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Nded

Last reply Aug 10, 2009 · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

Does NFL ST use HDCP to limit number of screens?

I'm trying to find out if the NFL Sunday Ticket broadcast uses the HDCP flag to limit how many screens are being shown the same image? Does anybody have any practical experience with trying to split/share the HDMI output from something like the HR21 receiver to mutliple HDTV displays?

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boomer_106

Aug 10, 2009

That is definitely a top notch setup. It won't be cheap but, it's fabulous. I wonder what DTV charges a bar for 10 Rec. and a commercial Sunday Ticket sub? That place should be pretty popular when word of that setup gets around.

Pepper, I hear ya. I've seen some big screens that are so dark they look pathetic. What a waste of money.

Nded

Aug 10, 2009

boomer_106 said:
That is definitely a top notch setup. It won't be cheap but, it's fabulous. I wonder what DTV charges a bar for 10 Rec. and a commercial Sunday Ticket sub? That place should be pretty popular when word of that setup gets around.

Pepper, I hear ya. I've seen some big screens that are so dark they look pathetic. What a waste of money.

That information is publicly available from the DirecTV website. You can find all the details in the PDF at http://www.directv.com/images/Direc..._and_Restaurants_Public_Viewing_Paperwork.pdf . The pricing is not based on the number of receivers, it's based on the firecode approved seating capacity of the establishment. Here are some of the posted prices for automatically renewed bars/restaurants:

Seats Season Fee
1-50 $945.99
51-100 $1,049.97
101-200 $2,519.97
201-350 $3,464.97
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-
5,001-10,000 $39,899.97
10,001+ $48,089.97

Smith P.

Aug 10, 2009

I still don't get it, especially I'm doubt if any HTTP or whatever client could manage IGMP in the router and it was mentioned Cisco router doesn't required "it does NOT have to be a Cisco switch". By my knowledge managing IGMP must be done thru management console of the router. That's foundation rule. Clients must have no access to managing any router.

boomer_106

Aug 10, 2009

Nded said:
That information is publicly available from the DirecTV website. You can find all the details in the PDF at http://www.directv.com/images/Direc..._and_Restaurants_Public_Viewing_Paperwork.pdf . The pricing is not based on the number of receivers, it's based on the firecode approved seating capacity of the establishment. Here are some of the posted prices for automatically renewed bars/restaurants:

Seats Season Fee
1-50 $945.99
51-100 $1,049.97
101-200 $2,519.97
201-350 $3,464.97
-
-
-
5,001-10,000 $39,899.97
10,001+ $48,089.97

Thanks. I'd never seen that pdf on their website. It does say on that first package the 170+ pack that it includes 2 outlet fees and then it's $13 per each extra receiver. I guess most places have programming besides Sunday ticket so they probably pay that. All in all, it's not real cheap to have it. It takes a pretty good business increase I would think to pay it.

Nded

Aug 10, 2009

Smith said:
I still don't get it, especially I'm doubt if any HTTP or whatever client could manage IGMP in the router and it was mentioned Cisco router doesn't required "it does NOT have to be a Cisco switch". By my knowledge managing IGMP must be done thru management console of the router. That's foundation rule. Clients must have no access to managing any router.

I asked the engineers behind the networking component of the HDMI over IP solution to comment about this recommendation and they don't really want to publicly give out a whole lot of details/secrets away about how we are doing some of this at this time. Please just accept that we recommend you choose a Managed Switch that does support IGMP. You are certainly welcome to try the HDMI over IP solution on a Managed Switch that does not support IGMP, we just don't recommend it. The switch we used during the "proof of concept" phase was the Cisco Catalyst 2960 24LT-L. About 1/4 of the way down the specifications posted on the Cisco website at Cisco Catalyst 2960 Switches with LAN Base Software [Cisco Catalyst 2960 Series Switches] - Cisco Systems you will see the following under the heading Superior Manageability:

IGMPv3 snooping for IPv4 and MLD v1 and v2 Snooping for IPv6 provide fast client joins and leaves of multicast streams and limits bandwidth-intensive video traffic to only the requestors.

Do you have a specific objection to using a Managed Switch that supports IGMP? If you have a business opportunity in mind that justifies a "need to know more", please send me a PM. I hope you can appreciate the need to keep some things about our technology confidential.

Smith P.

Aug 10, 2009

OK, thanks for the clarification - it would be enough for me now to do diligent work in background when it will be nessesary.

JosephB

Aug 10, 2009

Nded said:
I asked the engineers behind the networking component of the HDMI over IP solution to comment about this recommendation and they don't really want to publicly give out a whole lot of details/secrets away about how we are doing some of this at this time. Please just accept that we recommend you choose a Managed Switch that does support IGMP. You are certainly welcome to try the HDMI over IP solution on a Managed Switch that does not support IGMP, we just don't recommend it. The switch we used during the "proof of concept" phase was the Cisco Catalyst 2960 24LT-L. About 1/4 of the way down the specifications posted on the Cisco website at Cisco Catalyst 2960 Switches with LAN Base Software [Cisco Catalyst 2960 Series Switches] - Cisco Systems you will see the following under the heading Superior Manageability:

Do you have a specific objection to using a Managed Switch that supports IGMP? If you have a business opportunity in mind that justifies a "need to know more", please send me a PM. I hope you can appreciate the need to keep some things about our technology confidential.

I can understand the need to be confidential, but the reasoning behind why IGMP is required seems like required knowledge for getting the system up and running. How do you troubleshoot if something goes wrong unless you know what purpose IGMP is serving? Or do you require your company install/setup/support the product?

Nded

Aug 10, 2009

JosephB said:
I can understand the need to be confidential, but the reasoning behind why IGMP is required seems like required knowledge for getting the system up and running. How do you troubleshoot if something goes wrong unless you know what purpose IGMP is serving? Or do you require your company install/setup/support the product?

The setup is really quite simple (at least from my perspective). All of the devices have fixed IP addresses, so you don't have to bother with HDCP or adding a Router to the HDMI LAN. Using static port VLAN's, you setup a different VLAN for each HDMI over IP Transmitter. Then you plug your HDMI over IP Receivers into their own network ports and tell the switch what VLAN they should join. When you want to change a screen to a different source, you just change the VLAN for that Receivers port.

The Cisco Catalyst 2960 we used for the test was reset to factory default settings before we began, and we did nothing to customize the switch, beyond the VLAN assignments. We have some other make/model Managed Switches coming into the lab this week for testing purposes. It is our expectation that the HDMI over IP solution will work with all of these Managed Switches right out of the box.

We are also working with a number of companies to develop a more friendly to Wife and Kids interface, and even some IR control options.

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dishstaller

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 44 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

You can't even trust the cost per ounce info in grocery stores anymore

I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share

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Jimbo

Today at 9:23 AM

dishstaller said:
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share

Walmart isn't the only one ...

Juan

Today at 11:17 AM

dishstaller said:
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share

When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...the product label only shows the weight of the product...I am sure if you brought your own plastic baggies to bring the product home you could get the cheaper price

harshness

Today at 11:18 AM

Jimbo said:
Walmart isn't the only one ...

I've been seeing this more and more on Amazon. Sometimes it seems there is no way they could have arrived at the number.

What rankles me even more is Costco changing units of measure between similar products, so you have to convert them to compare prices.

dishstaller

44 minutes ago

Juan said:
When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...

Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.

Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply 49 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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sdfntx

Today at 9:36 AM

Love Every Little Thing About You - Gallery

gms49ers

Today at 10:40 AM

Where's My Thing? - Rush

harshness

Today at 11:08 AM

I Don't Wanna Miss a Thing - Aerosmith

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Bobby

Today at 11:20 AM

Good Golly, Miss Molly - Little Richard

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dishstaller

49 minutes ago

Little Miss Dangerous - Ted Nugent

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dfergie

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!

Last reply Today at 11:26 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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harshness

Sunday at 11:30 AM

I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.

harshness

Yesterday at 5:32 PM

harshness said:
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.

It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.

Foxbat

Yesterday at 8:39 PM

harshness said:
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.

Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.

Bobby

Yesterday at 9:05 PM

Foxbat said:
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.

Winter blend is cheaper than Summer blend.

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Bobby

Today at 11:21 AM

Regular$5.839
Premium$6.299
Diesel$7.999
at Costco, Rohnert Park.

harshness

Today at 11:26 AM

Foxbat said:
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price?

Winter blend is reportedly 10-30 cents cheaper, but I would point out that prices have dropped as much as 62 cents at RP.

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reubenray

Today at 11:19 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish vs Streaming Apps?

Every time my Dish contract comes up I weigh the options of keeping Dish or switch to streaming. Right now I can watch/record the OTA channels vis my HDHomerun. I also can stream CBS and NBC via the Paramount+ and Peacock apps. What I would need to find is how to watch the Food Network, HGTV, Syfy, USA, Hallmark channels, Great American Family, Lifetime channels plus a few more with an app or two. My current Dish bill is $118, so I should be able to get a few apps for a lot less.

Any suggestions? I would want the best picture quality and audio quality I could get.

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Last reply Today at 11:18 AM · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center

Site is slooooow

For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.

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Scott Greczkowski

Saturday at 3:21 PM

Ok checked it out and for some reason the web server (NGINX) tried starting before the DNS resolver fully loaded. This is why it worked when I rebooted the machine.

Thanks to ChatGPT it had me change the NGINX config to prevent this from happening again.

With that said I can't prevent the ISP from doing emergency upgrades which was the cause of all of this.

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navychop

Saturday at 3:39 PM

Nature will develop better idiots.

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TRG

Saturday at 4:19 PM

navychop said:
Nature will develop better idiots.

God help us.

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Scott Greczkowski

Monday at 11:15 AM

I guess this is what the downtime was about.

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Scott Greczkowski

Today at 11:18 AM

Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)

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Today at 10:52 AM · posted in BooredAtWork.COM

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Gary Toma

Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 10:40 AM · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum

DIRECTV Transponder Map ~ Data 10/14/2026

The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:

National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)

Additional tabs provide:

OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders

Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions

DIRECTV_TPN_Map_261014.xlsx 1,874 KB

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KyL416

Yesterday at 2:37 PM

WCWW/25 CW South Bend and WBKP/5 CW Marquette are now testing on the stream server. These are both already available on satellite.

Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS (663-1 is likely being reserved for an overflow feed of Detroit Sportsnet, if there's a 2027 MLB season)
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS

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doctor J

Today at 7:22 AM

DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Oct 21 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Oct 21 2026 vs Oct 14 2026:

No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

1 Transponder cleared of all Streams::
Net 10 TID 126 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D11@99cb, TPN 3

1 Previously unused Transponder with current APG records::
Net 15 TID 15 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D12@103ca, TPN 16

Stream (PID) counts:

LIVE Streams	National		Spot Beams
	Count	Change	Count	Change
4K	4
HD	264	2	1449
SD mpeg4	145		194
SD mpeg2	433
RB
Audio	89
Push	26
Slate	19		1

TEST Streams	National		Spot Beams
	Count	Change	Count	Change
4K
HD			1
SD mpeg4
SD mpeg2
RB
Engr Work	38	-2

The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files

NBA Updates
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters

doctor J

Today at 7:23 AM

weekly Analysis for 10/21/2026:

Weekly_Analysis_261021.xlsx 16 KB

KyL416

Today at 7:25 AM

HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps

Mr Tony

Today at 10:40 AM

KyL416 said:
HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps

Wait…..
So even though DAZN keeps touting 'only way to see games' if you are a subscriber to Choice (like my stepdad) if an agreement is reached he can see the Wolfies on 668?
I know the Wild are in dispute and a slate is on 668-1.

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Marques Brownlee

Today at 10:32 AM · posted in Marques Brownlee