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When I was a child we had a 10 foot mesh dish, back in the late 80's when everyone did. I looked at the guy named gary burgoris website and he had a wild feed list and ballgame list! Man, I wish all these were still ITC today! I liked analog better because you dont have to wait! I know there are more channels nowdays, however, I bet the feeds arent as good! Do any of you guys feel that way?
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dougbrown
No to be one to complain, but back then you could find listings of wild feeds updated weekly in OnSat and Orbit. Now is verboten to speak of these things...
dfergie
No to be one to complain, but back then you could find listings of wild feeds updated weekly in OnSat and Orbit. Now is verboten to speak of these things...
I got mine (that I didn't find on my own)from SatelliteTVWeek, Orbit was a once a month deal and was always dated...
C
Ok, you folks are making me "home sick" for C-Band again. My wife used to watch her soap opera (Days of our Lives) the day before it came on with no commericals. Wild news feeds, NASA Channel before it went to small dish, Sci Fi same reason (comcast in FL wouldn't carry it). Picture quality during rain and just plain picture quality. For more I will have to go out and unbury some old OnSat mags.

Jeff
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Great stories from some C-Band old-timers...keep them coming please!!!

Since I was too young too dabble in this technology in the 1980s, could some of you old-timers enlighten us some more? I have a few questions:

1. Specifically, what premium channels were available in the early 1980s? How many?
2. Were adult channels actually broadcast in the clear? Wasn't that illegal?
3. What was the video quality like? Were the analog broadcasts "noisy" or crystal clear? I know there was no HD back then, but how did the image quality compare with say MPEG-2 SD today?
4. How many C-band dishes do you think were sold in the 1980s? Who were the big players in this business? I have heard Dish CEO Charlie Ergen was the biggest - is this true or urban myth?
5. When was encryption introduced? Was is hacked and how successful was the hack? Did C-band completely die after encryption?

Finally, just a hypothetical question, what if ALL C-band premium channels were opened up today, either by government legislation opposing cable/small dish monopolies or by a hack, do you think C-band would take off again? Would people be sufficiently motivated to install BUDs again?

I was only a boy in the early 1980s when I started to see these black mesh dishes going up all over the place...I had no clue what they were for, in fact, I always thought budding scientists were putting them up to study the Universe or something. Now that I think about it, more than likely all my neighbours were not in fact amateur astronomers but probably perverts pulling in porn!
J
We got our first satellite setup, a Birdview dish with separate receiver/positioner in 85, the summer before HBO began VCII encryption. It was purchased because we had moved to the country from the city, and my dad got irritated with spending a lot of money on weekly VHS rentals. (The pre-Blockbuster days when it cost you a few dollars for a VHS or Beta rental for one night or a 48 hour rental if you rented on Saturday evenings.)

Our main fun times came when my mother would position the dish to Telstar 301, Transponder 9 on Friday nights to let us the old WOLD Communications transponder to watch the feed for the original Thundercats to stations when Lorimar-Telepictures used WOLD to feed their shows before they got their own transponder in the late 80s. She'd let us stay up after that to watch Silverhawks when that was on, followed by Wheel of Fortune feeds and anything else that would come down the line. On Saturdays, she'd reposition it back on T301 and let us watch WOLD's block feeds for Heathcliff and Inspector Gadget for LBS all Saturday afternoons after the morning cartoons would end. WOLD seemed to pretty much feed everything out for all the syndicators back in the day over two little T301 transponders (9 and 23), and if I recall correctly they had a Westar 4 transponder too.

The Birdview was joined in the summer of 86 by a VCII descrambler because my dad wanted HBO. In 87, the original Birdview units were replaced by a single Birdview receiver, and that conked out after a year and the whole system was replaced by a Houston Tracker V. The Tracker lasted for the remainder of the C-Band days until it was hit by lightning and replaced by a Dish Network system that survives to this day. As I got older, I used to spend Friday nights and an occasional Saturday night in their bedroom while my dad was working just channel surfing...watching everything like an RTP newsfeed from the Azores on Friday nights on Westar 4/Galaxy 6/Galaxy 4, the PBS feeds on W4 and later Spacenet 1 and Spacenet 4. My mother would freak out if we left it on Spacenet 1 (the former home of American Exxatsy before GTE shut it off in 90) or Satcom F4, 24 (where Playboy was for years.) And he kept the old VCII module in there for years....until he was finally forced to upgrade it to a VC-RS module. The Birdview dish remained unused in the backyard until it was finally taken down and hauled off about six years ago. I tried to get my dad to have it entirely rebuilt and reset and to get a 4DTV system but he was convinced that C-Band was worthless. And I also tried to talk him into selling the dish itself, but he was convinced that it was worthless junk and he had it hauled off for scrap :-(
bobvick
Great stories from some C-Band old-timers...keep them coming please!!!

Since I was too young too dabble in this technology in the 1980s, could some of you old-timers enlighten us some more? I have a few questions:

1. Specifically, what premium channels were available in the early 1980s? How many?
2. Were adult channels actually broadcast in the clear? Wasn't that illegal?
3. What was the video quality like? Were the analog broadcasts "noisy" or crystal clear? I know there was no HD back then, but how did the image quality compare with say MPEG-2 SD today?
4. How many C-band dishes do you think were sold in the 1980s? Who were the big players in this business? I have heard Dish CEO Charlie Ergen was the biggest - is this true or urban myth?
5. When was encryption introduced? Was is hacked and how successful was the hack? Did C-band completely die after encryption?

Finally, just a hypothetical question, what if ALL C-band premium channels were opened up today, either by government legislation opposing cable/small dish monopolies or by a hack, do you think C-band would take off again? Would people be sufficiently motivated to install BUDs again?

I was only a boy in the early 1980s when I started to see these black mesh dishes going up all over the place...I had no clue what they were for, in fact, I always thought budding scientists were putting them up to study the Universe or something. Now that I think about it, more than likely all my neighbours were not in fact amateur astronomers but probably perverts pulling in porn!
I know this is old, but if you really want to know about TVRO in the 1979-1987 period go to Mike Kohl's homepage (global-cm.net) and click on "Bob Cooper Archives." There you will find among other interesting information "Coop's Satellite Digest" from 1979 to August 1987 when publication ended. Also, I would recommend Bob Cooper's book "Television's Pirates: Hiding Behind Your Picture Tube" excellent book and interesting reading for sure.


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We got our first satellite setup, a Birdview dish with separate receiver/positioner in 85, the summer before HBO began VCII encryption. It was purchased because we had moved to the country from the city, and my dad got irritated with spending a lot of money on weekly VHS rentals. (The pre-Blockbuster days when it cost you a few dollars for a VHS or Beta rental for one night or a 48 hour rental if you rented on Saturday evenings.)

Our main fun times came when my mother would position the dish to Telstar 301, Transponder 9 on Friday nights to let us the old WOLD Communications transponder to watch the feed for the original Thundercats to stations when Lorimar-Telepictures used WOLD to feed their shows before they got their own transponder in the late 80s. She'd let us stay up after that to watch Silverhawks when that was on, followed by Wheel of Fortune feeds and anything else that would come down the line. On Saturdays, she'd reposition it back on T301 and let us watch WOLD's block feeds for Heathcliff and Inspector Gadget for LBS all Saturday afternoons after the morning cartoons would end. WOLD seemed to pretty much feed everything out for all the syndicators back in the day over two little T301 transponders (9 and 23), and if I recall correctly they had a Westar 4 transponder too.

The Birdview was joined in the summer of 86 by a VCII descrambler because my dad wanted HBO. In 87, the original Birdview units were replaced by a single Birdview receiver, and that conked out after a year and the whole system was replaced by a Houston Tracker V. The Tracker lasted for the remainder of the C-Band days until it was hit by lightning and replaced by a Dish Network system that survives to this day. As I got older, I used to spend Friday nights and an occasional Saturday night in their bedroom while my dad was working just channel surfing...watching everything like an RTP newsfeed from the Azores on Friday nights on Westar 4/Galaxy 6/Galaxy 4, the PBS feeds on W4 and later Spacenet 1 and Spacenet 4. My mother would freak out if we left it on Spacenet 1 (the former home of American Exxatsy before GTE shut it off in 90) or Satcom F4, 24 (where Playboy was for years.) And he kept the old VCII module in there for years....until he was finally forced to upgrade it to a VC-RS module. The Birdview dish remained unused in the backyard until it was finally taken down and hauled off about six years ago. I tried to get my dad to have it entirely rebuilt and reset and to get a 4DTV system but he was convinced that C-Band was worthless. And I also tried to talk him into selling the dish itself, but he was convinced that it was worthless junk and he had it hauled off for scrap :-(

Newbie here...

I remember watching Redskins games on T301 or T302. They were CBS, so that's where most of my games were. One week i kept moving the dish between the Redskins game and the Arizona/Denver game. The Broncos pulled out a close game at Mile High. Sometimes, if the game i wanted to see was NBC, i'd use K2/K1 or SBS6 instead.
D
Ok, you folks are making me "home sick" for C-Band again. My wife used to watch her soap opera (Days of our Lives) the day before it came on with no commericals. Wild news feeds, NASA Channel before it went to small dish, Sci Fi same reason (comcast in FL wouldn't carry it). Picture quality during rain and just plain picture quality. For more I will have to go out and unbury some old OnSat mags.

Jeff
I used to do that too with "Days of Our Lives" too. Since my mom's soaps were ABC, but i was really into "Days" in those days, i'd watch that feed early in the morning.
D
Most of my NFL games were NBC, but sometimes they'd use SBS6 for backhauls. K1 or K2 though were most likely.
wvman
I got mine (that I didn't find on my own)from SatelliteTVWeek, Orbit was a once a month deal and was always dated...

Just think of how many manufacturers, distributors and dealers it put out of business when the small dishes killed the market. I used to get in a truck load of dishes a week from Perfect 10, Paraclipse and UFI. Not to mention the cable, ends and other things I ordered. I sold over 95 miles of ribbon cable to one dealer in Mississippi in one year, and god knows how many miles of RG6 and RG6 quad shield to the same customer. I sold so many Perfect 10 dishes I was on a first name basis with the CEO of the company.

We used to drive to R.L. Drake's warehouse in Ohio to lick up a van load of satellite receivers. Those were the days to be sure.
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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rvvaquero
Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
Y
Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.
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b4pjoe
Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.
Jerry made himself General Manager after he bought the team but make no mistake Jimmy engineered that trade. As well as a lot of others at the time.
rvvaquero
Jimmy Johnson is a football guy. Jerry Jones is a marketer (hustler).

When I see a football player get a 15 yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct (like taunting) in a close game, I often wonder what he was thinking. Was he thinking, I'm doing everything I can to make this a better team and help win a championship? Or, was he saying to himself, I want everyone to notice how great I am?

Johnson inspires one, Jones the other.
meStevo
Got to unfurl and hold the flag at Allegiant for the anthem today - amazing experience.
HipKat
Balls
Bears. Gave the Pats a good beatdown.
Bucs. Got Baker back and absolutely demolished the previously surprising Panthers.
Falcons. Took care of the 49ers and did so convincingly.
Vikings. I hate them. I do. I've never seen such a bad/good team. Know what I mean? I know their D is epic. But their O is insulting. How they remain undefeated is a mystery.
Rams. Finally looked the part. Mind you against the hapless Cards.
Cowboys. Fireworks performance from their O.
Dolphins. Finally logged in a W. There won't be many. Enjoy it, Miami fans.
Browns. Still atop the AFC North.
Giants. Epic OT win with Buffalo's very own Motor Singletary finishing it off.
Seattle. Dominated KC from start to finish.

Goats
Jets. Couldn't beat the winless Dolphins. Aaron Glenn is a dead man walking.
Eagles. Injured beyond repair
Ravens and Lamar. Has he ever played a full season? Honestly, dude is fragile. Of course he's back for the Bills game.
49ers. No longer undefeated.
Colts. A sh*t show. When are they gonna realize that Daniel Jones is ass?
Steelers vs Saints game. Ass, just ass all around. Those poor people in Paris have had enough lately, and on top of that, endure that game.
Chiefs. They looked terrible. Like really bad.
Pack vs. Detroit game refs. Some of the worst refereeing I've seen in a long time. And the sample is pretty large.
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Dancing Days - Led Zeppelin
dishstaller
Dancing in the Street - Van Halen
long_time_Dish
Bakers Street - Gerry Rafferty
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Bobby
Bakers Street - Gerry Rafferty
Let me fix that for you:
Baker Street - Gerry Rafferty
EatMyVolts
The 59th Street Bridge Song -- Simon & Garfunkel
M
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Interesting article about the work being done to develope an ATSC 3 converter box. Yes it does mention affordable.
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primestar31
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
star trek GIF


It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
navychop
I truly hope you are right.
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Mister B
What bothers me is the total waste of broadcasting spectrum in this very crowded market. It has been almost three years now since KFOX converted their broadcast tower to ATSC 3.0 and moved all of their channels to other towers causing noticeable degradation of the picture quality.
I have a Sony TV with 3.0 capabilities but still use the 1.0 version of locals due to the fact that one or all of the 3.0 channels are often missing or unwatchable. In this city of 800K I doubt that more than a few hundred even know about ATSC 3.0.
The only thing that could motivate me to be interested in 3.0 would be if all of the minor networks (diginets) could be in at least 720P rather than blurry ultra-compressed 480i.
Three years is long enough to waste one of the few available RF frequencies in the area for this trial.
It is time to either move on with this experiment or call it quits.
navychop
In this city of 800K I doubt that more than a few hundred even know about ATSC 3.0.

They might notice the hand going into their pocket for their wallet.
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navychop
It is time to either move on with this experiment or call it quits.

QFT. Of course, my preference involves a curb and some kicking.
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star trek GIF


It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
WHAT ABOUT THE INTERNET PART OF IT. NO ONE WANTS A BOX CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET EITHER.
TRG
TRG
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dishdude
It's probably been 2 decades since I've listened to an AM radio station. Very rarely listen to FM any more.
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Jimbo
I am 1 that wants the AM to Stay ....
That said, since '08 I have had Sat radio available to me ... I think I have turned on AM 3 or 4 times, just to see if its still there.

Fwiw, if theres a Major disaster or bad weather or whatever, the chances of me finding out about it by going to the AM side of the radio is SLIM and None.
Even FM, I haven't really had on since '13ish, I may turn it on from time to time, just to see if its still there.
harshness
Fwiw, if theres a Major disaster or bad weather or whatever, the chances of me finding out about it by going to the AM side of the radio is SLIM and None.
Automation has seen to that. You can't get evening drive traffic reports where I live, much less disaster reports.
dishstaller
Very rarely listen to FM any more
That goes for a lot of people. I've been advertising on radio for more than a decade now and am very familiar with this subject. While it is still a valuable tool, it has far less impact than it did just a few years ago. The best reaction I get is from a local Country music station....they play a mix of older and newer music and have a very big footprint.
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That goes for a lot of people. I've been advertising on radio for more than a decade now and am very familiar with this subject. While it is still a valuable tool, it has far less impact than it did just a few years ago. The best reaction I get is from a local Country music station....they play a mix of older and newer music and have a very big footprint.
Do you do any Ad's on Satellite ?

If Not, why not, because it's not Local ?
dishstaller
Do you do any Ad's on Satellite ?

If Not, why not, because it's not Local ?
No, just regular FM stations. One is the country station I mentioned and the other is a Talk Radio station which used to get fantastic results but honestly, since the death of Rush Limbaugh, talk radio just doesn't do as well. There were two guys who had an early morning show which was hugely popular here in the southeast but one of them retired a couple years ago and the show just doesn't garner the same numbers as it used to.
S
Haven't listened AM or FM in years
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Bobby
Rest in peace.
JSheridan
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I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.
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Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.
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Jimbo
Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.
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Mister B
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.
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I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.
can't forget the little blue m&m's
charlesrshell
can't forget the little blue m&m's
That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!
T
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
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Foxbat
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
Because he didn't have a fleet of reusable rockets. Starlink works because SpaceX is able to launch hundreds (thousands?) of their Starlink satellites for what a single geostationary Internet satellite costs to build and launch on a disposable launcher.
T
But how is it reusable if it's disposable
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That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!
My gf is 29 years younger than me :shh
Almighty1
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
He does not have the resources aka $$$ compared to Elon Musk as in reality, Elon can eat Charlie for lunch or even mop the floor with Charlie if he wanted to.
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ment to 20 yrs dam phone
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