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There has been a fair amount of banter back and forth about the relative merits of 4DTV master feeds compared to pizza dish HD-lite. I actually did some direct comparisons a few months ago with the raw transport streams, but after satisfying myself with the results, I tossed the files of the losers. I'm going to try to find some of the salient examples on backup tapes, but that will take some time. But I wanted to provide an example to start, patched together as best as I can.
A few months ago I collected a number of cases where I had recorded a master 4DTV or DVB-S feed (by subscription or ITC) at the exact same time as I recorded Dish Network's re-encoded version via that subscription. Since then I have dropped most of my DN premium channels and sadly the 4DTV HD feeds from HBO and STARZ are no longer available. Until I find the old files, this makes any comparison indirect and potentially less valid. But it's still better than nothing.
I haven't gotten around to canceling my $0.01 per year subscription to Cinemax on DN, so I did a quick comparison of what was showing this afternoon with a list of my master feed recordings and found "Fatal Attraction". This isn't the sharpest movie around, and my master feed is a little low on the bit-rate, but I guess beggars can't be choosers.
I recorded both the DN SD and HD versions on 5MAX through my R5000s. I use similar R5000s for Shaw and for 4DTV in the past. For DVB-S and DVB-S2 I simply use a PC-based tuner. By capturing the original transport streams, I can make meaningful comparisons without any extra processing that might bias the results. To ensure this is clear: the master feed was not what DN used as a source for the uplink. But it was probably similar.
So here we go:
Master feed was 1920x1080i, MPEG-2 at about 10 Mbps.
Dish Network 5MAX HD was 1440x1080i, H.264 at about 4 Mbps
Dish Network 5MAX SD was 544x480i, MPEG-2 at about 1.7 Mbps
For this example I have grabbed one frame from each. This is a very static shot, which will not show artifacts typical of a scene with a lot of action. When I get some more time I'll grab an example of the latter. I compressed the raw images with Photoshop to JPEG at the 10 "Maximum" quality setting. I'll leave the comparisons mostly for you to make, but I'll point out that the Dish Network HD version isn't that bad when compared to the master feed. However the Dish Network SD version is pretty awful. The SD is full-frame, rather than letterboxed or pan & scan.
A few months ago I collected a number of cases where I had recorded a master 4DTV or DVB-S feed (by subscription or ITC) at the exact same time as I recorded Dish Network's re-encoded version via that subscription. Since then I have dropped most of my DN premium channels and sadly the 4DTV HD feeds from HBO and STARZ are no longer available. Until I find the old files, this makes any comparison indirect and potentially less valid. But it's still better than nothing.
I haven't gotten around to canceling my $0.01 per year subscription to Cinemax on DN, so I did a quick comparison of what was showing this afternoon with a list of my master feed recordings and found "Fatal Attraction". This isn't the sharpest movie around, and my master feed is a little low on the bit-rate, but I guess beggars can't be choosers.
I recorded both the DN SD and HD versions on 5MAX through my R5000s. I use similar R5000s for Shaw and for 4DTV in the past. For DVB-S and DVB-S2 I simply use a PC-based tuner. By capturing the original transport streams, I can make meaningful comparisons without any extra processing that might bias the results. To ensure this is clear: the master feed was not what DN used as a source for the uplink. But it was probably similar.
So here we go:
Master feed was 1920x1080i, MPEG-2 at about 10 Mbps.
Dish Network 5MAX HD was 1440x1080i, H.264 at about 4 Mbps
Dish Network 5MAX SD was 544x480i, MPEG-2 at about 1.7 Mbps
For this example I have grabbed one frame from each. This is a very static shot, which will not show artifacts typical of a scene with a lot of action. When I get some more time I'll grab an example of the latter. I compressed the raw images with Photoshop to JPEG at the 10 "Maximum" quality setting. I'll leave the comparisons mostly for you to make, but I'll point out that the Dish Network HD version isn't that bad when compared to the master feed. However the Dish Network SD version is pretty awful. The SD is full-frame, rather than letterboxed or pan & scan.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks
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We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... 
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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Pork shoulder, refried beans, cheddar and chopped green chile burrito with a pint of pale ale.
Its nice being able to have a pint with lunch during the week or whenever. I've been enjoying the retired life.
Its nice being able to have a pint with lunch during the week or whenever. I've been enjoying the retired life.
Congrats! I love retirement, no wake ups, no e-mails...Pork shoulder, refried beans, cheddar and chopped green chile burrito with a pint of pale ale.
Its nice being able to have a pint with lunch during the week or whenever. I've been enjoying the retired life.
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Leftovers for lunch, bacon wrapped salmon fillet from Saturday and a KFC thigh from Friday, Tea.
I had a very unusual but delicious 1/4lb hotdog with cream cheese, raspberry preserves and chopped Hatch green chile. It is an unlikely combination but it works.
New low power station has been granted by the FCC and the new call leter is K33OB-D on RF ch. 33.
Will run at 15 KW ERP, this one runs from the Westside same location as KWPL-LD a HC2 owned station.
It's going to be aimed at eastern part of Albuquerque, so it's tightly focused beam pattern.
This new station is owned by Digital Network and what kind of programmings is unkown at this time.
Will run at 15 KW ERP, this one runs from the Westside same location as KWPL-LD a HC2 owned station.
It's going to be aimed at eastern part of Albuquerque, so it's tightly focused beam pattern.
This new station is owned by Digital Network and what kind of programmings is unkown at this time.
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Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets on like the Rev'n, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station. 
Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets like Revn, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station.
I watch MovieSphere Gold channel a lot. Many recent movies on that digitnet
Yes that's a good channel MovieSphere, only thing is the missing CC on it. 
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Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?
As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.
As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.
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However, when I make a change (tried to add the Columbian pack for $2 so I could generate my bill) and there is a new line - it says "Access for TV" - whereas previously that line item was not there. I hope they aren't charging $5.00 for the initial TV now...
Possibly. In theory, $9 of the base pack has a rental fee built in. But now is this $5 a chance to get a little more? I don't know for sure. According to chat, it is a glitch and will be resolved in a timely manner, but we shall see. Part of my thinks there is a going to be a new charge, whether it is now or this fall. Here in Illinois, the law requires we are given 30 days notice of any fee changes, but I have not been given anything.
