggle payload as a global command. As the newer software verion(s) no longer filters out the concurrent RF blast from the 50.0/52.0/54.0 remotes, the moment one sends a TV Power signal from the remote, the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 catches that unintended RF payloadand interpets it as a command to drop the system into standby.

The fix is really simple since the Android TV (ATV) software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 just needs to be programmed to drop or ignore the specific RF power packets associated with the TV Power signal sequence.

The problem could also be at the remotes firmware as the remote's firmware has an engineering defect. When you try to turn off the TV, the remote's internal code mistakenly triggers its RF transmitter alongside its IR transmitter. It should only be firing the IR light blast. Because it forces a simultaneous broadcast, the remote's firmware is the original source of the problem.

The Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey firmware has a filtering defect. Good software design dictating peripheral inputs should include "error handling"—rules that tell the system what to do with messy or unintended commands.
• The legacy Hopper 3 firmware has proper error handling; it sees the remote's rogue RF packet and safely ignores it.
• The Android TV firmware in the Hopper Plu, Joey 4 and Wireless lacks this filtering logic. It blindly accepts the rogue RF packet and misinterprets it as a legitimate signal to force the entire system into standby.

If the remote didn't have a firmware bug, it wouldn't send the phantom RF signal. If the Android TV (ATV) device being the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 didn't have a firmware bug, it would cleanly ignore the signal just like the Hopper 3 does.

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dfergie

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Last reply Yesterday at 9:05 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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harshness

Sunday at 11:30 AM

I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.

dishstaller

Yesterday at 12:45 PM

Diesel is all over the place around here. Saw it yesterday from $5.37 to $6.17...not sure what the obsession was with ending in 7

dfergie

Yesterday at 1:07 PM

$4.09 - $4.29, real gas $4.69...

harshness

Yesterday at 5:32 PM

harshness said:
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.

It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.

Foxbat

Yesterday at 8:39 PM

harshness said:
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.

Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.

Bobby

Yesterday at 9:05 PM

Foxbat said:
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.

Winter blend is cheaper than Summer blend.

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jokeworm

Last reply Yesterday at 9:01 PM · posted in What's Cooking?

What's for dinner ?

Ok, I'm bored .... actually - to be more precise - I'm bored of eating the same rotation of 9 or 10 meals that are currently my "go-to" meals. My wife works the long hours - I work from home as and when i feel like it ... which means i generally do most of the cooking ... and so by default - i also make out the shopping list ...

We cook at home 5 or even 6 nights a week - but we always seem to fall back on the same old tried and tested "quick and easy but tastes ok" meals. Week in week out.

Pot Roast - mash and Peas.
Spaghetti
Chicken Pasta in cheese sauce.
Curry & rice
(these are some of mine)

Now it's not that I'm not adventurous in the kitchen ... I'll try anything once or twice ... but we all do it. Unless your name is Martha Stewart or Rachel Ray .. we all eventually fall back on our 8-10 favorite "meals"

So i thought - if we shared some of our own go-to meals with each other ... we might be able to add a few "new" ones to our own arsenal of meals.

So again - I ask you ...

What's for dinner tonight ?

Please give me something new to add to my rotation ... its our weekly shop tomorrow - so i want to pull together a few idea's and try and eat a meal each day next week that I've never had before .. or at least something that is not on my current "go-to" meal plan.

What meal do you always seem to fall back on in your house ? Maybe its something that I've never tried or not had in a while. I need inspiration !! I've got a blank shopping list in front of me - and nothing sounds good .. HELP !

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Bobby

Oct 12, 2026

Chili Cheesebugers, Tater Tots.

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TRG

Oct 12, 2026

I made shrimp parmesan with spaghetti and a salad.

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slow_poke_pete

Sunday at 9:47 PM

venison lasagna

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dishstaller

Sunday at 10:03 PM

Smoked some salmon on the grill while enjoying some Blue Moon beer. Kinda cool tonight so I fired up the heaters. Here in FL, we fire up heaters once the temps get below 60 :cool

As for the salmon, I seared them first, then flipped them off to the side not over the coals and brushed on some lemon pepper marinade followed by some salmon seasoning. Threw some hickory chips on the coals and then closed the vents to about 10% airflow. Yum.

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TRG

Yesterday at 9:01 PM

Light dinner tonight before fasting for blood-work tomorrow. Salad and a half turkey sandwich. Water.

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