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SatelliteGuys.US DishNetwork Uplink Activity Report - 9/17/2008 1:02pm - 128 changes

Uplink Comparison Range: 09/17/2008 12:02P - 09/17/2008 01:02P

Channel Additions:
826 - SPORT [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar11 110W TP 02 ConUS beam (A)
826 - SPORT [MPEG4 SD] added to Echostar6 72.7W TP 07 ConUS beam (A)
842 - TELAM [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam (NA)
4239 - WGN [MPEG4 HD] added to Echostar12 61.5W TP 21 ConUS beam (A) (H)(Chicago, IL)
4239 - WGN [MPEG4 HD] added to EchoStar5 129W TP 03 ConUS beam (A) (H)(Chicago, IL)
5162(25) - WEYI [MPEG4 HD] added to Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 4 beam (A) (H)(Saginaw, MI)
6393(39) - KIAH [MPEG4 HD] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 04 Spotbeam 16(SE TX) (NA)
8911(21) - KTOV [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 17 (NA)
9750 - ISRLI [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar3 61.5W TP 27 ConUS beam (A) (H)
9751 - TV5 [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar3 61.5W TP 27 ConUS beam (A) (H)
14013 - KOCE3 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 01 South California beam (NA)(Huntington Beach, CA)
14015 - KSCI2 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 01 South California beam (NA)(Long Beach, CA)
14022 - KSCI3 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 01 South California beam (NA)(Long Beach, CA)
14086 - KSCI5 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 01 South California beam (NA)(Long Beach, CA)
14089 - KSCI6 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 01 South California beam (NA)(Long Beach, CA)
14131 - KSCI7 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 01 South California beam (NA)(Long Beach, CA)
14132 - KSCI8 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 01 South California beam (NA)(Long Beach, CA)
14197 - KVCR2 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 01 South California beam (NA)(San Bernardino, CA)
14297 - KVCR3 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 01 South California beam (NA)(San Bernardino, CA)
14324 - KVCR4 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 01 South California beam (NA)(San Bernardino, CA)
14375 - KADN2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 25 Spotbeam 12(LA) (NA)(Lafayette, LA)
14407 - KLAS2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 12 Spotbeam 38(NV) (NA)(Las Vegas, NV)
14421 - WBNA6 [EPG] added to EchoStar5 129W TP 21 ConUS beam (NA)(Louisville, KY)
14428 - KDRV2 [EPG] added to EchoStar1 148W TP 15 ConUS beam (NA)(Medford, OR)
14439 - KTVL3 [EPG] added to EchoStar1 148W TP 15 ConUS beam (NA)(Medford, OR)
14483 - WKRG3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 12 Spotbeam 07(AL,FL) (NA)(Mobile, AL)
14503 - WDSU2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 23 Spotbeam 12(LA) (NA)(New Orleans, LA)
14535 - WVUE2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 23 Spotbeam 12(LA) (NA)(New Orleans, LA)
14568 - WRDQ2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 01(FL) (NA)(Orlando, FL)
14625 - WUVP2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 12 Spotbeam 04(MA,VT,PA,NY) (NA)(Vineland, NJ)
14669 - WPME2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 23 Spotbeam 08(ME,VT) (NA)(Lewiston, ME)
14748 - WJAR3 [EPG] added to Echostar12 61.5W TP 11 Area 6 beam (NA)(Providence, RI)
14764 - KOTA2 [EPG] added to EchoStar1 148W TP 23 ConUS beam (NA)(Rapid City, SD)
14957 - KSMQ4 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 18 Spotbeam 24(KS,MN,IA,OH,NE) (NA)(Austin, MN)
14970 - KYIN3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 24(KS,MN,IA,OH,NE) (NA)(Mason City, IA)
14976 - WNEP3 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 01 Northeast beam (NA)(Scranton, PA)
14987 - KMTP5 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 43(CA) (NA)(San Francisco, CA)
14992 - KRCB3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 43(CA) (NA)(Cotati, CA)
15034 - KTEH5 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 43(CA) (NA)(San Jose, CA)
15092 - KTVU2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 26 Spotbeam 43(CA) (NA)(Oakland, CA)
15108 - KSIN3 [EPG] added to EchoStar5 129W TP 05 ConUS beam (NA)(Sioux City, IA)
15127 - WCLF2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 01(FL) (NA)(Clearwater, FL)
15135 - WVEA2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 01(FL) (NA)(Tampa, FL)
15146 - KTKA2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 24(KS,MN,IA,OH,NE) (NA)(Topeka, KS)
15148 - KWBU4 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 11(AL,MS) (NA)(Waco, TX)
15155 - WTVX2 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 01 South Florida beam (NA)(Fort Pierce, FL)
15237 - WTVX3 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 01 South Florida beam (NA)(Fort Pierce, FL)
15254 - WTVX4 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 01 South Florida beam (NA)(Fort Pierce, FL)
15272 - WNYT3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 04 Spotbeam 04(MA,VT,PA,NY) (NA)(Albany, NY)
15273 - WRGB2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 04 Spotbeam 04(MA,VT,PA,NY) (NA)(Schenectady, NY)
15274 - KAKM3 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 09 Alaska beam (NA)(Anchorage, AK)
15275 - WJBF3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 09 (NA)(Augusta, GA)
15276 - KXLF2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 29 Spotbeam 37 (NA)(Butte, MT)
15277 - WCIU3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 19 (NA)(Chicago, IL)
15278 - WCIU6 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 19 (NA)(Chicago, IL)
15279 - WBUI2 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 05 Midwest beam (NA)(Decatur, IL)
15280 - KWWL3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 25 Spotbeam 23(IA,WI) (NA)(Waterloo, IA)
15281 - WTVA2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 26 Spotbeam 11(AL,MS) (NA)(Tupelo, MS)
15282 - KQIN1 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 19 (NA)(Davenport, IA)
15283 - KQIN3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 19 (NA)(Davenport, IA)
15284 - KDIN3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 24(KS,MN,IA,OH,NE) (NA)(Des Moines, IA)
15285 - KFOX2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 29 Spotbeam 31 (NA)(El Paso, TX)
15286 - KVAL2 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 01 Northwest beam (NA)(Eugene, OR)
15287 - KAIL2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 04 Spotbeam 38(NV) (NA)(Fresno, CA)
15288 - KWSD2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 23 Spotbeam 32 (NA)(Sioux Falls, SD)
15289 - KNVO3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 29 Spotbeam 17 (NA)(Mcallen, TX)
15290 - KPVI2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 29 Spotbeam 37 (NA)(Pocatello, ID)
15291 - KPVI3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 26 Spotbeam 11(AL,MS) (NA)(Pocatello, ID)
15292 - WJTV3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 23 Spotbeam 03(FL,GA) (NA)(Jackson, MS)
15293 - WJXT2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 23 Spotbeam 03(FL,GA) (NA)(Jacksonville, FL)
15294 - WJXT3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 26 Spotbeam 46(AK) (NA)(Jacksonville, FL)
15295 - KTNL2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 26 Spotbeam 46(AK) (NA)(Sitka, AK)
15296 - KDOC2 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 01 South California beam (NA)(Anaheim, CA)
15297 - KDOC3 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 01 South California beam (NA)(Anaheim, CA)
15298 - KGIN2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 29 Spotbeam 29 (NA)(Grand Island, NE)
15299 - WKBN3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 09 (NA)(Youngstown, OH)

Channel Removals:
5150 - KSWO (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 3 beam(Lawton, OK)
5150 - WDAY (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 01 Area 1 beam(Fargo, ND)
5150 - WKOW (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 05 Area 4 beam(Madison, WI)
5150 - WTVC (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 7 beam(Chattanooga, TN)
5151 - KXJB (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 01 Area 1 beam(Valley City, ND)
5151 - WISC (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 05 Area 4 beam(Madison, WI)
5151 - WYOU (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 6 beam(Scranton, PA)
5152 - KFDX (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 3 beam(Wichita Falls, TX)
5152 - KVLY (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 01 Area 1 beam(Fargo, ND)
5152 - WBRE (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 6 beam(Wilkes-barre, PA)
5152 - WMTV (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 05 Area 4 beam(Madison, WI)
5152 - WRCB (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 7 beam(Chattanooga, TN)
5153 - KJTL (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 3 beam(Wichita Falls, TX)
5153 - KVRR (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 01 Area 1 beam(Fargo, ND)
5153 - WOLF (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 6 beam(Hazleton, PA)
5160 - KXII (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 01 Area 3 beam(Sherman, TX)
5161 - KTEN (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 01 Area 3 beam(Ada, OK)
5162 - KXIID (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 01 Area 3 beam(Sherman, TX)
5170 - KTXS (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 3 beam(Sweetwater, TX)
5170 - WCTI (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 5 beam(New Bern, NC)
5170 - WSYR (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 6 beam(Syracuse, NY)
5170 - WZVN (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 15 Area 2 beam(Naples, FL)
5171 - KTAB (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 3 beam(Abilene, TX)
5171 - WTVH (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 6 beam(Syracuse, NY)
5172 - KRBC (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 3 beam(Abilene, TX)
5172 - WBBH (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 15 Area 2 beam(Fort Myers, FL)
5172 - WITN (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 5 beam(Washington, NC)
5173 - WFXB (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 13 Area 7 beam(Myrtle Beach, SC)
5173 - WFXI (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 5 beam(Morehead City, NC)
5180 - WLAJ (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 4 beam(Lansing, MI)
5182 - WILX (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 4 beam(Onondaga, MI)
5190 - WBND (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 05 Area 4 beam(South Bend, IN)
5191 - KFDM (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 09 Area 3 beam(Beaumont, TX)
5191 - WRGB (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 6 beam(Schenectady, NY)
5191 - WSBT (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 05 Area 4 beam(South Bend, IN)
5192 - KBTV (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 09 Area 3 beam(Sacramento, CA)
5192 - WNDU (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 13 Area 4 beam(South Bend, IN)
5193 - WSJV (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 13 Area 4 beam(Elkhart, IN)
5193 - WXXA (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 6 beam(Albany, NY)
5220 - KXXV (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 11 Area 3 beam(Waco, TX)
5221 - KWTX (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 11 Area 3 beam(Waco, TX)
5223 - KWKT (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 11 Area 3 beam(Waco, TX)
6154 - ISRLI (A) (H) removed from EchoStar3 61.5W TP 27 ConUS beam
6155 - TV5 (A) (H) removed from EchoStar3 61.5W TP 27 ConUS beam
7532 - WEYI (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 4 beam(Saginaw, MI)
7717 - WTJR (A) (H) removed from EchoStar10 110W TP 26 Spotbeam 19 (Quincy, IL)

Channel Moves:
8127 - KLDO2 [MPEG2 SD] moved from EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 17 to EchoStar10 110W TP 29 Spotbeam 17 (NA)(Laredo, TX)

Channel Package Flag Changes:
717 - GMAP [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 20 ConUS beam changed to Available (H)
720 - GMAL [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 20 ConUS beam changed to Available (H)
722 - DZBB [MPEG AUDIO] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 20 ConUS beam changed to Available (H)
723 - DWLS [MPEG AUDIO] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 20 ConUS beam changed to Available (H)

Channel Type Changes:
5862 - SPEC1 EchoStar1 148W TP 19 ConUS beam changed from MPEG2 SD to SD TV (NA)

Channels in the system: 5528
(A) = Available to subscribers
(NA) = Not Available
(H) = Hidden from non-subscribers
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"...anticipating getting HD locals for nearly half a year..."

Norfolk, VA locals(HD) were on the slate for 2006, but due to negotiations w/ LIN, we never got them until this year. I didn't leave, threaten to leave, or jump up & down when they kept being pushed off, it's only TV. And before some one says anything about OTA, those channels aren't available to me OTA because of a LPT directly in my path to them. They are over 100 miles away & the LPT is about 2 miles away running 5KW... sometimes things just take a little longer.
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"...anticipating getting HD locals for nearly half a year..."

Norfolk, VA locals(HD) were on the slate for 2006, but due to negotiations w/ LIN, we never got them until this year. I didn't leave, threaten to leave, or jump up & down when they kept being pushed off, it's only TV. And before some one says anything about OTA, those channels aren't available to me OTA because of a LPT directly in my path to them. They are over 100 miles away & the LPT is about 2 miles away running 5KW... sometimes things just take a little longer.

What has upset some of the posters is that E* led subs to think the DMAs listed would be added. The question is why E* would list those DMAs unless they had signed contracts and expected the uplink facilities to be in place. This is pretty careless business practice in my opinion. E* management has been pretty screwed up the past year. They've pissed subs off with both national HD and HD LiLs and are getting clobbered by D* as a result. Hopefully they won't dig a hole so large they won't be able to climb out before they get it together. They've lost a few subs in my neck of the woods as people have moved to D* for the HD locals that E* doesn't have and haven't made mention of to date.
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What has upset some of the posters is that E* led subs to think the DMAs listed would be added. The question is why E* would list those DMAs unless they had signed contracts and expected the uplink facilities to be in place. This is pretty careless business practice in my opinion.


I agree, Laddyboy!

Hemi and I are in the same DMA. (Thought we were getting it on several occassions and it got removed from the uplink on 9/17.)

The official announcement many in this thread are referring to with an actual date was in the July 10th retailer chat and the screenshot showing July 30th can be seen here: http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-ne...er-chat-recap-july-10-2008-a.html#post1440961

As someone pointed out earlier in this thread, it does say "Planned". I see peoples arguements about things happening causing delays, but this has happened to my DMA AT LEAST 3 times and I have been being told by E* that it would be here "soon" for over a year now. I have contacted the networks in my DMA to find out if there were contract disputes. I was told by some (if not all) of the channels that they already have an agreement for HD locals with E* and didn't know why E* wasn't sending them. While contract disputes are a valid delay for some DMA's, even ones that have contracts and were previously uplinked months ago not only didn't get lit, but recently got removed!

If they are experiencing issues delaying the progress, they should make an announcement as soon as they realize that they aren't making the expected target date. You can argue that it is a "plan", not guaranteed, but many people are making decisions based on the limited information E* gives us. Some have switched dishes or even subscribed to E* based on that info. Maybe I am just bitter from being strung along for so long, but it seems like a pretty poor business practice to me! :mad:
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It's bad business anytime your customers become upset whether it is your fault or not. People who own businesses know this and usually try their best to not overpromise or mislead. I'm curious as to the Retailer Chat info. Is this info that retailers can share with prospective customers or is it just on background for retailers? If a retailer used the info on HD LiLs to grab a customer and then couldn't deliver, that wouldn't be a good thing for that retailer or E*.
B
It would be one thing for E* not to deliver on a "plan" mentioned during a Retailer's Chat. It's another thing to list the same "plan" on the Charlie Chat, viewable by all E* customers and fail to deliver on the publicly announced plan.

Management at E* must also take into account activity in the "blogosphere." I joined this forum, as well as another notable satellite TV forum, looking for news about E* plans. Internet postings on pages like the Echostar Knowledge Base is what helped me to finalize my decision months ago to stay with E* and upgrade to one of their HD packages rather than jumping ship to D*.

If I knew E* would have this much trouble getting some new HD local channels lit I might have made a different decision. D* is adding more HD locals on a steady basis. They're also adding more HD nationals channels. The only area where I see E* holding any sort of lead is by offering all of the HBO channels in HD (last time I checked D* only had 2 or 3 in HD).
mike123abc
Given the large number of markets involved I do not see how it could be station contract issues. Especially since Dish announced the markets already, they probably already had the contracts long ago. I am thinking it is some sort of technical issue (like I mentioned previously). I want to see what they end up putting on E8. Perhaps they will not be able to run enough transponders for all the promised markets since E2 gave up the ghost.
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Peter Parker
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
No idea what improvements might be involved.
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bookworm370
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
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I got the 713 update yesterday.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.
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Bobby
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
This has been an ongoing issue. A fix is coming, probably in the next software version.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I have Dish Hopper and Hopper Plus and also have Alexa Echo. I link the Alex skill to Dish and it asks me to enter the pairing code shown on the TV. I go into Dish Settings and there is no Alexa shown. Not sure what to do.
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HipKat
Guys,
Android is Google. Google is Android. Android OS and Google TV are the same thing.
The Hopper+ and Joey 4's run Android TV, which is Google's television version of Android.
That means under the hood, you have:
  • Linux kernel
  • Android framework
  • Google TV / Android TV interface
  • Google Play Store for TV apps
Alexa is the competition. Google is not going to host their competition.
The old Hopper Carbon UI is NOT Google so that's why Alexa was on there.
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Understood. But here's the rub - Google Assistant setup is ALSO missing from the Hopper Plus setup. I'm a paraplegic.and need to use voice controls as much as possible but I can't press a button on the remote to activate Google Assistant. I prefer ALEXA (or ALEXA+) but I have one older google device and will go that route IF they make it available. BTW calling Dish Customer Service is no help- they just say they have no info on if/when there will be an update.
navychop
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What is the purpose of connecting Alexa and the H3?
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navychop
Tell Alexa verbally what to do.
K
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in TV Shows
Season 2 order already in hand:

'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1

I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.
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K
I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.
Foxbat
Paramount lost a number of the Star Trek creative crew to other projects, like Ron Moore going on to BSG and "For All Mankind". I see Denise and Michael Okuda are also involved with FAM.
K
I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.
Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.
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MikeD-C05
Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.
Yeah, the foot stuff was just nasty. I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less. Funny, I love being shoe less at home and never wear shoes indoors in my home for long, but seeing her laying on all her furniture with her bare feet hanging out just kind of grossed me out.
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harshness
I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less.
Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?
MikeD-C05
Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?
There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure. So walking around the station like she did she would get stuff on her feet. I am sure the robot vacuum is still going to miss stuff, with all those different alien species running around there.
meStevo
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.


View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k


We've literally got a movie already about this ;)


View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc
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meStevo
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.
harshness
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.
meStevo
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
harshness
... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
meStevo
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
harshness
Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.
meStevo
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.
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harshness
This is true of literally anything, though.
Do you think that means we ought to be supporting it as the long-term solution?
Foxbat
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Foxbat
Oops.
dishstaller
Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Down On The Corner - Creedence Clearwater Revival
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Mississippi Squirrel Revival - Ray Stevens
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Bobby
Mississippi Cotton Picking Delta Town - Charley Pride
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Delta Dawn - Tanya Tucker
dishstaller
Can't You See - Marshall Tucker Band
dfergie
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Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Bobby
Regular$6.099​
Premium$6.599​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
Bobby
Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
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I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
dishstaller
Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

Last night it was about $4.17 gas, $6,19 diesel.