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The PIT channel on 97W 11779 H 3979
It giving me a blazing hot 82%Q on my Direcway dish and Coolsat 5000

Mike's list has it listed at 3/4 but I don't usually see this Quality until the FEC drops to 2/3 or even 1/2

Could any one, with the tools, please take a moment to check what the FEC is of that TP?
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Unfortunately HW/FW and the error correction protocol cannot be changed that way what you using :). I would say you're lucky to have the receiver what could lock with the wrong FEC command.
But inside of it it will do that job if it use correct value.
Short, you cannot cut variable number of bits from one packet when the count predetermined as per FEC value [created] before uplink.

Let me say other way - you can't start engine after you fueled 78 octane gas by changing tires or just telling the engine - "Start it !". :D
meinename
Unfortunately HW/FW and the error correction protocol cannot be changed that way what you using :). I would say you're lucky to have the receiver what could lock with the wrong FEC command.
But inside of it it will do that job if it use correct value.
Short, you cannot cut variable number of bits from one packet when the count predetermined as per FEC value [created] before uplink.

Let me say other way - you can't start engine after you fueled 78 octane gas by changing tires or just telling the engine - "Start it !". :D
They way that's written confuses my head. I have read it slowly bit by bit.

So what you're saying is:
It don't work that way. If it's not all set right I won't work

Response: I would only be looking for it to lock on to the transponder one way. The right way in respect to freq., pol., sym. rate, and FEC.

However I've only used TSReader with my Hauppauge HVR-1600 ATSC/QAM
I don't know how the exact workings of TSReader and a USB or PCI DVB-S/S2 device would work. I don't claim to.
I've only read the older threads with yourself and other owners going over the paticulars.
What I understand is some IRD's and PC software can give the info back.
I don't have anything that will give me that info.
So I put a call out here to ask those that did have the various IRD's to check.

I never claimed to be able to magically change the transponders FEC, or even that I thought it would give me better signal be forcing my IRD to pick up the transponder quality by chucking out packets.
I don't know how AcWxRadar got any of that. Poor sick man.

I wanted to know if Mike 's list and Lyngsat were out of date, in the case that they changed the FEC rate Tuesday.
No probable, but I wanted someone who could, to find out and tell me

So again thanks to everyone for your help.
S
I'll back in few hours. Emergency duty call ...
B.J.
Originally Posted by Smith, P.
Unfortunately HW/FW and the error correction protocol cannot be changed that way what you using :). I would say you're lucky to have the receiver what could lock with the wrong FEC command.
But inside of it it will do that job if it use correct value.
Short, you cannot cut variable number of bits from one packet when the count predetermined as per FEC value [created] before uplink.

Let me say other way - you can't start engine after you fueled 78 octane gas by changing tires or just telling the engine - "Start it !". :D

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What I understand is some IRD's and PC software can give the info back.
I don't have anything that will give me that info.
So I put a call out here to ask those that did have the various IRD's to check.

....

The Broadlogic card I use to find the FEC, is kind of neat to use. It has a control app, and when you tell it to tune a transponder, it has an indicator for "DATA LOCK" and "SIGNAL LOCK" (I'm not sure what the difference is, because both must be digital locks, because those boxes aren't checked if the signal is some other format, like DCII, even if the SR is correct.
But once both LOCKs are obtained, if you switch to a tuner status window, it has check boxes for all the different FEC values, and the control app seems to go through all these, until it finds the correct one, then it stays on that. If it's a good strong signal, this all happens so fast, I can hardly see it. After a pause, the two locks pop in, and by the time I get to the FEC window, it's got it figured out. However on weak signals, I've sometimes seen it cycle through the FEC values for 10 or 15 seconds before it settles down. All this AFTER it has locked on the signal, which is what I don't understand. Ie I didn't think it could lock if it didn't know the FEC value. Although I guess that it's possible that it was getting errors, and extracting incorrect values, but I don't think that is what is happening, because it allways goes through the values in order, until if finds one that works.
But even though I don't understand what I'm seeing, it's kind of interesting to watch, particularly on weak signals where it takes a while and you can watch it thinking. :-)
The Broadlogic app also shows bit error rates, corrected and uncorrected errors, frequency offset and some other parameters. It's amazing to see the card tabulate 60,000 "corrected" errors, and yet have ZERO "uncorrected" errors.
If you can find them the Broadlogic cards (I think mine is a 1030) are so cheap (I think I paid something like $35) that it's kind of a good investment just to watch the APP, but I use mine to create slow scan spectra, which is really useful to me. A pretty useful card to have, if you have a computer with slots available. If you have a receiver that works with TSREADER (the broadlogic doesn't work very well with TSREADER), TSREADER can help you calculate FEC too. It has a "Mux Bitrate" parameter, and if you feed that and the SR into the FEC calculator someone gave the link to above, it will give you the FEC.
How all this stuff works is my main interest in this hobby. I can spend all day looking at data in TSREADER and the Broadlogic Control App, and never watch any actual video. :-)
S
Aha ! That's a method - changing FEC while matching one will be found. As you can imagine the SW doing the iterations and checking result. Not the other way - like lets try to find best FEC for the low/high signal level.

What exactly BL card you have ? Check for that in Windows Device Manager.
What SW you using ? From V-Box company ?
turbosat
Here's a link to coolstf 's explanation of FEC, if you haven't seen it already:
COOL.STF
Scroll down to where it says "If you want to know about MPEG2 television click here"

It's not lengthy but I think it helped me "get it" a little better, never understood FEC that well either.
B.J.
Aha ! That's a method - changing FEC while matching one will be found. As you can imagine the SW doing the iterations and checking result. Not the other way - like lets try to find best FEC for the low/high signal level.

What exactly BL card you have ? Check for that in Windows Device Manager.
What SW you using ? From V-Box company ?

Re the BL card, I assume that question is aimed at me. I think I said above, that it's the 1030 card, not the one that people use for the BLSA. I use it primarily for slow scan spectra
( bjblscan ) .

I don't use the card much for actually viewing programming. I used to use it a bit using DVBAPPS. TSREADER works partially with the card, but there is an issue about it not being able to handle transponders with many PIDs, ie some limit of 8 or 10 PIDs I think), so it only works on some transponders in TSREADER, and TSREADER bombs when you try to restart.

The control APP I referred to comes from the manufacturer of the card. I have to run the control APP before running my spectrum program, in order to set the LO freq, but the control app is also interesting and informative to watch. I don't know if it's method of locking and finding FEC is what is used when a program is using the card for viewing channels or if it is just something that the control app does on it's own. It is interesting though. Yesterday, I had my dish aimed a bit off the AMC9 sat, and told the control app to lock on the RTN transponder, and it had problems, and it was trying every FEC, and at the same time, I was watching the frequency offset window, and I could see it trying to change frequency while searching. It was changing freq in fairly big jumps, I think more than 1 MHz, then trying a couple FEC values. When I bumped the dish onto the sat better, it instantly locked in. Anyway, it's fun to watch.
One problem with the 1030 is that it doesn't have DiseqC control, so I have to slave it to my other receivers, since I'm going through a switch.
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Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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They didn't sell many, they were pricey and not out long. Quickly got replaced by the Hopper.
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They were high-end specialty, somewhat buggy and the 612/622/722 just overwhelmed it in popularity.
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My year was almost up and we got the new bill for a year of service for $ 360.00 insane sat radio is becoming like cable!!! i logged into my acct and hopped onto chat and told the rep that i wanted to cancel. she understood my concern and went quiet for a few minutes. i figured that she was canceling my service. she comes back and said that she seen that i have been a sub since 07 and then offers me the same package for a year for 120.00 with taxes and fee's!!! i grabbed it. after almost having a stroke :biggrin
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What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $4.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.
Jimbo
What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.
Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.
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Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.
I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!
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I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!
I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.
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I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.
yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.
Jimbo
yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.
You get an email every month to let you know they are billing you for the next month.
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The A.I. agent appears to be better than in the past. It got to the acceptable price quicker than previous years, no human operator involved. $5/mo and I still have over $50 in SiriusXM credit from my FordPartner benefits.
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No idea what improvements might be involved.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
This has been an ongoing issue. A fix is coming, probably in the next software version.
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Here's the one I need:
Just ordered one....that's great.
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Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
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Bobby
Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
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I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
dishstaller
Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

Last night it was about $4.17 gas, $6,19 diesel.
harshness
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.
On the West Coast, a 40-cent differential is common. It used to be 30 cents before the prices rose above $3.

A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic), which is a whole different discussion.
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Here in Indiana, the difference between Regular and Premium is usually a dollar, but some charge even more:
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A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic),
Both non-ethanol and prem run about the same....buck more. When we were up in TN it was a buck more up there as well.
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Ok, I'm bored .... actually - to be more precise - I'm bored of eating the same rotation of 9 or 10 meals that are currently my "go-to" meals. My wife works the long hours - I work from home as and when i feel like it ... which means i generally do most of the cooking ... and so by default - i also make out the shopping list ...

We cook at home 5 or even 6 nights a week - but we always seem to fall back on the same old tried and tested "quick and easy but tastes ok" meals. Week in week out.

Pot Roast - mash and Peas.
Spaghetti
Chicken Pasta in cheese sauce.
Curry & rice
(these are some of mine)

Now it's not that I'm not adventurous in the kitchen ... I'll try anything once or twice ... but we all do it. Unless your name is Martha Stewart or Rachel Ray .. we all eventually fall back on our 8-10 favorite "meals"

So i thought - if we shared some of our own go-to meals with each other ... we might be able to add a few "new" ones to our own arsenal of meals.

So again - I ask you ...

What's for dinner tonight ?

Please give me something new to add to my rotation ... its our weekly shop tomorrow - so i want to pull together a few idea's and try and eat a meal each day next week that I've never had before .. or at least something that is not on my current "go-to" meal plan.

What meal do you always seem to fall back on in your house ? Maybe its something that I've never tried or not had in a while. I need inspiration !! I've got a blank shopping list in front of me - and nothing sounds good .. HELP !
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Beef and vegetable stew with buttermilk biscuits. Water.
It seemed appropriate on an unusually cold and wet evening in New Mexico.
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Chili Cheesebugers, Tater Tots.
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I made shrimp parmesan with spaghetti and a salad.
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venison lasagna
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Smoked some salmon on the grill while enjoying some Blue Moon beer. Kinda cool tonight so I fired up the heaters. Here in FL, we fire up heaters once the temps get below 60 :cool As for the salmon, I seared them first, then flipped them off to the side not over the coals and brushed on some lemon pepper marinade followed by some salmon seasoning. Threw some hickory chips on the coals and then closed the vents to about 10% airflow. Yum.
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osu1991
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The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.


:eek


It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.
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Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.

So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.​
harshness
The EV company to watch out for is SAIC. They seem likely to take over Government Motors at some point.

GM originally struck a JV deal with SAIC to gain access to China. Now SAIC has taken China back with the substantial library of technology GM shared and they're looking to export to Mexico, South America, the Middle East, and Asia-Pacific.
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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They ought to have fun with this… :devilish
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They ought to have fun with this… :devilish
Was thinking same thing. It should be a good week for sec shorts and roll call
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
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Best fan sign I saw during the ND-BYU game: "Bear ate your Lucky Charms!" (Bear being the Cougars' QB). I was going to suggest, "Have you or your team been involved in a Carr crash?"
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