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SatelliteGuys.US DishNetwork Uplink Activity Report - 4/22/2009 1:10pm - 55 changes

Uplink Comparison Range: 04/22/2009 12:42P - 04/22/2009 01:10P

Channel Additions:
212 - EARTH [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar11 110W TP 21 ConUS beam (NA)
212 - EARTH [MPEG4 SD] added to EchoStar8 77W TP 21 ConUS beam (NA)
298 - ONPPV [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar11 110W TP 16 ConUS beam (NA)
298 - ONPPV [MPEG4 SD] added to EchoStar8 77W TP 25 ConUS beam (NA)
654 - AHTV [MPEG2 SD] added to Anik F3 118.7W TP 02 ConUS beam (NA)
655 - CQTV [MPEG2 SD] added to Anik F3 118.7W TP 02 ConUS beam (NA)
664 - SZTV [MPEG2 SD] added to Anik F3 118.7W TP 02 ConUS beam (NA)
5271(13) - KVTV [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 15 Spotbeam 52 (NA)(Laredo, TX-CBS)
5272(8) - KGNS [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 15 Spotbeam 52 (NA)(Laredo, TX-NBC)
5273(7) - KXOF [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 15 Spotbeam 52 (NA)(Laredo, TX-N/A)
5604 - KTVA [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 12 Spotbeam 1 (NA)(Anchorage, AK-CBS)
5608 - KTUU [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 12 Spotbeam 1 (NA)(Anchorage, AK-NBC)
5621 - KAKM [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 12 Spotbeam 1 (NA)(Anchorage, AK-PBS)

Channel Removals:
579 - INTER (A) (H) removed from EchoStar3 61.5W TP 18 ConUS beam
581 - PHNIX (A) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 11 ConUS beam
587 - ATV (A) (H) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 11 ConUS beam
591 - TELSD (A) (H) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 11 ConUS beam
593 - RTVI+ (A) removed from EchoStar3 61.5W TP 18 ConUS beam
604 - KINO (A) (H) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 11 ConUS beam
608 - ITVN (A) (H) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 11 ConUS beam
609 - TVN24 (A) (H) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 11 ConUS beam
623 - ZGUJ (A) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 11 ConUS beam
653 - PEACE (NA) removed from Anik F3 118.7W TP 01 ConUS beam
5990 - TEST (NA) removed from EchoStar11 110W TP 21 ConUS beam
6113 - ATV (A) (H) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 01 ConUS beam
6114 - TELSD (A) (H) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 25 ConUS beam
6115 - ITVN (A) (H) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 09 ConUS beam
6116 - KINO (A) (H) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 07 ConUS beam
6117 - ZGUJ (A) (H) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 27 ConUS beam
6120 - PHNIX (A) (H) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 01 ConUS beam
6123 - TVN24 (A) (H) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 07 ConUS beam
6134 - RTVI+ (A) (H) removed from EchoStar3 61.5W TP 14 ConUS beam
6135 - INTER (A) (H) removed from EchoStar3 61.5W TP 14 ConUS beam
7869 - KOAM (A) (H) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 13 Area 8 beam(Pittsburg, KS-CBS)
8307 - WPCH (A) (H) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 15 Area 7 beam(Atlanta, GA-N/A)

Channel Moves:
8506 - WCHU [MPEG2 SD] moved from EchoStar10 110W TP 29 Spotbeam 19 to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 19 (NA)
14005 - KABC2 [EPG] moved from EchoStar11 110W TP 08 ConUS beam to EchoStar7 119W TP 03 South California beam (NA)(Los Angeles, CA-ABC)
14006 - KABC3 [EPG] moved from EchoStar11 110W TP 08 ConUS beam to EchoStar7 119W TP 03 South California beam (NA)(Los Angeles, CA-ABC)
14007 - KCET1 [EPG] moved from EchoStar11 110W TP 08 ConUS beam to EchoStar7 119W TP 03 South California beam (NA)(Los Angeles, CA-N/A)
14008 - KMEX2 [EPG] moved from EchoStar11 110W TP 08 ConUS beam to EchoStar7 119W TP 03 South California beam (NA)(Los Angeles, CA-UNI)
14009 - KLCS2 [EPG] moved from EchoStar11 110W TP 08 ConUS beam to EchoStar7 119W TP 01 South California beam (NA)(Los Angeles, CA-PBS)
14010 - KLCS3 [EPG] moved from EchoStar11 110W TP 08 ConUS beam to EchoStar7 119W TP 01 South California beam (NA)(Los Angeles, CA-PBS)
14011 - KLCS4 [EPG] moved from EchoStar11 110W TP 08 ConUS beam to EchoStar7 119W TP 01 South California beam (NA)(Los Angeles, CA-PBS)
14012 - KXLA2 [EPG] moved from EchoStar11 110W TP 08 ConUS beam to EchoStar7 119W TP 01 South California beam (NA)(Rancho Palos Verdes, CA-N/A)

Channel Package Flag Changes:
217 - IONW [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam changed to Available (H)
5151(7) - KOAM [MPEG4 HD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 13 Area 8 beam changed to Available (H)(Pittsburg, KS-CBS)
5250(8) - KJCT [MPEG4 HD] - Ciel-2 129W TP 06 Spotbeam 19 changed to Available (H)(Grand Junction, CO-ABC)
5251(5) - KREX [MPEG4 HD] - Ciel-2 129W TP 06 Spotbeam 19 changed to Available (H)(Grand Junction, CO-CBS)
5252(11) - KKCO [MPEG4 HD] - Ciel-2 129W TP 06 Spotbeam 19 changed to Available (H)(Grand Junction, CO-NBC)
5253(4) - KFQX [MPEG4 HD] - Ciel-2 129W TP 06 Spotbeam 19 changed to Available (H)(Grand Junction, CO-FOX)
6799(77) - HIDEF [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar11 110W TP 02 ConUS beam changed to Available (H)
8025(30) - KPXN [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam changed to Available (H)(San Bernardino, CA-N/A)

Channel Renames:
673 - ZOOM - Anik F3 118.7W TP 23 ConUS beam renamed to MZIKA (A)
673 - ZOOM - EchoStar1 148W TP 29 ConUS beam renamed to MZIKA (A)
673 - ZOOM - EchoStar3 61.5W TP 12 ConUS beam renamed to MZIKA (A)

Channels in the system: 6420
(A) = Available to subscribers
(NA) = Not Available
(H) = Hidden from non-subscribers
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db2
db2
Sweet, more Conus spaced opened up on 110, or is that just EPG data??

Digi, are all of the TEMP HD channel bit rates flat? In other words, do they all appear to be static slates? Just curious.
J
TRANSPONDER CHANGES

CHANGE Tp 32 ConUS CIEL-2 129w ,8PSK SR 21500 FEC 2/3
TO Tp 32 ConUS CIEL-2 129w ,QPSK SR 20000 FEC 5/6

CHANGE TID 4007 Tp 7 SPOT 1 Ciel 2 129w ,QPSK SR 20000 FEC 7/8
TO TID 4007 Tp 7 SPOT 1 Ciel 2 129w ,8PSK SR 21500 FEC 2/3

CHANGE TID 4012 Tp 12 SPOT 1 Ciel 2 129w ,8PSK SR 21500 FEC 2/3
TO TID 4012 Tp 12 SPOT 1 Ciel 2 129w ,QPSK SR 20000 FEC 5/6

CHANGE TID 4116 Tp 16 SPOT 55 Ciel 2 129w ,8PSK SR 21500 FEC 2/3
TO TID 4116 Tp 16 SPOT 55 Ciel 2 129w ,QPSK SR 20000 FEC 5/6
digiblur
Sweet, more Conus spaced opened up on 110, or is that just EPG data??

Digi, are all of the TEMP HD channel bit rates flat? In other words, do they all appear to be static slates? Just curious.

Just EPG data.. check the channel range and channel tag.

110 TP 7 - 4 active video streams
110 TP 13 - 4 active video streams
110 TP 17 - 6 active video streams

When I say active I mean non-slate type bandwidths. HD on 110 TP 7 and 13 should look great compared to 61.5/129 national HD.

I'll head home at lunch and take a look. Interesting that they have NBC included since they don't currently carry that in HD! I talked to a local dealer and he said that by May 8 we'll have some national HD.

Great! Check TP 1 - 16 and let us know. Make sure they lock as spotbeam otherwise it is probably just switch "bleed".

Hmmmm, not quite Alaska...tp12=23 signal strength spotbeam.

You're only about an hour drive from Juneau and about a 2 hour ride to Anchorage right? :) :) :) (No I'm not serious...just as you were with that reading on the AK beam)
HDRoberts
Just EPG data.. check the channel range and channel tag.

110 TP 7 - 4 active video streams
110 TP 13 - 4 active video streams
110 TP 17 - 6 active video streams

So nothing on 110 cooking.

How about

61.5, TP23, TP24, TP25, TP27, and TP32, all of which have temps (particularly TP23)
or
129, TP17, TP18, TP19, TP20, TP22, TP26, TP28, TP30, TP31, TP32, all of which have temps?
Former member 134676
Are these up links a slow process or is it fast like turning on a light switch?
Pepper
Are these up links a slow process or is it fast like turning on a light switch?
Imagine a committee of deranged monkeys trying to turn on a light switch.
digiblur
So nothing on 110 cooking.

How about

61.5, TP23, TP24, TP25, TP27, and TP32, all of which have temps (particularly TP23)
or
129, TP17, TP18, TP19, TP20, TP22, TP26, TP28, TP30, TP31, TP32, all of which have temps?

WOW... give me the channel numbers to check and I can pull up the TP's for a quick check. I'll do it later after the second uplink runs today. I don't have a dedicated dish like I do on 110/129/91, so I'll have to swing the motorized over to 61.5 and pull the uplink process down for a few minutes.

Are these up links a slow process or is it fast like turning on a light switch?

Getting the channel piped into the uplink center and over to the uplink side takes a bit of work. But actually changing the tables so I our receivers know how to tune it doesn't take much.
mike123abc
TRANSPONDER CHANGES

CHANGE Tp 32 ConUS CIEL-2 129w ,8PSK SR 21500 FEC 2/3
TO Tp 32 ConUS CIEL-2 129w ,QPSK SR 20000 FEC 5/6

This is bad news... What are they going to use TP32 for in QPSK... In other words one less HD TP available! :mad:
J
This is bad news... What are they going to use TP32 for in QPSK... In other words one less HD TP available! :mad:
Well, it still has TMP32 on it. Maybe in a holding pattern for an extended period of time.
mike123abc
Well, it still has TMP32 on it. Maybe in a holding pattern for an extended period of time.

It is just bad to now see 2 TPs in QPSK (21 & 32). This is 14 HD channels of lost capacity. Hopefully they turn them back to 8PSK.
J
It is just bad to now see 2 TPs in QPSK (21 & 32). This is 14 HD channels of lost capacity. Hopefully they turn them back to 8PSK.
Tp 21 will not change. It has the EPG, Sat identifier and other update channels on it, which are for all receivers.

Tp 32 reminds me of Tp 27 at 61.5. It has various types of channel while in QPSK,
J
Altoona/Johnstown is on. :)
kstuart
Imagine a committee of deranged monkeys trying to turn on a light switch.

Apparently it only takes one monkey:

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HDRoberts
WOW... give me the channel numbers to check and I can pull up the TP's for a quick check. I'll do it later after the second uplink runs today. I don't have a dedicated dish like I do on 110/129/91, so I'll have to swing the motorized over to 61.5 and pull the uplink process down for a few minutes.



Getting the channel piped into the uplink center and over to the uplink side takes a bit of work. But actually changing the tables so I our receivers know how to tune it doesn't take much.

Here are the currently assigned channel numbers for all properly mirrored TMP HD channels. These are the only ones currently capable of bringing more national HD that haven't already been checked on 110.

Name - Number - 129 transponder, 61.5 transponder
TMP30 - 4800 129-TP18 61.5-TP23
TMP31 - 4801 129-TP18 61.5-TP23
TMP32 - 4802 129-TP32 61.5-TP23
TMP35 - 4805 129-TP31 61.5-TP23
TMP36 - 4806 129-TP25 61.5-TP23
TMP37 - 4807 129-TP24 61.5-TP23
TMP45 - 4815 129-TP27 61.5-TP27
TMP51 - 4821 129-TP19 61.5-TP20
TMP54 - 4824 129-TP22 61.5-TP24
TMP55 - 4825 129-TP27 61.5-TP25
TMP57 - 4827 129-TP23 61.5-TP30
Former member 208119
Last reply · posted in SiriusXM Satellite Radio
My year was almost up and we got the new bill for a year of service for $ 360.00 insane sat radio is becoming like cable!!! i logged into my acct and hopped onto chat and told the rep that i wanted to cancel. she understood my concern and went quiet for a few minutes. i figured that she was canceling my service. she comes back and said that she seen that i have been a sub since 07 and then offers me the same package for a year for 120.00 with taxes and fee's!!! i grabbed it. after almost having a stroke :biggrin
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B
What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $4.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.
Jimbo
What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.
Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.
B
Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.
I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!
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TRG
I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!
I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.
B
I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.
yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.
Jimbo
yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.
You get an email every month to let you know they are billing you for the next month.
Foxbat
Mrs. Foxbat reminded me it's that time of the year to do the Cancel Tango💃🏽

The A.I. agent appears to be better than in the past. It got to the acceptable price quicker than previous years, no human operator involved. $5/mo and I still have over $50 in SiriusXM credit from my FordPartner benefits.
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Can't You See - Marshall Tucker Band
sdfntx
See You in September - The Happenings
long_time_Dish
You Look Like You Love Me - Ella Langley
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See Me Feel Me - The Who
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Take It Easy On Me - Little River Band
Peter Parker
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
No idea what improvements might be involved.
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bookworm370
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
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N
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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R
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.
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Bobby
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
This has been an ongoing issue. A fix is coming, probably in the next software version.
Foxbat
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"
Here's the one I need:
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dishstaller
Here's the one I need:
Just ordered one....that's great.
dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Bobby
Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
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harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
dishstaller
Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

Last night it was about $4.17 gas, $6,19 diesel.
harshness
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.
On the West Coast, a 40-cent differential is common. It used to be 30 cents before the prices rose above $3.

A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic), which is a whole different discussion.
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Here in Indiana, the difference between Regular and Premium is usually a dollar, but some charge even more:
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dishstaller
A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic),
Both non-ethanol and prem run about the same....buck more. When we were up in TN it was a buck more up there as well.
jokeworm
Last reply · posted in What's Cooking?
Ok, I'm bored .... actually - to be more precise - I'm bored of eating the same rotation of 9 or 10 meals that are currently my "go-to" meals. My wife works the long hours - I work from home as and when i feel like it ... which means i generally do most of the cooking ... and so by default - i also make out the shopping list ...

We cook at home 5 or even 6 nights a week - but we always seem to fall back on the same old tried and tested "quick and easy but tastes ok" meals. Week in week out.

Pot Roast - mash and Peas.
Spaghetti
Chicken Pasta in cheese sauce.
Curry & rice
(these are some of mine)

Now it's not that I'm not adventurous in the kitchen ... I'll try anything once or twice ... but we all do it. Unless your name is Martha Stewart or Rachel Ray .. we all eventually fall back on our 8-10 favorite "meals"

So i thought - if we shared some of our own go-to meals with each other ... we might be able to add a few "new" ones to our own arsenal of meals.

So again - I ask you ...

What's for dinner tonight ?

Please give me something new to add to my rotation ... its our weekly shop tomorrow - so i want to pull together a few idea's and try and eat a meal each day next week that I've never had before .. or at least something that is not on my current "go-to" meal plan.

What meal do you always seem to fall back on in your house ? Maybe its something that I've never tried or not had in a while. I need inspiration !! I've got a blank shopping list in front of me - and nothing sounds good .. HELP !
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TRG
Beef and vegetable stew with buttermilk biscuits. Water.
It seemed appropriate on an unusually cold and wet evening in New Mexico.
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Chili Cheesebugers, Tater Tots.
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TRG
I made shrimp parmesan with spaghetti and a salad.
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venison lasagna
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Smoked some salmon on the grill while enjoying some Blue Moon beer. Kinda cool tonight so I fired up the heaters. Here in FL, we fire up heaters once the temps get below 60 :cool As for the salmon, I seared them first, then flipped them off to the side not over the coals and brushed on some lemon pepper marinade followed by some salmon seasoning. Threw some hickory chips on the coals and then closed the vents to about 10% airflow. Yum.
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osu1991
Pub Member / Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club

The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.


:eek


It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.
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navychop
Servant's problem.
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meStevo

Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.

So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.​
harshness
The EV company to watch out for is SAIC. They seem likely to take over Government Motors at some point.

GM originally struck a JV deal with SAIC to gain access to China. Now SAIC has taken China back with the substantial library of technology GM shared and they're looking to export to Mexico, South America, the Middle East, and Asia-Pacific.
osu1991
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Ramy
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Foxbat
They ought to have fun with this… :devilish
osu1991
They ought to have fun with this… :devilish
Was thinking same thing. It should be a good week for sec shorts and roll call
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
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Foxbat
Best fan sign I saw during the ND-BYU game: "Bear ate your Lucky Charms!" (Bear being the Cougars' QB). I was going to suggest, "Have you or your team been involved in a Carr crash?"
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meStevo
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.


View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k


We've literally got a movie already about this ;)


View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc
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meStevo
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.
harshness
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.
meStevo
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
harshness
... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
meStevo
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
harshness
Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.
meStevo
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.
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dishstaller
Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.
meStevo
Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.

Agents need appropriate context to make what would be understood as the correct read in a situation like that, and that Gemini answer was a clear miss on that front.

That said, we've also seen Musk (and/or his team) put his thumb on the scale (or just release a very poor product) with his own deployed AI since:


In the end, it's all a tool. Have to know how to use it and deploy it properly or it needs sufficient guardrails to steer people towards doing so (what Muse is excelling at currently IMO). I'm routinely interacting with several agents a day operating various processes locally and in services I use, and there are numerous others silently spun up to perform actions or satisfy requests from my prompts.

Related to earlier discussion in the thread on leveraging local inference: this kind of analysis happening behind the scenes is something everyone will have built into Windows, IMO. Most people won't see all of this, just the results, unless they want to dig into how the fix was chosen. Stuff like this will be standard as agents get local system access baked in, and more of the inference itself moves on-device.

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Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.



This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.
You invested in datacenters?
meStevo
You invested in datacenters?


Though, I do have stocks in my portfolio that benefit from data centers.