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I am also an OTA newb and I need a little help with my setup.
I live in an area where cable is not offered (it's actually about 400 yards down the road but they will not extend it) and Dish will not let me get local channels because the so called "local" stations think they will lose add revenue if they let me. I have lived without local channels for 4 years now because of this and I'm tired of it. So if I want local channels I have to get them OTA.
I live about 20 miles from most of the towers and cannot get any reception with a store bought indoor antenna. I considered buying a big OTA Antenna a couple years ago but the cost of the Antenna and mast and extra cable was going to cost me $200+. So to try and reduce the cost I made a DIY HD antenna that looks basically like 1/2 of a DB8 (4 bowties with cooling racks as reflectors and 2X4 for the spine). It's currently sitting on the floor behind the TV in my great room and when I perform a scan I can see 13 HD OTA channels. Only about 4 are watchable no signal drop (70+ signal strength) at any one time depending on where I face the antenna.
I have 2 Dish receivers that are used to connect 4 rooms; 1 VIP622 and 1 322G. Each is configured to run 2 rooms. I would like to get OTA in all 4 rooms using the existing Dish coax runs but I have read that diplexing HD with OTA doesn't work too well. If I have to run new cable for OTA I will, but if I don't have to I'd rather not. I think I will have to run a signal switch to at least the 2 rooms that don't have a physical receiver to switch between OTA and SAT.
Here are the specifics:
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Dish Network Hardware
Receivers: VIP622, 322G
Dish: Dish 1000.x (I'm not sure what the x is) mounted on 6 foot pole/mast in ground in back yard.
TV's
All TV's have built-in tuners.
House
Siding: Brick
Roof: 3 tab shingle, sloped on all sides.
1 Chimney: left side of house, vinyl siding
Current Dish Setup (Cable locations, connections, etc.)
Dish: 3LNB dish mounted on 6 foot pole/mast in ground in back yard toward the right side.
Cabling: 2 cables run from dish in back yard to 2 diplexers on right side of house about 40ft away. The diplexers split the 2 cables from the dish in to the 4 cables that go to each room.
I have a privacy fence around my back yard and I was thinking about installing a mast on one of the posts but now I think the chimney may be the best place for it. The only problem is the chimney is on the opposite side of the house from where the cable runs are. My house is approximately 60' long.
A relative gave me one of those rotators you can hook up that lets you rotate your antenna from inside your house. I'm not sure if I need it but I do have it.
Here are my questions:
1. Am I wasting my time with a DIY antenna?
2. Where is the best palce to mount my Antenna, whether it be store bought or DIY?
3. Can DishHD be diplexed with OTA (use the same cables)
4. If I can get OTA across the Dish cables what hardware will I need (diplexer, preamp, multiswitch, etc.)?
5. If I need to run new cables for OTA what hardware will I need (diplexer, preamp, multiswitch, etc.)?
6. A Dish installer stated that best OTA reception could be had by pointing an Antenna at an Interstate HWY that is about 4 miles away instead of toward the station towers. He claimed OTA signals bounce off the interstate and I could get better reception. It sounded bogus to me at the time but I figured I would ask the people who knew.
Any input/advice would be greatly appreciated.
I live in an area where cable is not offered (it's actually about 400 yards down the road but they will not extend it) and Dish will not let me get local channels because the so called "local" stations think they will lose add revenue if they let me. I have lived without local channels for 4 years now because of this and I'm tired of it. So if I want local channels I have to get them OTA.
I live about 20 miles from most of the towers and cannot get any reception with a store bought indoor antenna. I considered buying a big OTA Antenna a couple years ago but the cost of the Antenna and mast and extra cable was going to cost me $200+. So to try and reduce the cost I made a DIY HD antenna that looks basically like 1/2 of a DB8 (4 bowties with cooling racks as reflectors and 2X4 for the spine). It's currently sitting on the floor behind the TV in my great room and when I perform a scan I can see 13 HD OTA channels. Only about 4 are watchable no signal drop (70+ signal strength) at any one time depending on where I face the antenna.
I have 2 Dish receivers that are used to connect 4 rooms; 1 VIP622 and 1 322G. Each is configured to run 2 rooms. I would like to get OTA in all 4 rooms using the existing Dish coax runs but I have read that diplexing HD with OTA doesn't work too well. If I have to run new cable for OTA I will, but if I don't have to I'd rather not. I think I will have to run a signal switch to at least the 2 rooms that don't have a physical receiver to switch between OTA and SAT.
Here are the specifics:
Zip
31808
Dish Network Hardware
Receivers: VIP622, 322G
Dish: Dish 1000.x (I'm not sure what the x is) mounted on 6 foot pole/mast in ground in back yard.
TV's
All TV's have built-in tuners.
House
Siding: Brick
Roof: 3 tab shingle, sloped on all sides.
1 Chimney: left side of house, vinyl siding
Current Dish Setup (Cable locations, connections, etc.)
Dish: 3LNB dish mounted on 6 foot pole/mast in ground in back yard toward the right side.
Cabling: 2 cables run from dish in back yard to 2 diplexers on right side of house about 40ft away. The diplexers split the 2 cables from the dish in to the 4 cables that go to each room.
I have a privacy fence around my back yard and I was thinking about installing a mast on one of the posts but now I think the chimney may be the best place for it. The only problem is the chimney is on the opposite side of the house from where the cable runs are. My house is approximately 60' long.
A relative gave me one of those rotators you can hook up that lets you rotate your antenna from inside your house. I'm not sure if I need it but I do have it.
Here are my questions:
1. Am I wasting my time with a DIY antenna?
2. Where is the best palce to mount my Antenna, whether it be store bought or DIY?
3. Can DishHD be diplexed with OTA (use the same cables)
4. If I can get OTA across the Dish cables what hardware will I need (diplexer, preamp, multiswitch, etc.)?
5. If I need to run new cables for OTA what hardware will I need (diplexer, preamp, multiswitch, etc.)?
6. A Dish installer stated that best OTA reception could be had by pointing an Antenna at an Interstate HWY that is about 4 miles away instead of toward the station towers. He claimed OTA signals bounce off the interstate and I could get better reception. It sounded bogus to me at the time but I figured I would ask the people who knew.
Any input/advice would be greatly appreciated.
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digiblur - You mind elaborating a little on moving my service address? I actually asked the Dish installer about that and he said I would have to live close by an area that would allow me to get locals. Like within a few miles away. I'm about 100 miles from Atlanta. What exactly would I say to the customer service person to make that work?
Sorry, for the bad angle on the previous pic.
The pieces that looked like they were broken are actually supports for the antenna that connect to a mast. The antenna appears to made of all aluminum. I bent the VHF elements that appeared to be out of line back into place after i took te pic. Everything is straight now.
Here is a better angle:
Sorry, for the bad angle on the previous pic.
The pieces that looked like they were broken are actually supports for the antenna that connect to a mast. The antenna appears to made of all aluminum. I bent the VHF elements that appeared to be out of line back into place after i took te pic. Everything is straight now.
Here is a better angle:
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I was reading this article
thehill.com
That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.
And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.
Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.
There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.
In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.
Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.
Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.
So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households
So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.
That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.
But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.
Imagine what 2024 will be like.
Cable TV ‘cord-cutters’ became the majority in 2022
The steady decline of cable and broadcast television, and the rise of streaming services, reached a sort of inflection point over the past year. Last summer, for the first time, streaming ser…
thehill.com
That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.
And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.
Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.
There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.
In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.
Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.
Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.
So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households
So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.
That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.
But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.
Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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And again, 15 months in a row, streaming wins-
Cable and Broadcast added together-36.4%
Streaming with a massive 49.6%, 13.2% higher than Broadcast/Streaming.
Cable and Broadcast added together-36.4%
Streaming with a massive 49.6%, 13.2% higher than Broadcast/Streaming.
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Does someone still have the diagram showing how to connect two Hopper 3s again?
I currently have one H3 and one 4K Joey, set up through a 1000.2 eastern arc hybrid lnb and solo hub.
The plan is to replace the Joey with the second H3. Already purchased a duo hub and I have three coax cables coming in from outside, from back when I used to have the older 1000.4 dish and the hopper 2. I don't fully remember, but I think the other two coax cables are just tied up next to the dish outside; will have to check again.
I currently have one H3 and one 4K Joey, set up through a 1000.2 eastern arc hybrid lnb and solo hub.
The plan is to replace the Joey with the second H3. Already purchased a duo hub and I have three coax cables coming in from outside, from back when I used to have the older 1000.4 dish and the hopper 2. I don't fully remember, but I think the other two coax cables are just tied up next to the dish outside; will have to check again.
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While always entertaining....I hope you guys recognize that the child molesters they arrested in this video were STRICTLY due to tips from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. I strongly suggest that you go to their website and support them. They are the ONLY entity that is trying to curb all the perverts out there. And yes...if you want to have sex or see someone have sex with a minor you ARE a pervert.
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Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.
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