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All,

I am new to these boards, and new to Dish Network as well. However, before you welcome me, let me give a brief history of my situation, and let you decide. And sorry for the length of the post, it's a LONG story.

This isn't meant to be a Dish bashing, but merely an outlet for my frustrations and a last ditch effort to illicit some help from these boards.

Last month, I moved from Northern Virginia to Vermont. When I to Vermont, I found that my DirecTV programming would not work, and that DirecTV did not offer locals in my area. I would also not qualify for Distance Locals because I (apparently) can receive a grade A signal for NBC and a grade B signal for CBS. This wasn't an option so... Dish Network to the rescue... or so I thought.

I called my local Dish retailer. Nice guy, willing to do anything for me. He told me that I wanted a 322 and 522 because there was a special DHP deal going on. I said ok, proceeded to give my information and waited. He also told me that the 522 was a good replacement for my DirecTV w/ TiVo.

After waiting about a week, and not hearing back from the retailer on an install time, I find out that the 522 is delayed and won't be available for another couple weeks.

So, I complain letting him know that that is information that I should have been told when I signed up. H says that he wasn't aware... long story short, he put in a demo model for me to wathc until the 522 was available.

So, Last Wednesday (Dec 3) I get the call, "The 522's are in." So I go to pick it up. Install it and call the number to get it all activiated. Well, things don't go as planned. I'm on the phone for about 3 hours trying to get BOTH the 522 and 322 activated. No go... It's after midnight at this point, so I give up and go to bed.

Next morning (Thursday) still nothing on the screen for both the 322 and 522. I call customer support again, we fiddle fart around and still no go. So, I actually decide that I need to do some work, so I give up until later that night.

Later Thursday night, I finally can give the situation the time it needs. After 4 hours of customer support, I finally learn that the CSR who originally put in the R00 and S00 numbers got the numbers transposed not just for 1 of the receivers, but for BOTH of the receivers.

So, I officially now have Dish Network after weeks of waiting, and 2 days of trying to get the receivers activated.

Even tho' it took a long time to activate, and I initially had problems, I was still excited. (I'm a geek... I love new toys).

So, I start surfing around the channels. I notice that I don't have my locals. So, I give a call back to the CSRs, and they tell me that it can take up to an hour to get locals activated. I say ok, and head to bed again.

It's now Friday evening, I finally get a chance to set down and watch my new dish. The CSR was right, it takes some time to get the locals activated. However, they have no guide data. I figure no big deal, DirecTV was the same way with their TiVo... I'll give it a couple days.

So, I'm surfing around and the first thing I notice is that the pixelation and PQ are just totally unwatchable on the locals. Even the movie channels are just horrible. (No, this is not an RPTV, it's a 32 TV)

I call my installer, he says that he's seen that pixelation before, and there is not a lot he can do about it. I ask about re-aiming, and he says he'll be out on Monday to take a look.

So, I'm now starting to get really pissed. The PQ is horrible, and to top it off, I can't seem to get my 522 in to Single Mode.

During this whole process, I asked every CSR I spoke with how to get the 522 in to Single Mode. Not a single person had a clue until I finally spoke with (I believe it was Greg) on Monday. According to him, the Single Mode won't be activated until late summer '04. I think to myself, this isn't what I was told, and is he sure. He says summer '04 at the earliest, and I figure, this isn't what I signed up for.

So, I had had enough. I am usually a pretty easy going guy, but I decided that if I was going to pay for bad reception and a DVR that wasn't what it was sold as, then I was going to cable and my HTPC.

So, Monday evening, I call to cancel. I tell them I am a DHP and that my 30 days are not up yet. The CSR laughs at me and tells me that I only had THREE days. I tell her, "No. My retailer told me 30 days to cancel." She laughs again and says no, DHP is 3 days, and you have been a customer for 5 days. I then proceed to tell her the situation (very calmly mind you) and she says that there is nothing she can do about it, she will note it in my account, and my retailer would have to call to get it canceled.

Well, my retailer is stuck in Boston or some such place, and won't be back up until Tuesday/Wednesday. I say fine, and leave it at that.

Tuesday, I get a call from my retailer. He has me conferenced in with the Dish CSRs. I say I want to cancel, she says, "OK. We'll charge your CC $240 for the cancellation fee." I start to dispute them, and she says, "It's in your contract!" Funny thing is, I don't have a contract with Dish Network. I haven't signed a single piece of paper.

So Tuesday, long story short. I CAN'T cancel. They won't let me go. MY retailer tells me not to worry, he still have a few tricks up his sleeve.

So, I'm not panicking, Wednesday, he tells me that he'll hear back by COB. Nothing.

Thursday, he calls me back and says that I can't cancel. He can't use his magic, and that he will call his distributor to see what they can do.

That brings me to this morning. I get a call from my guy. His distributor can't do anything, so now I am stuck.

That brings you up to date, so let me summarize for you.

- Promised that the 522 would replace my TiVo in functionality.
- I created my "Home Account" on Wednesday
- Didn't receive all channels until Friday
- Was told 30 day satisfaction guarantee by retailer
- Was told THREE days by Dish on my 5th day
- Never signed a contract
- Horrible PQ (in my opinion)


Feel free to bash this, flame this, praise this, whatever you want to do. This was my first Dish experience, and it will be my last. If anyone asks me what I think about Dish Network, I will tell them to steer clear of it.

Honestly, I think this is bad how they are handling this situation. They would rather have an forced customer than a non-customer.

-Casey

P.S. A derivation of this post has been sent to Charlie as well.
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Stargazer
The retailer is quite capable of refunding the money on the system since Dish Network lets him use the DHP hardware on another customer.

Since the retailer was misleading I would tell him to refund the money and that he is responsible for returning you the money, not Dish Network, for misrepresentation. Scare him a little, maybe that will help.
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deathopie said:
Casey, is it adelphia that you went with? I'm in southern vermont. i had them before, but went with dish because of their lack of hd and their ever increasing prices. I kept the cable internet, but the price went up on that due to dropping cable tv. Now hd is available; abc, nbc, hbo, + espn soon. All for about the same as dish with locals, at100 and hd pak. Bye Dish!

Yup... Adelphia it is. Not my first choice in programming, but they do fit the bill.

I was able to get their antennae service (no stb required) for $17/ month.

This was perfect, as I am now able to connect my HTPC and get all of my DVR functionality on all of my TVs.

And believe it or not, the picture is amazing.

-Casey
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Casey, WHY DON'T YOU DISPUTE THE CHARGES?! You were lied to. Period. If you paid by credit card, DISH is screwed.
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MikeF said:
I don't know if it would do any good but I know if I were in your place, I would fire off an email telling this story to ceo@echostar.com. It certainly cannot hurt. Good luck
Casey said he already did that - read the thread
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First off, you should NOT be getting all this pixilization whether it be a 20" or 110" TV's your watching on! It sounds to me like you got a bad install/equipment. What kind of signal strength are you getting. It should be over 100 (on a clear day) on transponder 11 if it was done correctly. I can see some problems with locals only, which is casued usually be caused by problems with the signals they are getting locally before uplinking to their system but will usually clear up over time as they get fiber feeds done for those locals. But since you say the pixilization occurs on other channes like movie channels there is definately something wrong. Did the retailer send someone out to check the install to see why you are having problems? You mention he says he sees that problem alot which leads me to beleive this retailer is a goof that doesn't know how to properly install satellite systems!

And as for the cancellation... if you signed nothing they can't do anything! Plain and simple, you agreed to nothing without signing a contract. In the end the retailer is going to get screwed!
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For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)
harshness
More specifically, these:



A more scholarly story is here:

navychop
"WARNING Will Robinson!"
Don in CT
Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)
When I heard about this exploit I was wondering how quick you would be on it. :D
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When I heard about this exploit I was wondering how quick you would be on it. :D
12 minutes after the patch was release I had it patched. :)
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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You'll Always Be Loved By Me - Brooks & Dunn
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Still the One - Orleans
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Bruce
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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
I was reading this article


That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.


Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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Sony is discontinuing it's last 4K disc player, Panasonic has been rumored to be doing the same, the end of physical media is unfortunately, about to happen.

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Got a Sony 700 at WM dot commie.

I think.

Ordered, anyway. Amazon let me go thru entire process but then said no inventory.

Hopefully,, WM will come thru.
dishstaller
Sony is discontinuing it's last 4K disc player, Panasonic has been rumored to be doing the same, the end of physical media is unfortunately, about to happen.
Hate to hear that. If you don't physically have something in your hand, you don't really own it.
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Hate to hear that. If you don't physically have something in your hand, you don't really own it.
Even a physical disc purchase is considered a license, just extremely harder to pull access vs digital.

But once new players are no longer sold and older players quit working, that takes care of the access to your library.

See LaserDiscs for one example of that happening.
ncted
Sony is discontinuing it's last 4K disc player, Panasonic has been rumored to be doing the same, the end of physical media is unfortunately, about to happen.

I am so done with Sony on so many levels. This is just one small piece of it.
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Interesting article about the work being done to develope an ATSC 3 converter box. Yes it does mention affordable.
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navychop
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
primestar31
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
star trek GIF


It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
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I truly hope you are right.
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What bothers me is the total waste of broadcasting spectrum in this very crowded market. It has been almost three years now since KFOX converted their broadcast tower to ATSC 3.0 and moved all of their channels to other towers causing noticeable degradation of the picture quality.
I have a Sony TV with 3.0 capabilities but still use the 1.0 version of locals due to the fact that one or all of the 3.0 channels are often missing or unwatchable. In this city of 800K I doubt that more than a few hundred even know about ATSC 3.0.
The only thing that could motivate me to be interested in 3.0 would be if all of the minor networks (diginets) could be in at least 720P rather than blurry ultra-compressed 480i.
Three years is long enough to waste one of the few available RF frequencies in the area for this trial.
It is time to either move on with this experiment or call it quits.
navychop
In this city of 800K I doubt that more than a few hundred even know about ATSC 3.0.

They might notice the hand going into their pocket for their wallet.
navychop
It is time to either move on with this experiment or call it quits.

QFT. Of course, my preference involves a curb and some kicking.
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Van
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Who says dinner or lunch has to be the only good meals of the day?

Honey butter grits with scrambled eggs and grilled boneless pork ribs on flakey biscuits washed down with cranberry juice.
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Wound up at the Waffle House this morning. Got the two egg breakfast with coffee.

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Speaking of waffles, I'm going to put my mini waffle iron on stove so I'll remember to make waffles in the morning... Had some last week, been awhile.
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Dos cackleberrys over easy on top of 2 corned beef hash patties fried in skillet... Chocolate milk.
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Cold morning today, only 32 degrees. Fired up the oven and made cinnamon rolls (from a tube) and a pot of coffee.
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2 egg burrito with bacon and a side of hashbrowns. Coffee.

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Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.
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That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.
Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".
Bobby
Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".
In my very early work life I installed and repaired those phones.
AZ.
AZ.
Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".
someone is showing their age
Almighty1
someone is showing their age
LOL. It depends if the person saw it during the years when they were actually still available which is 1968 to 1983 meaning the person could be 43-58 years old or they can even be a few years old if they learned to read and write at a young age and actually saw a telephone with that label somewhere recently just like even here in San Francisco, payphone still exist physically in public places but whether they can be used or not is a different issue. It still looks like this even today:
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I opened my Radio Shack in Sept 1984 and right about that time they did the whole deregulation thing with the phone companies. I bought TONS of those phones that had been refurbished with a new outer shell. You could throw one of those out of a 3 story high window and it would still work.
That was an interesting time in history. I would have older customers come in and ask about phones.....they were terrified that they were going to get into trouble hooking up a second phone without the phone company knowing about it. One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone. I guess younger folks can't conceive of a time when you were limited to the number of phones you could have in your house....and limited to the length of the cord 🤣
llokey
In my very early work life I installed and repaired those phones.
And I kept them working through the ESS offices.
Bobby
And I kept them working through the ESS offices.
The two central offices in the area I worked were actually step by step offices. :)
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I opened my Radio Shack in Sept 1984 and right about that time they did the whole deregulation thing with the phone companies. I bought TONS of those phones that had been refurbished with a new outer shell. You could throw one of those out of a 3 story high window and it would still work.
That was an interesting time in history. I would have older customers come in and ask about phones.....they were terrified that they were going to get into trouble hooking up a second phone without the phone company knowing about it. One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone. I guess younger folks can't conceive of a time when you were limited to the number of phones you could have in your house....and limited to the length of the cord 🤣
Speaking about cords, I actually did drop a Trimline phone from probably 3 feet high on the floor when I was about 10 or so and it caused a small crack, this was the one with the modular jacks and it was hooked up with I think a 50 ft or longer RJ11C cable from Radio Shack. I still use the phone today connected to a Obi VoIP adapter and the cord is my custom made 6 position RJ11C, not sure of the official name for it without looking it up and Belden MediaTwist Crescent shaped Cat6+ cable.

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LOL. It depends if the person saw it during the years when they were actually still available which is 1968 to 1983 meaning the person could be 43-58 years old or they can even be a few years old if they learned to read and write at a young age and actually saw a telephone with that label somewhere recently just like even here in San Francisco, payphone still exist physically in public places but whether they can be used or not is a different issue. It still looks like this even today:
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so that persons in hiding lol:biggrin
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remembers when ATT had stores and leased home phones
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My Wife was recently in an antique store and saw a rotary desk phone and it had one of those sticker overlays that had a business listed with phone number under each number on the dial. She looked closer and it had my old Radio Shack listed under the 8...she bought it. Pretty cool keepsake. Back then I rented vhs movies as well so I had it listed as Radio Shack / Movie Gallery and then the phone number.
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Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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Now in the Hornets and Hurricanes markets we just get the TV promise screen. But Directv still charges sports fee I am assuming.
Luckily my DTV stream package doesn't have a rsn fee. Figure DTV that always says is the leader in sports would have come to an agreement by now.
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Now in the Hornets and Hurricanes markets we just get the TV promise screen. But Directv still charges sports fee I am assuming.
Greenville-New Bern is $11.99 for MASN (Orioles) and Nationals
Raleigh is $11.99 for MASN and Nationals
Charlotte is $12.99 for BravesVision, MASN, Nationals and Reds

The fee in NC also includes the higher in state rate they have to pay for ACCN. Down in SC the fee is $15.99 as they are also a SEC state.
I'm not sure if they're doing it with those teams, but in some markets they also use the fee to cover the additional cost they have to pay for independents and MyNet stations that picked up full season NHL and NBA rights.

If you go to the TVPromise site, you'll likely be able to get a credit for not getting the Hurricanes and additional Hornets games that air on WITN-D2

Figure DTV that always says is the leader in sports would have come to an agreement by now.
Part of the hold out might be the packaging and price for outer areas like how the Thunder needs sports pack for other states. Hopefully they are also pushing for a guarantee from the teams that they would require whoever wins their local broadcasting rights in 2028 to negotiate with MVPDs. Commercial distribution rights are probably a factor too.

I'm guessing they got a deep discount for the Clippers based on how long it took them to officially announce ClipperVision and their KTLA simulcasts after they were basically handed a multi-year draft death penalty.

The Predators and Pistons channels are using feeds supplied by Scripps Sports

The Heat likely depends on whoever they sign for the Fort Myers DMA, as there's no point in paying a high price for the Heat just for that DMA when WPLG is streaming it for free on their app and website for viewers in the Miami DMA, and they already carry the West Palm Beach station.
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If you go to the TVPromise site, you'll likely be able to get a credit for not getting the Hurricanes and additional Hornets games that air on WITN-D2

I tried this with both the Hurricanes and Hornets since I'm in upstate SC, and wasn't offered any kind of credit by the site. It's not a huge deal to me as I can pick up WSOC/WAXN over the air at my location even though I'm outside the Charlotte market.
TheRatPatrol
I thought the NBA TV contracts were short term as the NBA is trying to get all of the teams into in an all in one streaming app?
K
649 GRZLLIES and 671 PACERS are now available.

The rest are still pointing to the TV Promise slate
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