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First of all, Happy Holidays to all of our friends here at Satellite Guys!

1. There is something warm and cozy about watching a football game in the snow, or a Monday Night game where the temperature is like zero degrees, from your warm couch.

2. Can someone please take Eric Mangini's pulse? I fear the man is a drone who has been placed here by Patriot fans from another planet. I see more emotion from my Christmas tree.

3. Brett Favre is another emotionless guy on the Jets sideline. Between the two of them their body language looks exactly like the Jets are playing...like they've given up.

4. I may have to amend my declaration that this is the Cav's year. Boston just seems unstoppable...at least in December.

5. Is there anybody out there who WANTS the Lions to lose that 16th game? Not me.

6. Wow, lots of sports not in HD last night. Lakers/Grizzlies, Coyotes/Oilers, Ducks/Canucks. I feel like I need glasses now.

7. The Texeira and Ramirez free agent soap operas have more drama than some of the threads here at Satellite Guys! Seems like Boros, or Manny, or the teams always want to get in the last word...grow up already!!! :D

8. Nice of me to put that whammy on the Nuggets last week, when I announced they had put some space between themselves and the Blazers and Jazz. The space is almost gone!

9. Is your shopping done? I was at a mall last night and it wasn't ridiculously crowded. Just crowded. I don't know if that's good or bad.

10. I hope parents are paying attention to what their teen and pre-teen daughters are wearing these days. My nieces and nephews are athletes and they look, act, and dress like athletes. So do their girlfriends. Or at least they're all respectable. Some of the girls I saw last night should really re-think their wardrobe. Oh my, exactly when did I turn into my mother?!? :)

11. Boise St - TCU tonight in the Poinsietta Bowl is the first must-see bowl game of the season. The next one is the Oklahoma St - Oregon Holiday Bowl matchup next Tuesday.

12. Only two bowl games I really care about New Year's Day, the Rose and Orange. Looks like I'll be watching outdoor hockey in the early afternoon and peek in at the other bowl games.

13. The Texas Stadium 'celebration' after the bitter defeat of Cowboys by the Ravens reminded me of the Shea Stadium celebration right after the Mets were bounced out of the playoffs by the Marlins.

14. Some Lincoln/Kennedy type comparisons between the Mets and Jets this year. Riding high for a while, crashing back to earth only to receive new life, then crashing on their own once again. A team from Miami comes here and ends the Mets' season, and the same can happen to the Jets. I really feel bad for those who are fans of both teams.

15. WWAD? What will Avery do? I still say the best (and perhaps only) fit for him is the Rangers, although a lot would have to happen for that to come to fruition. The Stars would have to take some of Sather's ridiculous contract signings (Redden or Rozsival...or hopefully both) off the Rangers' hands.

16. When did Adrian Peterson turn into a fumble machine?

17. Greg Oden looks facially like he could be Kobe Bryant's grandfather.

18. It was weird catching up with Rudy Gay, OJ Mayo and Mike Conley of the Grizzlies last night. I tend to not watch many games of bad teams (except when they play teams like the Lakers or Celtics), so it's almost like those guys fall off the map for me. Same thing for Kevin Love of the T-Wolves. Is he playing?

19. Wow, Baron Davis must have really been important to the Warriors, huh? Now they can't even get out of their own way. Actually, the biggest problem was bringing in me-first Cory Magette to replace Davis's points. I would never want a guy like Magette on my team.

20. The Yankees have to pay a luxury tax. Yawn. Yankee fans do not care even slightly.

21. IF Eric Mangini survives as coach...a very big if...Romeo Crennel should be the defensive coordinator next year.

22. Is boxing still a sport?

23. Stephen A Smith filling in for Mike and Mike in the morning is a tough listen. Never does one person say so little so loudly.

24. Regardless how you feel about Chizik's hiring at Auburn, I think we can all agree he has about a zero chance to succeed. Everybody is annoyed for one reason or another. It's like reading the Satellite Guys sports forum! ;)

25. I didn't enjoy Casino as much as I wanted to. It was good, I'm glad I watched it, but it wasn't great. Maybe it was Joe Pesci doing a Chicago accent that threw me, I don't know.

26. Blood Diamond on the other hand...excellent movie. Very exciting. Amazing acting by Leonardo Dicaprio and Djimon Hansou. Jennifer Connelly was good, but I'm sure when she's on screen you guys pay attention to things besides her acting. :rolleyes:

27. My favorite TV shows from 2008: Entourage, Dexter, Californication, Friday Night Lights, 30 Rock, Big Bang Theory, Lost, Project Runway, The Shield, Mad Men, John Adams, Generation Kill, Wipeout, Inside the NFL, Little People Big World, Pushing Daisies, The Wire. No spoilers please, with all of the sports I watch I'm still way behind on some of them. My DVR seems to fill up quickly, then I have to start watching.

28. I'm starting to not like these NFL referee crews who stand there and look at each other and don't make a call in a lot of situations. Then they meet and decide later.

29. Manny Ramirez on the Yankees would take a lot of pressure off A-Rod, in more ways than one.

30. Everyone please have a safe and Happy Holiday, and a wonderful 2009.


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28. If you like Wipeout, you should watch the show it rips off, Most Extreme Challenge (MXC) on Spike TV.

I have seen MXC and it's pretty good. I prefer to use the word 'homage' rather than ripoff though. Some things, like the people screaming nonsense before they start, comes directly from MXC. But some things are purely Wipeout, like the Big Balls and the Water challenge at the end. And the two hosts are much funnier than MXC's hosts.


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28. If you like Wipeout, you should watch the show it rips off, Most Extreme Challenge (MXC) on Spike TV.

I have seen MXC and it's pretty good. I prefer to use the word 'homage' rather than ripoff though. Some things, like the people screaming nonsense before they start, comes directly from MXC. But some things are purely Wipeout, like the Big Balls and the Water challenge at the end. And the two hosts are much funnier than MXC's hosts.


Sandra
I'm sorry, but I'll take Kenny Blankenship and Vic Romano over John Henson and John Henderson any day.

The challenges in the end may be different, but there are a LOT of other events that are direct copies of MXC, or rather, Takeshi's Castle. In fact the creators of Takeshi's Castle have sued ABC over the show.
Japanese broadcaster sues ABC over 'Wipeout'--The Live Feed

Even SpikeTV publicly said how the show was a rip off.
Spike TV knocks 'Wipeout' as an 'MXC' ripoff--The Live Feed

Look at the following video if you need more evidence. I mean when I first saw the ads for Wipeout the first thing I thought was, "Oh, are they bringing MXC back?"
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Anyways I don't want to hijack the thread over a long cancelled Japanese game show and a soon to be cancelled ABC game show. That's all I say about all this.
satjay
First of all, Happy Holidays to all of our friends here at Satellite Guys!

1. There is something warm and cozy about watching a football game in the snow, or a Monday Night game where the temperature is like zero degrees, from your warm couch.

I agree nothing like it...Espcially in crystal clear HD



4. I may have to amend my declaration that this is the Cav's year. Boston just seems unstoppable...at least in December.

Well it may be....Its not the piston year

5. Is there anybody out there who WANTS the Lions to lose that 16th game? Not me.

Yes we do. I look at this as the ultimate punishment to an ownership that turns everything to coal, I am hosting a party on sunday to Celebrate 0-16!!


10. I hope parents are paying attention to what their teen and pre-teen daughters are wearing these days. My nieces and nephews are athletes and they look, act, and dress like athletes. So do their girlfriends. Or at least they're all respectable. Some of the girls I saw last night should really re-think their wardrobe. Oh my, exactly when did I turn into my mother?!? :)

I agree...but I also say they the same thing as we get older...we start to sound like our parents

11. Boise St - TCU tonight in the Poinsietta Bowl is the first must-see bowl game of the season. The next one is the Oklahoma St - Oregon Holiday Bowl matchup next Tuesday.

Should be a good one

12. Only two bowl games I really care about New Year's Day, the Rose and Orange. Looks like I'll be watching outdoor hockey in the early afternoon and peek in at the other bowl games.

Ah yes, Wings/Hawks should be a good one

13. The Texas Stadium 'celebration' after the bitter defeat of Cowboys by the Ravens reminded me of the Shea Stadium celebration right after the Mets were bounced out of the playoffs by the Marlins.

Yes...NFL teams going crazy over a win....See Titans

16. When did Adrian Peterson turn into a fumble machine?

17. Greg Oden looks facially like he could be Kobe Bryant's grandfather.



20. The Yankees have to pay a luxury tax. Yawn. Yankee fans do not care even slightly.

"The luxury Tax" That almost works...LOL

23. Stephen A Smith filling in for Mike and Mike in the morning is a tough listen. Never does one person say so little so loudly.

I agree...more insight...Less yelling

30. Everyone please have a safe and Happy Holiday, and a wonderful 2009.

You to...Should be an intresting 09, on a sports front and a social one
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2. Can someone please take Eric Mangini's pulse? I fear the man is a drone who has been placed here by Patriot fans from another planet. I see more emotion from my Christmas tree.

OK, now Mangini has got MY pulse going. This morning, at a press conference, he said they started preparing for the Dolphin game last week. LAST WEEK!!!

They took time out of their preparations for Seattle to focus on the Dolphins. And you know what? The way the team played in Seattle totally proves this out.

This is one of the more bizarre statements in the history of statements.


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1 - I love football in bad weather. BUT, until just a few years ago, the NFL always made sure that the final few weeks' night games were in domes or Florida or California, and played all playoff games in the daytime. Something bad is going to happen someday.

2 & 3 - Jets are a bad team that over-achieved in a bad division.

5 - The NFL PTBs do not. Hopefully the Lions will be sold to compentent ownership when FoMoCo goes under.

11 - Its a shame that these good teams are put into pre-Christmas bowls while fellow mid-majors from the Leastleftovers are put into undeserved major bowls.

12 - The BcS has killed New Year's Day bowls. I'm watching the hockey and the rerun of the parade.

13 - The Cowboys deserve to lose every game from now to the end of time. Texas Stadium was a dump that was misdesigned (the hole in the roof was because the roof could not support the planned dome) and was plagued by mold and dankness, which the TV hype machine never reported. I hope they lose.

22 - I am not a fan of Big Government, but some kind of authority needs to take over boxing and have ONE and ONLY ONE true champion and a legitimate list of contenders in each historical weight class (none of this super this and light that). If not for greed HBO, Showtime and ESPN could simply agree to self-regulation and that would be that. Boxing will stink until most people know who "the champ" is.

23 - I dislike Smith very much. But I like Kusalias (sp?) very much so its a mixed bag. With the SSR-XM merger, I am now torn between M&M and Rivals Radio on Mad Dog. Rivals is a really good show.

24 - Auburn made a huge mistake. Huge. Appears to be booster driven. They will not be heard from for a very long time.

25 - Casino is one of my all time favorite movies, but you have to watch the unedited version to get it.

27 - You know, 15 years from now, what will channels like TBS and TV Land show? There is no good filmed entertainment being made anymore.

30 - Dittos.
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2. Can someone please take Eric Mangini's pulse? I fear the man is a drone who has been placed here by Patriot fans from another planet. I see more emotion from my Christmas tree.
He's not as drone-tastic as Belichick or Greg Popovich- they're the gold standard for boringness among coaches.

5. Is there anybody out there who WANTS the Lions to lose that 16th game? Not me.
Me. I saw 16-0 on TV last year. I will get Lions/Packers as an early game. I have seen nearly everything there is to see in sports I thought would never happen- Rangers, Red Sox, and White Sox break their droughts- and a winless season would be one of them.

7. The Texeira and Ramirez free agent soap operas have more drama than some of the threads here at Satellite Guys! Seems like Boros, or Manny, or the teams always want to get in the last word...grow up already!!! :D
Trust me- those soap operas were NOTHING compared to Favre-gate in the summer.

8. Nice of me to put that whammy on the Nuggets last week, when I announced they had put some space between themselves and the Blazers and Jazz. The space is almost gone!
That is not an easy division, as opposed to the Atlantic, where it's Boston and five midgets.

12. Only two bowl games I really care about New Year's Day, the Rose and Orange. Looks like I'll be watching outdoor hockey in the early afternoon and peek in at the other bowl games.
So, you're not going to watch tOSU in the Fiesta Bowl? It would give you more ammunition to complain about Sweatervest.:D

18. It was weird catching up with Rudy Gay, OJ Mayo and Mike Conley of the Grizzlies last night. I tend to not watch many games of bad teams (except when they play teams like the Lakers or Celtics), so it's almost like those guys fall off the map for me. Same thing for Kevin Love of the T-Wolves. Is he playing?
Reminds me of Calvin Johnson of the Lions or that cornerback on the Raiders salsa raves about with a hard-to-pronounce last name- great players on teams going nowhere!

19. Wow, Baron Davis must have really been important to the Warriors, huh? Now they can't even get out of their own way. Actually, the biggest problem was bringing in me-first Cory Magette to replace Davis's points. I would never want a guy like Magette on my team.
Warriors sold their souls to Satan to beat Dallas in 2007- this season is proving that was a one-time FLUKE!

23. Stephen A Smith filling in for Mike and Mike in the morning is a tough listen. Never does one person say so little so loudly.
Better than some of the boring and dry sports guys I see on TV.

24. Regardless how you feel about Chizik's hiring at Auburn, I think we can all agree he has about a zero chance to succeed. Everybody is annoyed for one reason or another. It's like reading the Satellite Guys sports forum! ;)
Somehow, voters thought, prior to the season, they'd be better than Texas or Texas Tech. I TOLD you they were overrated!

29. Manny Ramirez on the Yankees would take a lot of pressure off A-Rod, in more ways than one.
As we saw in 2006 and 2007, having a galaxy of great hitting means NOTHING if you can't pitch. That's why they got Burnett and C.C.

30. Everyone please have a safe and Happy Holiday, and a wonderful 2009.
All I want for Christmas is a picture of yourself!
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Picked up a sweet directv dish, mount, twin lnbs and a short cable.
Has anyone converted one to FTA? A Frankenstein of sorts...
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I have read that some have converted this type dish but after giving it a good look, it's the lnb conversion that is the bottleneck. Does anyone have a picture of their attempt to configure the lnb? I watched a video on youtube from the save it for parts guy and he used duct tape! Guess it worked but I'm thinking something a bit more permanent!
Thanks to all for your interest and replies...
Titanium
Many of us have used a universal LNBF mount (or get creative with L brackets and plumbers tape - perforated metal strapping). Use a few inches of aluminum tube (or a piece of 1x2" lumber) to extend the support arm (replacing the plastic mount used by DirecTV and Dish) to place the LNBF throat opening at the correct distance from the reflector, the correct height and at the correct angle. Nothing magical... simply place the new linear LNBF in the center at the same distance, height and angle as the current combo.
www.amazon.com/Universal-Single-Bracket-Holder-FTA-US/dp/B074L85WK2
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To add: 101W Ku seems to be (one of if not the) strongest for me, and if I only had Ku I definitely want 101W for the music mux, it's robust FEC and strong signal help a lot. I've thought about using a used Dish/DirectTV dish at my Dads to supplement his OTA (mainly for my benefit when I visit :) )
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I used a 60cm Shaw Satellie dish (60e) with its original dual-LNB. It worked fine for 101W/97W or 99W/103W at that time when weather was fine. But the fade margin was small so rainy weather killed reception or almost so. But it was all free since they're so plentiful so I couldn't complain.
Titanium
A Shaw dish with the linear LNBFs are as rare as hens teeth in the US... :)
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A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.


View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k


We've literally got a movie already about this ;)


View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc
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Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.
harshness
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.
meStevo
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
harshness
... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
meStevo
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
harshness
Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.
meStevo
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.
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Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.
meStevo
Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.

Agents need appropriate context to make what would be understood as the correct read in a situation like that, and that Gemini answer was a clear miss on that front.

That said, we've also seen Musk (and/or his team) put his thumb on the scale (or just release a very poor product) with his own deployed AI since:


In the end, it's all a tool. Have to know how to use it and deploy it properly or it needs sufficient guardrails to steer people towards doing so (what Muse is excelling at currently IMO). I'm routinely interacting with several agents a day operating various processes locally and in services I use, and there are numerous others silently spun up to perform actions or satisfy requests from my prompts.

Related to earlier discussion in the thread on leveraging local inference: this kind of analysis happening behind the scenes is something everyone will have built into Windows, IMO. Most people won't see all of this, just the results, unless they want to dig into how the fix was chosen. Stuff like this will be standard as agents get local system access baked in, and more of the inference itself moves on-device.

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Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.



This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.
You invested in datacenters?
meStevo
You invested in datacenters?


Though, I do have stocks in my portfolio that benefit from data centers.
dishstaller
Too stinking funny...how to fry the mind of AI robo calls


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk3jCuITwcE
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The soundbar/sub is a pickup, also, not a delivery
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Nice setup. I bought a Klipsch sound bar years ago after my daughters blew up all the others....still using it...sound is awesome.
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Anyone making their own breakfast sausage? I've recently been trying different recipes, found some I like, some I've modified...
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Bob Evans Sage.
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Bob Evans Sage.
I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.
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I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.
Kroger stores carry Bob Evans Sage Sausage. For me that means Smiths.

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Kroger stores carry Bob Evans Sage Sausage. For me that means Smiths.

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No Kroger's near me. I live in the heart of Walmart land. The only option besides Walmart is Harp's.
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I live in the heart of Walmart land.
My deepest condolences.
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My deepest condolences.
Surprisingly I moved here from the Gulf Coast due to the heat. But it has been hotter here due to the heat domes than it did down there.
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make homemade dog food to :)
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make homemade dog food to :)
My wife cooks for the dog. Not me, just the dog.
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No idea what improvements might be involved.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
long_time_Dish
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin
Almighty1
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.
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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner
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Oh....you were serious
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So after some heavy research, it looks like the issue I mentioned with the DISH 50.0/52.0/54.x remotes where on the 50.0/52.0 remotes, the dedicated TV Power button or on the 54.x remotes where it is using the TV button on the side followed by Power works correctly on a Hopper 3 which runs Linux but not on a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 which are Android TV (ATV) has to do with the Android TV software itself. In all instances, the remotes had always sent out a dual RF and Infrared signal when the TV Power signal is sent from the remote. The Hopper 3 without the Plus would ignore the incoming RF power packet signal which is identified as a TV-specific toggle event, and does not trigger a system-wide standby state. The Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 as Android TV devices initially worked the same way as well up to sometime in 2025 as there was the legacy pass-through mode in the original software versions used since the Hopper Plus/Joey 4/Wireless Joey 4 launch, the receiver's underlying software essentially ignored the secondary RF payload that the 50.0/52.0/54.x remotes blasted out whenever the TV Power signal was sent. The Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 recognized it was a TV-specific command and discarded the RF packet, letting the standalone IR signal do its job on the tv.

When the software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 were updated in 2025 and newer versions of the software for those Android TV (ATV) devices, it overhauled how the receiver handles remote commands to tighter integrate the Android TV environment which resulted in the software starting to treat any RF power toggle payload as a global command. As the newer software verion(s) no longer filters out the concurrent RF blast from the 50.0/52.0/54.0 remotes, the moment one sends a TV Power signal from the remote, the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 catches that unintended RF payloadand interpets it as a command to drop the system into standby.

The fix is really simple since the Android TV (ATV) software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 just needs to be programmed to drop or ignore the specific RF power packets associated with the TV Power signal sequence.

The problem could also be at the remotes firmware as the remote's firmware has an engineering defect. When you try to turn off the TV, the remote's internal code mistakenly triggers its RF transmitter alongside its IR transmitter. It should only be firing the IR light blast. Because it forces a simultaneous broadcast, the remote's firmware is the original source of the problem.

The Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey firmware has a filtering defect. Good software design dictating peripheral inputs should include "error handling"—rules that tell the system what to do with messy or unintended commands.
• The legacy Hopper 3 firmware has proper error handling; it sees the remote's rogue RF packet and safely ignores it.
• The Android TV firmware in the Hopper Plu, Joey 4 and Wireless lacks this filtering logic. It blindly accepts the rogue RF packet and misinterprets it as a legitimate signal to force the entire system into standby.

If the remote didn't have a firmware bug, it wouldn't send the phantom RF signal. If the Android TV (ATV) device being the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 didn't have a firmware bug, it would cleanly ignore the signal just like the Hopper 3 does.

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dfergie
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Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
dishstaller
Diesel is all over the place around here. Saw it yesterday from $5.37 to $6.17...not sure what the obsession was with ending in 7
dfergie
$4.09 - $4.29, real gas $4.69...
harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Foxbat
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.
Bobby
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.
Winter blend is cheaper than Summer blend.
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Ok, I'm bored .... actually - to be more precise - I'm bored of eating the same rotation of 9 or 10 meals that are currently my "go-to" meals. My wife works the long hours - I work from home as and when i feel like it ... which means i generally do most of the cooking ... and so by default - i also make out the shopping list ...

We cook at home 5 or even 6 nights a week - but we always seem to fall back on the same old tried and tested "quick and easy but tastes ok" meals. Week in week out.

Pot Roast - mash and Peas.
Spaghetti
Chicken Pasta in cheese sauce.
Curry & rice
(these are some of mine)

Now it's not that I'm not adventurous in the kitchen ... I'll try anything once or twice ... but we all do it. Unless your name is Martha Stewart or Rachel Ray .. we all eventually fall back on our 8-10 favorite "meals"

So i thought - if we shared some of our own go-to meals with each other ... we might be able to add a few "new" ones to our own arsenal of meals.

So again - I ask you ...

What's for dinner tonight ?

Please give me something new to add to my rotation ... its our weekly shop tomorrow - so i want to pull together a few idea's and try and eat a meal each day next week that I've never had before .. or at least something that is not on my current "go-to" meal plan.

What meal do you always seem to fall back on in your house ? Maybe its something that I've never tried or not had in a while. I need inspiration !! I've got a blank shopping list in front of me - and nothing sounds good .. HELP !
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Bobby
Chili Cheesebugers, Tater Tots.
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TRG
I made shrimp parmesan with spaghetti and a salad.
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venison lasagna
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dishstaller
Smoked some salmon on the grill while enjoying some Blue Moon beer. Kinda cool tonight so I fired up the heaters. Here in FL, we fire up heaters once the temps get below 60 :cool As for the salmon, I seared them first, then flipped them off to the side not over the coals and brushed on some lemon pepper marinade followed by some salmon seasoning. Threw some hickory chips on the coals and then closed the vents to about 10% airflow. Yum.
TRG
TRG
Light dinner tonight before fasting for blood-work tomorrow. Salad and a half turkey sandwich. Water.