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Hello everyone,

I am looking to set up an external antenna to my existing setup.
My existing setup is 2 VIP722 DVRs with HD Programming, 4 room setup. I have went and bought 4 Holland DPD2 Diplexers. I was hoping to possibly get OTA on both receivers. I will start from the sat to reciever. I have 2 diplexers installed before the cable from the satellite reaches the grounder. Sat cable is connected to Sat port on diplexer. I then have the diplxers connected with a 3 foot cable to the grounder. Those cables are connected the the one port side IN/OUT. From there the cable runs all the way to the receivers where the other 2 diplexer are installed. I have the cables connected to the single port side IN/OUT on those diplexers. I then have 3 foot cables connected on the Sat port to the splitter which dish had installed. Is this the correct way to set this up? I get no signal on the screen. I am using all RG6 cable. Not sure what else to do. If anybody can help or guide me through this I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks in advanced.
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Up and Running

When I exteneded my RG6 on one of the runs, appearently the coax I got was only rated to 1000. Today I went out and bought some RG6U that said on the cable it was rated 2350. That solved my issue and now I can watch Local HD channels free. I appreciate the reply and hopefully this helps others. Thanks again.
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When I exteneded my RG6 on one of the runs, appearently the coax I got was only rated to 1000. Today I went out and bought some RG6U that said on the cable it was rated 2350. That solved my issue and now I can watch Local HD channels free. I appreciate the reply and hopefully this helps others. Thanks again.
Most likely the previous cable was simply defective, shorted or one or both of the connectors were defective or improperly installed.

RG6 is RG6. Whether it says "sweep tested" or whatever on the jacket is of no consequence. I say again, of no consequence. RG6 is RG6. I would agree that there may be "better quality" RG6 from a grade of materials standpoint available from premium manufacturers such as Belden, Times Wire & Cable, Commscope or Andrew, but aside from that all RG6 whether std. shield, tri-shield, quad-shield, digital-video rated, air plenum-rated, flooded, messenger, siamese, or any combination has the approximate same RF signal propagation characteristics. If you have coaxial cable which exhibits substantially different signal propagation (loss) characteristics than RG6, then it's not RG6. All RG6 has virtually identical RF signal propagation characteristics. "RG" stands for "Radio Grade" and the designation "6" refers to its physical construction parameters. Among these "parameters" is a solid 18 gauge center conductor (wire). All RG6 has an 18-gauga center conductor. The center conductor may be solid copper or copper-clad steel, but this difference has no effect on the RF signal attenuation (loss) or its suitability for use at any specific frequency or band of frequencies.

"Sweep-tested" RG6 cable means simply that it's been tested. It does not mean that it has been manufacturerd to any different tolerances than any other ordinary off-the-spool RG6.

To say that you must have a specific type of RG6 for use with the DBS satellite services is also nonsense. The only parameter which may be of possible concern would be whether the cable has a solid copper center conductor or a copper-clad steel center conductor. The solid copper is better in applications where a "control voltage" is being passed over the cable to control a multiswitch or to power an inline amplifier or an LNB. But even in these applications, the solid copper center conductor is only useful for long cable runs (typically those over 100 feet) and has nothing to do with the receive signal level or the frequency of signal it will pass.
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To say that you must have a specific type of RG6 for use with the DBS satellite services is also nonsense.

Please tell that to Dish and Direct then. :D
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It's marketing hype. They both use "sweep-tested" but otherwise plain, ordinary RG6 with the exact same RF signal loss characteristics as the stuff you can buy at Radios Hack, Home Depot, Lowes, etc. RG6 is RG6, period. Look up the frequency & loss characteristics.

Boys and girls, listen to me. I have nothing to gain by lying to you. I am telling you the truth. I promise you by all things holy, there is no difference in the signal propagation characteristics. The stuff at Radios Hack, etc will pass a 3000 Mhz signal equally well as the stuff coming off the spool in the back of the satellite truck.

The only possible difference would be that one might have a solid copper center conductor, but from a signal standpoint the cables are identical. Don't buy into this hype others are feeding you. (for goodness sake don't buy Monster Cable either)

RG6 coax, no matter who makes it, no matter what it says on the jacket and no matter whether it has a solid copper 18guage center conductor or a copper-clad steel 18 guage center conductor, is still RG6. ALL RG6 coax (in good condition) will exhibit approx 11.45 db loss per 100 ft at 3,000 Mhz That's just the nature of RG6. (RG59, by comparison exhibits approx 14.29 db of loss at 3000 Mhz).

If you're looking for good coax for a greater distance, consider RG 7 (9 db loss per 100 ft @ 3000 Mhz) or RG 11 (7.8 db loss per 100 ft @ 3000 Mhz)

RG6 coax marked or stampped as being "certified to 3000 Mhz" is the exact same coax it was before the manufacturer put those markings on it. It is not manufacturered to any higher quality standards. It's RG6!!!
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losing signal and is a long run.

good subject had a problem over 150 ft run what should i do for lost
signal over time like every 5 min. cable is rg7,one union,in line.
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good subject had a problem over 150 ft run what should i do for lost
signal over time like every 5 min. cable is rg7,one union,in line.
If things were originally OK and as you say over time have deteriorated, there are several things to check
  • Start by disconnecting the coax from the receiver (to remove the voltage from the line)
  • Then take the coupling (union) apart and look for corrosion or evidence of moisture.
  • Use a pocket knife to scrape the center conductor (should be clean and bright)
  • Apply silicone grease to the threads (only) and wrench tighten (not overly tight, but more than just finger tight)
  • similarly, check the connectors at the antenna (dish) and the receiver
  • Similarly, check connectors at the ground block, also check the ground block itself for moisture or corrosion
  • Check the alignment of your antenna (dish) & rigidity of the mount
  • on satellite systems check the face of the LNB for cracks or damage; replace the LNB if damaged
  • also check for new tree or shrubbery growth into your signal path.
Can coax go bad? Yes, over time it can. However, the most common cause is damage. Moisture can seep into the cable at the connector or at any location where the outer jacket has been abraded or punctured. Also look for any sharp bends or points along the cable that have been stapled down or any kinks. Any pinch-point or sharp bend can (over time) cause the center conductor to migrate, affecting the impedance and loss characteristics. Never use a staple gun to attach coaxial cable to rafters or studs, floor joists, etc. Never use a auto-tensioning type of tie-wrap gun to cinch-down cable ties (ie, don't mash or crush the cable) Occasionally just the simple act of unscrewing the connector, unplugging it and then plugging it back in and retightening it can clear up a problem. Coax that's allowed to lay on the roof may over time get abrasion damage from the friction of the wind blowing it around on the shingles.

If signals are coming and going every few minutes, you may have an intermittent problem such as a loose connector (either loose threads or loose connector installation on the coax itself.)

If your outside coax is 4 years old or older, consider replacing it, especially if it is buried underground. All coax used in direct burial (meaning not inside a conduit or raceway) should be "flooded coax". Flooded coax has a (patented) gooey waxy substance between the outer jacket and core sheath that is impervious to moisture. It can be quite messy to work with and unfortunately almost no one uses it.(compare to buried telephone cables which almost always use it) Never use colored (ie, white) coax in direct sunlight. It will deteriorate quickly.

During daylight hours certain times of the year it is common to experience solar fade. This phenomena occurs typically twice a year for a few minutes over a 2~3 day cycle when the sun is in precise compass alignment with the satellite. There is nothing you can do about this.

If yours is a new installation of an "Eastern Arc" system and you're experiencing periodic video breakup, contact Dish Network.
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
The title was to catch everyone's eye lol! But it is a thought I've been having as I dev a Roku app for a client. You see many MAAANY years ago I got really interested in cable TV channels and even chatted with a regional carrier, Insight about what it took to get a channel number. It was surprisingly easy although prohibitively expensive.



You could petition, reserve a high channel number, they monitored performance and if they liked you, you'd get lower channel number overtime and cut into ad overlays.



Roku has a similar setup. Make an app, if it has a strong, original linear component you could get channel assignment on The Roku Channel.



As mixed as my feelings are on the current media landscape, I can't help but feel a little excited interest when I scope out the apps in the Roku store.
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navychop
Hmmm. I think Roku will last. But will Firestick? With their backing, I guess so. Apple TV STB? Of Course. Walmart? Seems someone ought to go, but with their backing?….

Off brands have, as probably expected, very short lives.
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Hmmm. I think Roku will last. But will Firestick? With their backing, I guess so. Apple TV STB? Of Course. Walmart? Seems someone ought to go, but with their backing?….

Off brands have, as probably expected, very short lives.
All of those services have FAST Channels. FAST is a linear online broadcast stndrd. You notice how their linear channels all have some overlap? They are gettting paid for every second those streams are up without really having to do their own accounting. Best part is they don't even facilitate any of the stream bandwidth. Over glorified app stores on some android hardware. No reason NOT to stay in the game.
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Season 2 order already in hand:

'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1

I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.
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harshness
Females wearing any clothing is unthinkable on Ferenginar.
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Females wearing any clothing is unthinkable on Ferenginar.
Was never a huge of the Ferengi-centric episodes in Trek...
Jimbo
Was never a huge of the Ferengi-centric episodes in Trek...
Me either ...
They turned out to be a Poor adversary ....
Foxbat
They got their proper due on "Deep Space Nine"
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long_time_Dish
They got their proper due on "Deep Space Nine"
And too many episodes centering on/around them as well...
JSheridan
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.
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Foxbat
Unless Dish acquires DirecTV and its mid-USA satellite slots, I may not have Dish Network to reach 40 years. Or, I guess we could buy a new house…
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Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.
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Jimbo
Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.
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Mister B
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.
Jimbo
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.
Not many are watching.
Majority are watching the same shows in HD or 4K
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Unless Dish acquires DirecTV and its mid-USA satellite slots, I may not have Dish Network to reach 40 years. Or, I guess we could buy a new house…
have charlie buy you a new house :biggrin :clapping
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Well, I didn't immediately think of broadcast, where there are all kinds of digital "subchannels"- I remember back when digital broadcast began that supposedly the 6mhz channel would likely support just 1 HD program and that the added subchannels would likely have to remain SD. I don't watch enough broadcast to know. Are there a lot of the subchannels in SD-only, and how do they do that, like are they in 4:3 or some kind of low-res widescreen?
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Foxbat
have charlie buy you a new house :biggrin :clapping
Unfortunately, I don't think my social proximity to Charle Ergen provides any special perks. Maybe if Foxbat, Jr. were to marry his daughter…🤞🏻🤣
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Unfortunately, I don't think my social proximity to Charle Ergen provides any special perks. Maybe if Foxbat, Jr. were to marry his daughter…🤞🏻🤣
that would be one hell of a convo :biggrin.
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Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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I looked for wrecked trains on ebay and those are hard to find too!
Almighty1
I remember this in the news too...

Bobby
I remember this in the news too...

That is a misnomer. In the old days you subscribed to telephone service. That included the telephone line and one telephone. An extension cost $1 a month extra. So that $14,000 over 42 years was for the service not the leased telephone. There is no way they paid $28 a month for 42 years for a leased telephone.
SuperDish_Fan23
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
Whoever still has their 922, please let me know i just wanna see photos of the ui and other stuff
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Whoever still has their 922, please let me know i just wanna see photos of the ui and other stuff

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wL6dsORmXg
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Slicker guides never did much for me
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Almighty1
That is a misnomer. In the old days you subscribed to telephone service. That included the telephone line and one telephone. An extension cost $1 a month extra. So that $14,000 over 42 years was for the service not the leased telephone. There is no way they paid $28 a month for 42 years for a leased telephone.
Good point as part of that time mentioned was before I was even alive.

While reports from the family's case focused entirely on the equipment rental charges, media records show that Ester Strogen originally started by paying $29.95 per quarter ($9.98 per month) in the 1960s for her combined telephone connection.
The actual base cost for standard residential telephone service over a 42-year period (spanning roughly 1964 to 2006) reveals how basic connection costs evolved compared to the equipment rental fees:

Historical Phone Service Rates
  • 1960s – 1970s Base Rate: Standard local phone service was heavily subsidized and tightly regulated under the Bell System monopoly. A basic landline package with unlimited local calling typically cost between $5.00 and $10.00 per month.
  • 1980s – 2000s Post-Deregulation Rate: Following the AT&T divestiture in 1984, base line service rates steadily climbed due to the introduction of subscriber line charges, touch-tone fees, and local infrastructure adjustments. By 2006, basic flat-rate local residential phone service hovered around $15.00 to $25.00 per month (excluding long-distance packages and taxes).
The True Lifetime Service Bill

Assuming an average baseline connection fee of roughly $12.00 a month over that 42-year span, the line connectivity itself would have realistically accumulated to approximately $6,000 in raw cash payouts.
When you bundle the actual service costs together with the escalating equipment rental fees, the total cumulative out-of-pocket phone expenses over those four decades easily crossed $12,000 to $14,000. Long-distance phone calls—which were billed entirely by the minute back then and could cost up to 15 to 30 cents per minute—would add significantly more to that historical total depending on usage.

The widely publicized calculation stems from a viral news story from 2006 involving a widow named Ester Strogen. Her family discovered she had been continuously leasing two rotary dial telephones from AT&T for 42 years.
The total cost—which actually came out to more than $14,000 by the time the lease was canceled—was calculated based on the following legacy telecom structure:
  • The Monthly Fee: At the time her granddaughters discovered the charges, the ongoing leasing fee was $29.10 per month for the two outdated phones.
  • The Math: Over 42 years (504 months), paying roughly $24 to $30 a month accumulates to between $12,000 and $14,600 ($29.10 × 504 months = $14,666.40).
Why did this happen?
Prior to the landmark breakup of AT&T ("Ma Bell") in 1984, consumers were legally not allowed to own their phones; they were required to lease them directly from the phone company.
When the laws changed and phone ownership became legal, AT&T spun off its rental division into a company called QLT Consumer Lease Services. Millions of customers, particularly elderly individuals who were used to seeing a single unified phone bill, simply never realized that the small recurring "equipment lease" line-item could be canceled by buying a cheap phone at a retail store.

Yes, leasing absolutely cost that much in reality, and the math is entirely accurate. However, the calculations performed by the family did contain one major historical nuance: they multiplied the final 2006 rate across all 42 years, which means the actual total cash paid out was likely a bit lower.
The original viral story focused on 82-year-old widow Ester Strogen from Canton, Ohio, who paid $29.10 a month for two black rotary phones until her family intervened in July 2006.
The reality behind how the cost reached that staggering total breaks down into two distinct phases:

Phase 1: The Historical Base Rate (1960s – 1984)

When Strogen first got the phones in the 1960s, renting was a legal mandate and cost a fraction of the 2006 price—usually just a few dollars a month.
  • The "Insurance" Mirage: In exchange for that fee, Ma Bell promised free, lifetime maintenance. If the phone broke, they replaced it instantly at no extra cost.
  • The Cost-Plus Reality: Because these solid-state phones were built like tanks out of heavy plastic and steel, they almost never broke. Consumers paid a continuous premium for decades for a repair service they rarely used.
Phase 2: The Deregulation Rate Hikes (1984 – 2006)

After AT&T was forced to break up its monopoly in 1984, the rental side of the business was shifted to Lucent Technologies and later a legacy holding company. To maximize profit off a shrinking customer base, they steadily increased the monthly rental fees over the next 20 years.
  • By 2006, the rental cost had quietly ballooned to roughly $14.55 per phone per month.
  • When the family discovered the $29.10 monthly charge, they looked back at the 42-year span and estimated the collective loss at over $14,000.
Even adjusted for historical inflation—where $2 a month in 1964 had the purchasing power of roughly $20 today—Ester Strogen and hundreds of thousands of other elderly Americans realistically paid thousands of dollars out-of-pocket for standard desk phones they could have purchased at retail for $10.

The exact out-of-pocket dollar amount Ester Strogen paid over those 42 years was never publicly determined, as neither AT&T nor the family had access to monthly billing records stretching all the way back to the 1960s.
The figures reported in the media are entirely mathematical estimates based on the 2006 rate. The two primary numbers used to define the "cost" are:
  • The Stated Media Total: More than $14,000.
  • The Exact Family Formula: $14,666.40. This was derived by taking her final recorded bill of $29.10 per month and multiplying it across the full 42 years (504 months).
What the True Cash Cost Likely Was

Because AT&T did not charge $29.10 a month back in 1964, the true historical cash sum she handed over was lower than $14,000. In the 1960s and 1970s, basic phone lease fees were generally bundled into standard service or itemized at just $1.00 to $2.00 a month per phone.
If we realistically assume she paid lower base rates for the first 20 years before the post-1984 deregulation price hikes took effect, a realistic estimate of the actual cash paid is between $5,000 and $7,000.

The Real Cost When Adjusted for Inflation

While the family's $14,000 calculation overestimates the raw cash paid, it actually underestimates the true economic damage when factoring in the time value of money.
Paying $2.00 a month for equipment in 1964 sounds minor, but due to severe inflation during the 1970s, those early single dollars had the purchasing power of roughly $20.00 each in 2006 terms. If you adjust every historical lower monthly payment upward to account for inflation, Ester Strogen realistically lost the equivalent of well over $15,000 in modern purchasing power by renting instead of buying.
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Slicker guides never did much for me
me either. sometimes it seems like things disappear when they start changing sh*t around :biggrin
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I looked for wrecked trains on ebay and those are hard to find too!
you would be better off looking in ca for a train wreck to nowhere :biggrin :p
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jcrandall
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Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Programming Forum
So...DirecTV advertises the Choice package with 95+ bonus channels for Satellite customers. You don't want 90+ of the 95...

Excluding PPV, premium networks, infomercial, shopping, religion, and non-English programming, there are 7 channels on satellite that are not on streaming:
NFL Network, MavTV, FE TV, Free Speech, NASA, INSP, and Pursuit. I'm pretty sure a couple of those are public interest that they have to carry to meet an FCC quota on satellite.

I hope they get called out for this advertising because that is ridiculous. One big network, NFL, will probably get added to streaming when their next agreement comes up, and the rest are likely very low viewership.

What about streaming, what do you get extra with the Choice package that isn't on Satellite:
Two stations - one of which is an internet TV - Fox Weather, and Heros & Icons (a diginet). Nothing special here to look at either.

If they cleaned up a couple of their agreements, added a few public interest stations to streaming, they could probably have their lineups match. It's close now, if you take out all the garbage on satellite that they earn money on. If they can sell infomercials on satellite, why can't they on streaming, seems like a miss. A bigger miss, including those stations in the "bonus channels just for satellite customers." Pretty sad marketing right there.

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Attached is a comparison sheet of satellite vs streaming for the three main packages if anyone is interested.

MOD EDIT: See Post #3 for an up to date list of what channels are available on sat but not on streaming/internet, see Post #21 for an up to date list of what's available in the app for streaming customers, but not for sat customers.
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WNPX/28 Nashville (The new home of the Predators) and WMYD/20 Detroit (the new home of the Pistons) are testing on the stream server.
harshness
One might get the impression that what DIRECTV does, or doesn't, is becoming far less consequential than it used to be.
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One might get the impression that what DIRECTV does, or doesn't, is becoming far less consequential than it used to be.
K
WPLG/10 Miami is now available to stream customers

The CW stations WCWW/25 South Bend and WBKP/5 Marquette are testing on the stream server

Last week they also added a bunch of CW stations that are still not available to sat customers:
WETM-DT/19 Elmira
WJET-DT/25 Erie
KLFY-DT/11 Lafayette LA
KARD-DT/15 Monroe
WVBT-DT/44 Norfolk
WTWO-DT/3 Terre Haute
WFXV-DT/34 Utica
KFDX-DT/4 Wichita Falls
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Well, that was fast ! DTV Stream brought back WTCN's HD signal today.

I have to assume the station signing up a week ago as the Miami Heat affiliate here (to carry their games) did the trick. NBA magic !!!

Or the station engineer took care of the problem after hearing about it.
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WNPX/28 Nashville (The new home of the Predators) and WMYD/20 Detroit (the new home of the Pistons) are testing on the stream server.
Channel 28 Nashville hasn't been added so far, correct?
K
WNPX Nashville and WMYD Detroit were added to stream about 2 months ago.

They also now have PRDTRS/651 for those in Predators territory outside of the Nashville DMA and PISTONS/663-2 for those in Pistons territory outside of the Detroit DMA.
TheForce
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Last reply · posted in The Phone & Tablet Zone
Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.
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comfortably_numb
Can't remember if I've posted this yet..


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfL5seXJyWU
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Foxbat
If you ponied up for an iPhone Duo, keep it away from anything other than your soft, fleshy fingertips. No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter. And don't bend it more than it needs to. Zack has destroyed $2,000 of Apple hardware to get those views, which should cover his expenses.
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No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter

And definitely no medieval chain armor!
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harshness
medieval chain armor
Aka "mail" or "maille".
Foxbat
IFixIt has published their Teardown and they had some positive things to say about the iPhone Duo. It still showed some dust ingress into the hinge assembly but seemed otherwise well-sealed.
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But with a considerable number of reports of the main screen dying with similar failures, AppleCare+ should be a no-brainer for this phone.
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most carriers do. that's why they send updates that slow phones down!! i buy unlocked phones no effect to me
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IFixIt has published their Teardown and they had some positive things to say about the iPhone Duo. It still showed some dust ingress into the hinge assembly but seemed otherwise well-sealed.
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But with a considerable number of reports of the main screen dying with similar failures, AppleCare+ should be a no-brainer for this phone.

hope you have apple care a screen job is 1000.00 :oops:. can we say over priced garbage!!!
meStevo
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Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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rvvaquero
Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
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Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.
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b4pjoe
Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.
Jerry made himself General Manager after he bought the team but make no mistake Jimmy engineered that trade. As well as a lot of others at the time.
rvvaquero
Jimmy Johnson is a football guy. Jerry Jones is a marketer (hustler).

When I see a football player get a 15 yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct (like taunting) in a close game, I often wonder what he was thinking. Was he thinking, I'm doing everything I can to make this a better team and help win a championship? Or, was he saying to himself, I want everyone to notice how great I am?

Johnson inspires one, Jones the other.
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Got to unfurl and hold the flag at Allegiant for the anthem today - amazing experience.
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