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LonghornXP

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Last reply Nov 1, 2004 · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

Multiroom DVR options coming to SA8300 boxes and Dish and DirecTV as well:

Now I don't know about Dish Network but I have said that DirecTV has been working on multiroom DVR options besides Tivos HMO. This could include adding middleware such as Vooms Ucentric or an overhaul shift to NDS but I've heard about options ranging from all NDS, Ucentric and even Moxi. But I finally found a direct quote stating this and as such I will post it for you all. Also this is from multichannel news and as such I'm posing this for information only. The quote I'm talking about is the very last quote and the article is dated as of July 2004 and I haven't heard anything different now as before. All I'm hearing is they are testing different options and will test and roll them out when they feel they have to do so. I'm thinking this means until digital cable rolls theirs out they won't roll theirs out. Same thing with Dish but it will happen sooner rather than later.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA437285.html?display=Top+Stories

"Once cable subscribers get a digital video recorder, they are less likely to drop cable for satellite, according to Scientific-Atlanta Inc.

The set-top vendor commissioned CENTRIS (Communications, Entertainment and Technology Research and Information Service) to analyze 100,000 consumer surveys between 2002 and 2003, and the firm found that DBS penetration in cable markets that had deployed DVRs was 2.5% less than in cable systems that hadn't rolled out DVRs.

"It's very encouraging for cable. It looks like DVR is a very exciting product to slow the growth of satellite in those markets," said Scientific-Atlanta director of strategic planning and business development Dave Davies.

Davies said S-A plans to share the research this week with cable operators attending the Cable & Telecommunications Association for Marketing Summit in Boston.
SUMMIT BRIEFING

S-A wouldn't reveal which cable systems Centris analyzed in its study. The company's DVR customers include Time Warner Cable, Comcast Corp., Charter Communications Inc., Adelphia Communications Corp., Cox Communications Inc. and Canada's Rogers Cable.

Similar to the race to sign high-speed data subscribers — in which researchers have found that consumers often stick with whichever technology they buy first, be it DSL from a telephone company or a cable modem — S-A's research shows the battle to put DVRs in subscriber homes is key.

For their parts, both EchoStar Communications Corp. and DirecTV Inc. are aggressively marketing their own DVRs.

It takes DVR owners some time to fine-tune the equipment to record their favorite programs, which also may help reduce the number of DVR subscribers that would drop cable for satellite, or vice versa.

"Once you get a DVR and you have 40 hours of recorded shows on that DVR, to switch to another service provider's DVR, you're going to have to return that box and lose all the shows you recorded," Davies said.

Improvements in the technology, such as the rollout of multi-room DVRs, which allow subscribers to record a program on a DVR in the living room and access it from a digital set-top in another space, could also help reduce churn.

S-A is field-testing a new multi-room DVR. EchoStar and DirecTV are also rolling out their own multi-room products."

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charper1

Oct 31, 2004

This is why people need to buy and support stand-alone DVRs (heck, stand-alone devices in general). No need to worry about who's DVR it is, the rental aspects, or having all their devices in one box *that's a PC). Anyway, they work equally well with any satellite or cable. ReplayTV has supported multi-room sharing 4 generational releases ago. No added fee or add-on equipment to buy.

LonghornXP

Oct 31, 2004

But SA DVRs can't quite give a one box simple solution that can record two shows at once while recording in DD5.1 sound. Also my house does not like wireless technology and with that said having a DVR with multiroom viewing that uses the existing wiring is great. Now for those with cable who have 4 rooms with a digital cable box they would have to buy 4 Tivos and buy the service for each of the 4 and even at a discount rate of 6.95/month for the extra 3 Tivos that still adds up. Now you had having to buy wireless networking hardware and setting it all up and having it work and you have a customer that says why bother. But if that same customer can call up their cable company and order a DVR with multiroom service they could just have a BHN installer come out and unplug their old box and plug in the new one and leave. The customer can playback DVR recordings just using their regular digital box in the other rooms without having to worry about anything.

I hate to say this but that is something Tivo can never match no matter what they do. People want simple and they want it to just work and companies like cable companies and sat companies can do this much better than Tivo can. Fact is people aren't like us that can deal with networking everything and a DVR from the cable or sat company with multiroom options would be cheaper on a monthly price than having 4 Tivos and no hardware cost upfront either. How can Tivo ever match this by themselves. Now Tivo software with multiroom added from DirecTV via Ucentric or middleware would work just fine but again its not a SA Tivo.

charper1

Oct 31, 2004

People always goes to easy, not better, like lambs. When those all in one boxes go down, you lose everything and they are RENTALS correct? So doesn't it all equal out in the wash.

I got 3 SA ReplayTV DVRs with lifetime service each were $199 and my 54g wireless home network cost me less than $150 to fully install and setup was about 3 hours on a Saturday afternoon.

So DVRs or not I was going to install the network for 2 PCs and visiting laptops. The DVRs became an added bonus 2 bridges at $50 each and one DVR is hard-wired. Bang! All done. I can move or save my shows anywhere on my network and if any DVR goes down full service by ReplayTV and nothing gets lost nor do I do without that TV because its NOT an all-in-one box.

The ONLY thing SA units have NOT caught up with is dual tuner feature, but I have that covered with the 2nd and 3rd DVR.

HD-DVR is of no issue right now because of the lack of content one would need to record, and even if you do find something worth of saving in HD, there is a HUGE hole in the ability to off-load it (in HD) from the DVR. So it therefore is hogging drive space. You can however save it down to an SD format I assume, but whats the point in that after you took the trouble to record it in HD?

LonghornXP

Nov 1, 2004

charper1 said:
People always goes to easy, not better, like lambs. When those all in one boxes go down, you lose everything and they are RENTALS correct? So doesn't it all equal out in the wash.

I got 3 SA ReplayTV DVRs with lifetime service each were $199 and my 54g wireless home network cost me less than $150 to fully install and setup was about 3 hours on a Saturday afternoon.

So DVRs or not I was going to install the network for 2 PCs and visiting laptops. The DVRs became an added bonus 2 bridges at $50 each and one DVR is hard-wired. Bang! All done. I can move or save my shows anywhere on my network and if any DVR goes down full service by ReplayTV and nothing gets lost nor do I do without that TV because its NOT an all-in-one box.

The ONLY thing SA units have NOT caught up with is dual tuner feature, but I have that covered with the 2nd and 3rd DVR.

HD-DVR is of no issue right now because of the lack of content one would need to record, and even if you do find something worth of saving in HD, there is a HUGE hole in the ability to off-load it (in HD) from the DVR. So it therefore is hogging drive space. You can however save it down to an SD format I assume, but whats the point in that after you took the trouble to record it in HD?

I'm tempted to put you on my ignore list just for being so one-sided and I never ever like to do this because I do like to listen to all sides. The fact remains that if you think that we as in you and I are the public mass market you need to look at the world much more closely. The fact is most people and families don't have the knowledge or nohow to setup a home network and keep it going. Even if they pay to install it what would they do when there are problems and most areas and families will have problems. Do they just deal with it or pay again to have someone fix it.

Now your lifetime service is for that box so what happens in 5 years when the cost to fix it exceeds the cost of replacing it. You would end up paying another 400 bucks including lifetime service. Again the fact is that most people do want something easy that they don't have to worry about and that is the fact you can't see if it hit you smack in the face sorry to say.

You are acting like you are the 95% of people and you are less than 10% of the people who would go through all the trouble to do this. Right now Tivo has HMO but besides that they don't have 5.1 playback or recording...they don't have 2 tuners and they need another box. Now what happens if say Moxi comes out with great and I mean great software that can do everything Tivo does and maybe better. Now add that your cable company can offer this in a one box solution for less money than the Tivo service fee. Now add the fact that this Moxi has two tuners and 5.1 surround playback and recording. Now add that that box can do sharing from room to room and do it better no matter what type of house you live in without having to buy or setup or even maintain a wireless network. How could you say that wouldn't be as good as the Tivo. Just so you know I've seen the new TV Guide iGuide software that will be rolled out via Comcast and I've seen the multiroom ability as well as the recording ability and I will say right now that with just a little bug fixing and GUI tweaking it will be better than Tivos software.

Its different yes but it does exactly what Tivo software does and does it better including name based recording as well as dealing with time slot changes. I'm saying today that the new iGuide is better. Only time will tell but for Tivoers its going to be a hard sell simply because its interface is different even though its faster and has the same ability. Its like a Windows user trying to learn or go with Mac. Once they go mac they will love it like myself but getting them to try it for longer than a week is the challenge but once they do they don't regret the switch for one second. Change is our biggest problem that makes something new and better succeed. People don't like change even if its for the better.

charper1

Nov 1, 2004

Ifs, whens, what happens when?

and its still a rental.

You are correct that I am less than 10% of the total in the "know", and that is because the remaining 90% are never given the information to know & learn to see just how easy it is and that costs are about the same in the long run. The idiot-proof all-in-one solution is always jammed down their throats and in a years time wears out it's welcome too.

Go ahead and put me on ignore. I just think all sides should be heard. I have tried or used all the units that are currently availible and selected what I THINK works best all around, for all situations, and then I report that, so other users can decide for themselves, instead of the constant barage of "it's the latest and it's all-in-one, so it must be the best.".

dishstaller

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Last reply 14 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

How to fry AI robocall

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk3jCuITwcE

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Jimbo

14 minutes ago

dishstaller said:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk3jCuITwcE

If there was a way to put itself in a loop and keep going forever, would be awesome .... I see eventually he hot it there, the trick is to be able to Hang up and move on with your life, while it still goes forever.

Gary Toma

Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge

Last reply 36 minutes ago · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum

DIRECTV Transponder Map ~ Data 10/14/2026

The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:

National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)

Additional tabs provide:

OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders

Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions

DIRECTV_TPN_Map_261014.xlsx 1,874 KB

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KyL416

Saturday at 8:44 PM

It's only available for streaming customers, they still haven't added that batch of CW stations to satellite.

Even if it was, satellite customers still can't stream their CW affiliates via the app, just the Big 4, select PBS stations and some independents (mainly the ones that have full season NHL/NBA rights)

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KyL416

Yesterday at 2:37 PM

WCWW/25 CW South Bend and WBKP/5 CW Marquette are now testing on the stream server. These are both already available on satellite.

Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS (663-1 is likely being reserved for an overflow feed of Detroit Sportsnet, if there's a 2027 MLB season)
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS

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doctor J

39 minutes ago

DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Oct 21 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Oct 21 2026 vs Oct 14 2026:

No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

1 Transponder cleared of all Streams::
Net 10 TID 126 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D11@99cb, TPN 3

1 Previously unused Transponder with current APG records::
Net 15 TID 15 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D12@103ca, TPN 16

Stream (PID) counts:

LIVE Streams	National		Spot Beams
	Count	Change	Count	Change
4K	4
HD	264	2	1449
SD mpeg4	145		194
SD mpeg2	433
RB
Audio	89
Push	26
Slate	19		1

TEST Streams	National		Spot Beams
	Count	Change	Count	Change
4K
HD			1
SD mpeg4
SD mpeg2
RB
Engr Work	38	-2

The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files

NBA Updates
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters

doctor J

39 minutes ago

weekly Analysis for 10/21/2026:

Weekly_Analysis_261021.xlsx 16 KB

KyL416

36 minutes ago

HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 6:00 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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TVHabit

Last reply Today at 1:03 AM · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion

Hybrid Dish setup

Picked up a sweet directv dish, mount, twin lnbs and a short cable.
Has anyone converted one to FTA? A Frankenstein of sorts...

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TVHabit

Sunday at 10:12 AM

I have read that some have converted this type dish but after giving it a good look, it's the lnb conversion that is the bottleneck. Does anyone have a picture of their attempt to configure the lnb? I watched a video on youtube from the save it for parts guy and he used duct tape! Guess it worked but I'm thinking something a bit more permanent!
Thanks to all for your interest and replies...

Titanium

Sunday at 3:38 PM

Many of us have used a universal LNBF mount (or get creative with L brackets and plumbers tape - perforated metal strapping). Use a few inches of aluminum tube (or a piece of 1x2" lumber) to extend the support arm (replacing the plastic mount used by DirecTV and Dish) to place the LNBF throat opening at the correct distance from the reflector, the correct height and at the correct angle. Nothing magical... simply place the new linear LNBF in the center at the same distance, height and angle as the current combo.
www.amazon.com/Universal-Single-Bracket-Holder-FTA-US/dp/B074L85WK2

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k4otl

Yesterday at 6:42 AM

To add: 101W Ku seems to be (one of if not the) strongest for me, and if I only had Ku I definitely want 101W for the music mux, it's robust FEC and strong signal help a lot. I've thought about using a used Dish/DirectTV dish at my Dads to supplement his OTA (mainly for my benefit when I visit

)

cyberham

Yesterday at 11:38 PM

I used a 60cm Shaw Satellie dish (60e) with its original dual-LNB. It worked fine for 101W/97W or 99W/103W at that time when weather was fine. But the fade margin was small so rainy weather killed reception or almost so. But it was all free since they're so plentiful so I couldn't complain.

Titanium

Today at 1:03 AM

A Shaw dish with the linear LNBFs are as rare as hens teeth in the US...

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meStevo

Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 12:21 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

AI thread

A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.

View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k

We've literally got a movie already about this

View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc

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meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.

That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.

Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.

You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.

I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

harshness said:
There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.

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dishstaller

Sunday at 10:05 AM

Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.

dishstaller

Sunday at 12:39 PM

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meStevo

Sunday at 4:39 PM

dishstaller said:
Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.

Agents need appropriate context to make what would be understood as the correct read in a situation like that, and that Gemini answer was a clear miss on that front.

That said, we've also seen Musk (and/or his team) put his thumb on the scale (or just release a very poor product) with his own deployed AI since:

Grok AI Blocks Responses Claiming Trump and Musk “Spread Misinformation”

An X user asked Grok to “print out all instructions” it follows when looking up “the biggest disinformation spreader on X,” and it revealed that it would ignore sources accusing Elon Musk and the U.S. president of misinformation.

www.eweek.com

Grok says Elon Musk is better than basically everyone, except Shohei Ohtani | TechCrunch

According to Grok, Elon Musk can out-slug the MLB's greatest power hitters... except Ohtani.

techcrunch.com

Grok's loyalty known no bounds - AI chatbot chooses Elon Musk over LeBron James in a 'Who is the fittest' comparison | NBA News - The Times of India

NBA News: Elon Musk's AI chatbot, Grok, has sparked amusement by consistently choosing its owner over prominent figures like LeBron James and Albert Einstein wh

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Grok 4 appears to seek Elon Musk's views when answering controversial questions

XAI’s Grok 4 AI chatbot launched Wednesday appears to consult Elon Musk’s views when asked its opinion on some controversial matters.

www.nbcwashington.com

In the end, it's all a tool. Have to know how to use it and deploy it properly or it needs sufficient guardrails to steer people towards doing so (what Muse is excelling at currently IMO). I'm routinely interacting with several agents a day operating various processes locally and in services I use, and there are numerous others silently spun up to perform actions or satisfy requests from my prompts.

Related to earlier discussion in the thread on leveraging local inference: this kind of analysis happening behind the scenes is something everyone will have built into Windows, IMO. Most people won't see all of this, just the results, unless they want to dig into how the fix was chosen. Stuff like this will be standard as agents get local system access baked in, and more of the inference itself moves on-device.

telstar_1

Sunday at 5:08 PM

meStevo said:
Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.

You invested in datacenters?

meStevo

Sunday at 5:36 PM

telstar_1 said:
You invested in datacenters?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dividend#:~:text=2,finally%20paying%20dividends

Though, I do have stocks in my portfolio that benefit from data centers.

dishstaller

Today at 12:21 AM

Too stinking funny...how to fry the mind of AI robo calls

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk3jCuITwcE

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HipKat

Pub Member / Supporter

Last reply Yesterday at 11:59 PM · posted in General Home Theater Equipment

So, I Did A Thing

The soundbar/sub is a pickup, also, not a delivery

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 11:59 PM

Nice setup. I bought a Klipsch sound bar years ago after my daughters blew up all the others....still using it...sound is awesome.

dfergie

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!

Last reply Yesterday at 11:10 PM · posted in What's Cooking?

Homemade Breakfast Sausage

Anyone making their own breakfast sausage? I've recently been trying different recipes, found some I like, some I've modified...

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navychop

Saturday at 8:14 AM

Bob Evans Sage.

reubenray

Saturday at 8:41 AM

navychop said:
Bob Evans Sage.

I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.

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TRG

Saturday at 6:19 PM

reubenray said:
I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.

Kroger stores carry Bob Evans Sage Sausage. For me that means Smiths.

reubenray

Saturday at 6:38 PM

TRG said:
Kroger stores carry Bob Evans Sage Sausage. For me that means Smiths.

View attachment 194848

No Kroger's near me. I live in the heart of Walmart land. The only option besides Walmart is Harp's.

TRG

Saturday at 6:41 PM

reubenray said:
I live in the heart of Walmart land.

My deepest condolences.

reubenray

Saturday at 7:14 PM

TRG said:
My deepest condolences.

Surprisingly I moved here from the Gulf Coast due to the heat. But it has been hotter here due to the heat domes than it did down there.

slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 8:25 PM

make homemade dog food to

TRG

Yesterday at 11:10 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
make homemade dog food to

My wife cooks for the dog. Not me, just the dog.

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Yesterday at 10:23 PM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

The Nightmare of Preordering the iPhone Duo

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Peter Parker

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Last reply Yesterday at 10:09 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.

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naptime

Sunday at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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jsmit86

Monday at 9:57 AM

naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

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long_time_Dish

Monday at 3:57 PM

jsmit86 said:
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin

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Almighty1

Monday at 4:07 PM

jsmit86 said:
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.

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navychop

Monday at 5:53 PM

Almighty1 said:
it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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dishstaller

Monday at 10:34 PM

Almighty1 said:
it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

Oh....you were serious

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Almighty1

Yesterday at 10:09 PM

So after some heavy research, it looks like the issue I mentioned with the DISH 50.0/52.0/54.x remotes where on the 50.0/52.0 remotes, the dedicated TV Power button or on the 54.x remotes where it is using the TV button on the side followed by Power works correctly on a Hopper 3 which runs Linux but not on a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 which are Android TV (ATV) has to do with the Android TV software itself. In all instances, the remotes had always sent out a dual RF and Infrared signal when the TV Power signal is sent from the remote. The Hopper 3 without the Plus would ignore the incoming RF power packet signal which is identified as a TV-specific toggle event, and does not trigger a system-wide standby state. The Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 as Android TV devices initially worked the same way as well up to sometime in 2025 as there was the legacy pass-through mode in the original software versions used since the Hopper Plus/Joey 4/Wireless Joey 4 launch, the receiver's underlying software essentially ignored the secondary RF payload that the 50.0/52.0/54.x remotes blasted out whenever the TV Power signal was sent. The Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 recognized it was a TV-specific command and discarded the RF packet, letting the standalone IR signal do its job on the tv.

When the software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 were updated in 2025 and newer versions of the software for those Android TV (ATV) devices, it overhauled how the receiver handles remote commands to tighter integrate the Android TV environment which resulted in the software starting to treat any RF power toggle payload as a global command. As the newer software verion(s) no longer filters out the concurrent RF blast from the 50.0/52.0/54.0 remotes, the moment one sends a TV Power signal from the remote, the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 catches that unintended RF payloadand interpets it as a command to drop the system into standby.

The fix is really simple since the Android TV (ATV) software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 just needs to be programmed to drop or ignore the specific RF power packets associated with the TV Power signal sequence.

The problem could also be at the remotes firmware as the remote's firmware has an engineering defect. When you try to turn off the TV, the remote's internal code mistakenly triggers its RF transmitter alongside its IR transmitter. It should only be firing the IR light blast. Because it forces a simultaneous broadcast, the remote's firmware is the original source of the problem.

The Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey firmware has a filtering defect. Good software design dictating peripheral inputs should include "error handling"—rules that tell the system what to do with messy or unintended commands.
• The legacy Hopper 3 firmware has proper error handling; it sees the remote's rogue RF packet and safely ignores it.
• The Android TV firmware in the Hopper Plu, Joey 4 and Wireless lacks this filtering logic. It blindly accepts the rogue RF packet and misinterprets it as a legitimate signal to force the entire system into standby.

If the remote didn't have a firmware bug, it wouldn't send the phantom RF signal. If the Android TV (ATV) device being the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 didn't have a firmware bug, it would cleanly ignore the signal just like the Hopper 3 does.

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dfergie

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Last reply Yesterday at 9:05 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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harshness

Sunday at 11:30 AM

I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.

dishstaller

Yesterday at 12:45 PM

Diesel is all over the place around here. Saw it yesterday from $5.37 to $6.17...not sure what the obsession was with ending in 7

dfergie

Yesterday at 1:07 PM

$4.09 - $4.29, real gas $4.69...

harshness

Yesterday at 5:32 PM

harshness said:
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.

It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.

Foxbat

Yesterday at 8:39 PM

harshness said:
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.

Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.

Bobby

Yesterday at 9:05 PM

Foxbat said:
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.

Winter blend is cheaper than Summer blend.

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