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Derek Anderson Re-Re-Revisited
As posted in the NFL Thread by Skyhi, Browns Coach, Eric Mangini named Derek Anderson the new starter and benched Brady Quinn.
I have been a big Brady Quinn supporter as referenced here on these very forums with me clamoring on and singing the Manfred Mann songs titled: "The Mighty Quinn". Now that it appears the Quinn era is over, let us revisit our new leader: Derek Anderson.
Before I do though, back to Quinn for a second. Some say the coaching staff rushed the decision to bench Quinn. The truth is, he's had 3 years to prove himself in practice and in 6 real games, but was extrememly underwhelming (including preseason) when given the chance. Through 6 regular season games, Quinn has a QB Rating of 64.5% with 3 TD's and 5 interceptions. Bottom line, he was ineffective and couldn't move the chains.
DA's emergence in 2007 was unexpected. I think it messed up both QBs tremendously. Quinn never got to develop and get the playing time he should have. Anderson was forced to look over his shoulder and was even vilified for preventing the home town favorite (Quinn) from playing. After the breakout 2007 season, DA was blamed for an end of the season loss to Cincinnati where we had the chance to go to the playoffs with a win. Instead, DA threw 4 interceptions and lost the game. Fans never forgave him for that loss. 2 years removed from '07, let's revisit DA....
Positives:
-He is only 26 years old.
-He has a 13-13 career record in 26 career starts for a franchise that in the same time period had a record of 18-33.
-He made a Pro Bowl at 24 years old (as an alternate, but made the Pro Bowl).
-Clearly has the physical skills of an NFL quarterback.
-Threw 29 TD passes in his first season as a starter, #2 all-time for a Browns QB in a single season.
-Went 10-5 as the Browns starter in '07, which is the 2nd most wins by a Browns starting QB (Kosar won 12 in 1986) over the last 30 years.
-He has thrown 43 TD passes
The negatives:
-He has thrown 38 interceptions.
-He had a high interception percentage in college as well.
-He has shown inconsistency.
Obviously the negatives are a huge concern. However, isn't it possible that a 26 year old QB can improve and overcome the negatives? Surely discipline can be taught, right? Are there enough positives to build on?
I think the fact that Brady Quinn was on the roster made people very cynical about Anderson's 2007. Anderson was flat out awesome in several games. Some that come to mind:
-The win in the shootout with the Bengals.
-The comeback against the Seahawks.
-The comeback against the Ravens (that throw he made to set up Dawson's field goal was amazing).
And yes, he had a horrendous game in a "must win" situation against Cincy on the road and threw 4 interceptions. However, in other "must win" games down the stretch he beat Baltimore, Houston, the Jets, and Buffalo and played very well.
Obviously 2008 was a different story.
I do remember Anderson's last start however. The Browns were playing a tough Baltimore team and were winning 27-13. Anderson had thrown two TD passes against one of the best defenses in football. Late in the third quarter he throw a perfect pass to Braylon Edwards for a TD. Edwards dropped it. That score would have put the game away.
The Ravens rallied back and won 37-27, sealing the victory on a late interception for a TD by Terrell Suggs. Anderson finished with 2 TDs and 1 Int and 219 yards passing. He was benched after that game for Quinn.
Anderson did not have a great 2008. He did finish with 9 TDs and 8 Ints, and went 3-5 as the Browns starter.
I guess I wonder if the Browns truly commit to Anderson and let him develop, can he grow like other young QBs did who threw interceptions, such as Brett Favre, Ben Roethlesberger, Vinny Testaverde, and be a "franchise" QB?
After the short window of opportunity of both Quinn and Anderson, my assessment is this: It appears DA's ceiling is higher. He has the arm strength to stretch the field. He has the ability to move the chains and torch opposing secondaries. He just needs to eliminate some boneheaded interceptions.
With that said, welcome back Derek. Best of luck to you. Go Browns!!!
As posted in the NFL Thread by Skyhi, Browns Coach, Eric Mangini named Derek Anderson the new starter and benched Brady Quinn.
I have been a big Brady Quinn supporter as referenced here on these very forums with me clamoring on and singing the Manfred Mann songs titled: "The Mighty Quinn". Now that it appears the Quinn era is over, let us revisit our new leader: Derek Anderson.
Before I do though, back to Quinn for a second. Some say the coaching staff rushed the decision to bench Quinn. The truth is, he's had 3 years to prove himself in practice and in 6 real games, but was extrememly underwhelming (including preseason) when given the chance. Through 6 regular season games, Quinn has a QB Rating of 64.5% with 3 TD's and 5 interceptions. Bottom line, he was ineffective and couldn't move the chains.
DA's emergence in 2007 was unexpected. I think it messed up both QBs tremendously. Quinn never got to develop and get the playing time he should have. Anderson was forced to look over his shoulder and was even vilified for preventing the home town favorite (Quinn) from playing. After the breakout 2007 season, DA was blamed for an end of the season loss to Cincinnati where we had the chance to go to the playoffs with a win. Instead, DA threw 4 interceptions and lost the game. Fans never forgave him for that loss. 2 years removed from '07, let's revisit DA....
Positives:
-He is only 26 years old.
-He has a 13-13 career record in 26 career starts for a franchise that in the same time period had a record of 18-33.
-He made a Pro Bowl at 24 years old (as an alternate, but made the Pro Bowl).
-Clearly has the physical skills of an NFL quarterback.
-Threw 29 TD passes in his first season as a starter, #2 all-time for a Browns QB in a single season.
-Went 10-5 as the Browns starter in '07, which is the 2nd most wins by a Browns starting QB (Kosar won 12 in 1986) over the last 30 years.
-He has thrown 43 TD passes
The negatives:
-He has thrown 38 interceptions.
-He had a high interception percentage in college as well.
-He has shown inconsistency.
Obviously the negatives are a huge concern. However, isn't it possible that a 26 year old QB can improve and overcome the negatives? Surely discipline can be taught, right? Are there enough positives to build on?
I think the fact that Brady Quinn was on the roster made people very cynical about Anderson's 2007. Anderson was flat out awesome in several games. Some that come to mind:
-The win in the shootout with the Bengals.
-The comeback against the Seahawks.
-The comeback against the Ravens (that throw he made to set up Dawson's field goal was amazing).
And yes, he had a horrendous game in a "must win" situation against Cincy on the road and threw 4 interceptions. However, in other "must win" games down the stretch he beat Baltimore, Houston, the Jets, and Buffalo and played very well.
Obviously 2008 was a different story.
I do remember Anderson's last start however. The Browns were playing a tough Baltimore team and were winning 27-13. Anderson had thrown two TD passes against one of the best defenses in football. Late in the third quarter he throw a perfect pass to Braylon Edwards for a TD. Edwards dropped it. That score would have put the game away.
The Ravens rallied back and won 37-27, sealing the victory on a late interception for a TD by Terrell Suggs. Anderson finished with 2 TDs and 1 Int and 219 yards passing. He was benched after that game for Quinn.
Anderson did not have a great 2008. He did finish with 9 TDs and 8 Ints, and went 3-5 as the Browns starter.
I guess I wonder if the Browns truly commit to Anderson and let him develop, can he grow like other young QBs did who threw interceptions, such as Brett Favre, Ben Roethlesberger, Vinny Testaverde, and be a "franchise" QB?
After the short window of opportunity of both Quinn and Anderson, my assessment is this: It appears DA's ceiling is higher. He has the arm strength to stretch the field. He has the ability to move the chains and torch opposing secondaries. He just needs to eliminate some boneheaded interceptions.
With that said, welcome back Derek. Best of luck to you. Go Browns!!!
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A 6-3 215 pound Gorilla beats up a 135 pound 5-7 weakling and you immediately blame the guy who was staring at Braylons belly button when he got slugged?
A 6-3 215 pound Gorilla beats up a 135 pound 5-7 weakling and you immediately blame the guy who was staring at Braylons belly button when he got slugged?
Ok first off, your "Gorilla" comment was way out of line, but by now I know your M.O., so I'll move on....
My initial comments on this incident were to simply point out there are 2 sides to every story. Braylon has NEVER given any example in the past that he's some sort of hooligan or thug or any other descriptive word that you've used. From what I know, he's NEVER been in trouble with the law. He's an upstanding citizen and has given back to the community multiple times throughout his career.
What does all of this mean? Well, for one, it leads me to believe there is more to this story. Braylon wouldn't just hall off and punch someone for no reason. Do you know what the other side of the story is before you set off this morning in an attempt to crucify him?
With that said and as more information came out, you can also read my thoughts posted here this very morning (post #40) about this subject. I agree there is no excuse for him to lose his temper, especially as a public figure. But for you to spout off with insults and multiple postings on this subject, including a new thread is WAY out of line. Hopefully the powers that be will see the true incitement intents of your posts someday and ban you once and for all.
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Perhaps Delonte (Wild Wild) West can mosey his way into town and take care of this whole Cleveland mess...
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Picked up a sweet directv dish, mount, twin lnbs and a short cable.
Has anyone converted one to FTA? A Frankenstein of sorts...
Has anyone converted one to FTA? A Frankenstein of sorts...
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Many of us have used a universal LNBF mount (or get creative with L brackets and plumbers tape - perforated metal strapping). Use a few inches of aluminum tube (or a piece of 1x2" lumber) to extend the support arm (replacing the plastic mount used by DirecTV and Dish) to place the LNBF throat opening at the correct distance from the reflector, the correct height and at the correct angle. Nothing magical... simply place the new linear LNBF in the center at the same distance, height and angle as the current combo.
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To add: 101W Ku seems to be (one of if not the) strongest for me, and if I only had Ku I definitely want 101W for the music mux, it's robust FEC and strong signal help a lot. I've thought about using a used Dish/DirectTV dish at my Dads to supplement his OTA (mainly for my benefit when I visit 
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A Shaw dish with the linear LNBFs are as rare as hens teeth in the US...
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A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.
Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.
View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k
We've literally got a movie already about this
View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc
Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.
View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k
We've literally got a movie already about this
View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc
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Agents need appropriate context to make what would be understood as the correct read in a situation like that, and that Gemini answer was a clear miss on that front.
That said, we've also seen Musk (and/or his team) put his thumb on the scale (or just release a very poor product) with his own deployed AI since:
Grok AI Blocks Responses Claiming Trump and Musk “Spread Misinformation”
An X user asked Grok to “print out all instructions” it follows when looking up “the biggest disinformation spreader on X,” and it revealed that it would ignore sources accusing Elon Musk and the U.S. president of misinformation.
Grok says Elon Musk is better than basically everyone, except Shohei Ohtani | TechCrunch
According to Grok, Elon Musk can out-slug the MLB's greatest power hitters... except Ohtani.
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Grok's loyalty known no bounds - AI chatbot chooses Elon Musk over LeBron James in a 'Who is the fittest' comparison | NBA News - The Times of India
NBA News: Elon Musk's AI chatbot, Grok, has sparked amusement by consistently choosing its owner over prominent figures like LeBron James and Albert Einstein wh
timesofindia.indiatimes.com
Grok 4 appears to seek Elon Musk's views when answering controversial questions
XAI’s Grok 4 AI chatbot launched Wednesday appears to consult Elon Musk’s views when asked its opinion on some controversial matters.
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In the end, it's all a tool. Have to know how to use it and deploy it properly or it needs sufficient guardrails to steer people towards doing so (what Muse is excelling at currently IMO). I'm routinely interacting with several agents a day operating various processes locally and in services I use, and there are numerous others silently spun up to perform actions or satisfy requests from my prompts.
Related to earlier discussion in the thread on leveraging local inference: this kind of analysis happening behind the scenes is something everyone will have built into Windows, IMO. Most people won't see all of this, just the results, unless they want to dig into how the fix was chosen. Stuff like this will be standard as agents get local system access baked in, and more of the inference itself moves on-device.
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The soundbar/sub is a pickup, also, not a delivery
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My wife cooks for the dog. Not me, just the dog.make homemade dog food to
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No idea what improvements might be involved.
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Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
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I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy
Ethanol Free Stations
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Ok, I'm bored .... actually - to be more precise - I'm bored of eating the same rotation of 9 or 10 meals that are currently my "go-to" meals. My wife works the long hours - I work from home as and when i feel like it ... which means i generally do most of the cooking ... and so by default - i also make out the shopping list ...
We cook at home 5 or even 6 nights a week - but we always seem to fall back on the same old tried and tested "quick and easy but tastes ok" meals. Week in week out.
Pot Roast - mash and Peas.
Spaghetti
Chicken Pasta in cheese sauce.
Curry & rice
(these are some of mine)
Now it's not that I'm not adventurous in the kitchen ... I'll try anything once or twice ... but we all do it. Unless your name is Martha Stewart or Rachel Ray .. we all eventually fall back on our 8-10 favorite "meals"
So i thought - if we shared some of our own go-to meals with each other ... we might be able to add a few "new" ones to our own arsenal of meals.
So again - I ask you ...
What's for dinner tonight ?
Please give me something new to add to my rotation ... its our weekly shop tomorrow - so i want to pull together a few idea's and try and eat a meal each day next week that I've never had before .. or at least something that is not on my current "go-to" meal plan.
What meal do you always seem to fall back on in your house ? Maybe its something that I've never tried or not had in a while. I need inspiration !! I've got a blank shopping list in front of me - and nothing sounds good .. HELP !
We cook at home 5 or even 6 nights a week - but we always seem to fall back on the same old tried and tested "quick and easy but tastes ok" meals. Week in week out.
Pot Roast - mash and Peas.
Spaghetti
Chicken Pasta in cheese sauce.
Curry & rice
(these are some of mine)
Now it's not that I'm not adventurous in the kitchen ... I'll try anything once or twice ... but we all do it. Unless your name is Martha Stewart or Rachel Ray .. we all eventually fall back on our 8-10 favorite "meals"
So i thought - if we shared some of our own go-to meals with each other ... we might be able to add a few "new" ones to our own arsenal of meals.
So again - I ask you ...
What's for dinner tonight ?
Please give me something new to add to my rotation ... its our weekly shop tomorrow - so i want to pull together a few idea's and try and eat a meal each day next week that I've never had before .. or at least something that is not on my current "go-to" meal plan.
What meal do you always seem to fall back on in your house ? Maybe its something that I've never tried or not had in a while. I need inspiration !! I've got a blank shopping list in front of me - and nothing sounds good .. HELP !
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Smoked some salmon on the grill while enjoying some Blue Moon beer. Kinda cool tonight so I fired up the heaters. Here in FL, we fire up heaters once the temps get below 60 
As for the salmon, I seared them first, then flipped them off to the side not over the coals and brushed on some lemon pepper marinade followed by some salmon seasoning. Threw some hickory chips on the coals and then closed the vents to about 10% airflow. Yum.
As for the salmon, I seared them first, then flipped them off to the side not over the coals and brushed on some lemon pepper marinade followed by some salmon seasoning. Threw some hickory chips on the coals and then closed the vents to about 10% airflow. Yum.