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Last reply Nov 11, 2010 · posted in C-BAND Satellite Discussion

BIRDVIEW WITH DMX 241 FOR W-5 CONVERSION (DSR-410 ready or 922 )

MY BIRDVIEW WITH DMX 241 FOR W-5 CONVERSION (DSR-410 OR 922 READY) WORKED!

I'm not sure this info will be of any interest, but I'm excited to have my second Birdview set-up for W-5, giving me options if I want to go to a DSR-410 and keep my original motorized Birdview for FTA!

I'm a fortunate person. Two Birdivews in the yard. First one completely motorized, and already 4DTV friendly. Subs on W-5 and one other bird. It's served me well for 4D and in the clear C-band for quite some time! Keeping this first Birdview ready to go for(motorized) FTA on both C and KU was my goal, switching my 4D subs over to feed off the stationary birdview which has not had the reed-switch conversion for the motor done yet. Along the way, I have learned how to easily set-up the stationary BV for single-satellite use after the 4D shutdown and conversion to DSR-410 readiness, or continued W-5 on 922 receiver! In a nutshell, I lucked out today!

On the second (stationary) dish, the Birdview "high block" dual LNB used for alignment and signal check on 4D was removed. I had extra scalar plates, so had the center of two of them milled out to fit the newer basic C and KU band LNBF's (like the DMX-241 shown.) I was pleasantly surprised when the supplied (new) scalar/mount which came with the 241 bolted right on the orignal Birdivew plate! Who would have thought?

Had already aligned the second non-motorized BV to W-5 and checked signal on 4D unit using original dual C-band Birdview dual LNB, so the only "variable" left was the focal distance and alignment of the new DMX-421 LNBF for best signal on my 4D which is now wired-to and fed-by to this second, stationary dish parked on W-5.

Searched these forums, where someone mentioned the alignment of the "0" marking should be straight down when dish is aimed due south. I randomly placed the new LNB cylinder in-place, protruding about 1/4" beyond the original Scalar's rings, and approximated on the non-moving dish about where the "0" would be when not true south, but when on W-5.

I've never worked with the newer LNBF's and expected much trouble in aligning and finding a signal. The original Birdviews were easy, marked, and foolproof for the most part! To my surprise, with the 4D switched-over for C-band LNBF from its dual LNB setting, and no other changes, I'm getting signal-quality readings in the upper 90's on all my W-5 subs, horizontal and vertical!

I've read in this forum that KU may be much more difficult than C-band for Birdview conversions, but...I have high hopes that this model can be followed when using a BSC-621 combination on the motorized dish, and that I can use the same mounting technique...then do the "fine tuning."

I have a G-box positioner ready to put on the movable Birdview when the 4D is taken offline, but am new to the FTA part of the satellite hobby and will need help along the way finding signals. Doesn't it make sense, however to park the movable dish on a bird KNOWN for FTA on C-band (like W-1 or W-5) then proceed finding other satellites with the known good-arc of the movable dish? I have a GBOX positioner ready to put online, and a Pansat 3500 receiver that has been slaved off the Birdview's LNB on horizontal side only, with good C-band results thus far.

Its only the Ku-band alignment and tweaking on the motorized BV and the (re)finding of satellites that scares me about converting the original motorized BV to a (hopefully great) FTA setup!

Attached pics: C-band LNB changeover (before attaching original LNB cover with drilled holes in cover and wire-ties) and...the converted black scalar plate and C/Ku 421 ready to be installed on the motorized BV dish. (still amazed that the new plate bolts on the old Birdview!)

I was very surprised at how smooth the C-band only LNB changeover went today!
BTW...BV fans will notice the struts are not original on the second dish, (surface rust) but they are scheduled for either painting or changing, too!)

Fun to have a place to share stories on this topic...and Birdview is not known for being "standard" for ANYTHING! (let alone converting them for anything but original hardware!!) I'm open to ideas for the FTA conversion! Please chime in!

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Mr Tony

Nov 9, 2010

VERY nice pics

an option to optimize signal on the 4DTV is to hit options (or menu) 6-0-5 then right arrow to "diagnostic C"...on the right corner there is a number (ebno) that shows something like +8.6. Since you have signal it will show a +. If you keep that screen up while tweaking you can get the best signal out there. I think it goes to +15.0 but anything above +7.5 is great

radio

Nov 9, 2010

The owner of the store for which I worked (selling TV, VCR, and satellite in the 80's) used to go out and literally SIT in the birdview display. The (analog, then) signal suffered, but it never hurt the dish, and always returned to full signal, never losing alignment. Somewhere, if you search my (few) posts, you'll see an old demo I scanned of a Birdview outlasting a hurricane.....not much left around it, and its sitting in water, but IT survived. If you can find one, you'll love it!

radio

Nov 9, 2010

Iceberg said:
VERY nice pics

an option to optimize signal on the 4DTV is to hit options (or menu) 6-0-5 then right arrow to "diagnostic C"...on the right corner there is a number (ebno) that shows something like +8.6. Since you have signal it will show a +. If you keep that screen up while tweaking you can get the best signal out there. I think it goes to +15.0 but anything above +7.5 is great

Well, a 10.2 doesn't sound bad, then for a first-effort with NO tweaking having been done. Literally, eyeballed based on info on this forum only for the "0" alignment! Will try to tweak soon and report!

Mr Tony

Nov 9, 2010

10.2 is very good

You really shouldnt have to tweak anymore

radio

Nov 10, 2010

Iceberg said:
10.2 is very good
You really shouldnt have to tweak anymore

Is there a similar "benchmark" (is the build similar) with the 621 LNBF which I want to put on the motorized birdview such that we could get close with C-band before tweaking/searching out Ku? The info posted here about putting the zero near straight down (on the the project just completed) when dish was pointed south is how we got this close with the stationary dish so quickly! An established starting point for the LNBF's position may make the FTA conversion of the second dish go easier!

radio

Nov 11, 2010

2nd Birdview with 621 C/Ku LNBF project underway. C-band working well!

Today's weather allowed an afternoon with the dishes.

First step: tweak the motorized birdview dish for signal on W-5 using existing Birdview dual LNB. Got great results, around 10.2 or a bit less on the "C" diagnostic screens. (not shown. pics are from new LNBF)

Step 2: Remove original Birdview Scalar, replace with Birdview that has center milled-out to accept the larger cylinder of the BSC-621 LNBF. Broke two struts' threaded ends off, but had spare struts. Replaced them, and put the black-bottomed Birdview Scalar with milled center and LNBF in place. Once again, the scalar supplied with the LNBF had a bolt pattern that perfectly matches the original Birdview's scalar holes. Simply get longer bolts to fit, and its an EASY conversion.

Didn't know if the "guts" of this 621 LNBF were similar to the C-band only DMX 241 unit shown earlier in this thread on my stationary dish, but mounted the LNBF as if they were located similarly. On a properly installed Birdview, this places the flat "hookup" C-band side of the LNBF in about about a 1 O'clock/7 O'clock line when dish is pointed at W-5. Currently feeding C-band only, will look for Ku later. Hopefully tomorrow.

Step 3: Go to the menu Iceberg recommended for quality tweaking and check both horizontal and vertical signals on the 4D. This unit seems to be stronger on the "Horizontal" channels, but acceptable on Vertical as well. We range from the 8's to as high as 12 on some transponders.

As pictures show, the qualities vary...from acceptable on some transponders to excellent on others. Is this a normal situation for digital as it used to be with analog as well? (changes in quality from transponder to transponder). Would this be considered a second "healthy" install thus far based on the numbes shown? Bravo's W-5 Transponder is gangbusters strong, probably the best I am receiving.

Next will come the Ku side of things, using the Pansat 3500. First, however I want to verify the Pansat is getting signal. When the Pansat was slaved off the Birdview/4D Horizontal C-band side only, I received various channels, using the 4D to move the dish and Pansat for FTA reception with good results. Never tried Ku or C-band vertical.

Now, with a single feed only to start on c-band from the 621, slaved to the Pansat, I need to change some settings, and I assume I need to re-scan the same satellites with the "horizontal" channels selected on the 4D, but..somewhere I read that the polarities may be different on 4D vs. FTA on C-band? I could use some help with that info.....At this point, I just want to verify the C-band part of the FTA is back working on the new LNBF.

The next step for me is to move both the horizontal and vertical feeds from this motorized dish to the FTA exclusively, and return the 4D to the stationary dish, making this birdview a movable FTA dish only..... and install the proper diseq switch INSIDE on the two feed lines coming in from the 621. I understand this works better than using the outside built-in switch on the 621 does?

What LNB settings and other setup settings should I have for the Pansat since this change from the Birdview "standard" LNB? on its current single feed? Any help appreciated.

What should the LNB settings on the Pansat be? I know that the 4D will set the polarities as of now, but when I migrate the 4d back to the stationary dish, this motorized c and ku birdview will feed the pansat 3500 exclusively with dual lines into the building. Any help in hookup with diseq info (inside, not the LNB built-in) to the Pansat also appreciated.

Pictures show the varying qualities on C-band with the 621 LNBF but I believe most are well within acceptable bracket. I hope the Ku will align well. I'd love any input on getting Ku tuned in, where to send the dish for best possible signal for setup, any info appreciated via this forum or by PM.

Apologies to the moderators if the post is long. Trying to be specific about what I am asking, and the procedure I've used to get the results thus far. Both this project and the stationary one that started this thread have gone well!

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Bruce

Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 4 minutes ago · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

DirecTV’s Subscribers Number

Thanks to Fitch Ratings ( who gives the ratings on Credit and debt, as approved by the SEC, so they have accurate numbers) we have the totals.

DIRECTV's video subscriber base is the third-largest traditional multi-channel video programming distributor (MVPD) in the U.S. with about 8.2 million subscribers at the end of 1Q26.

The last time it was reported, it was 8.8M at the end of 2Q25, so only a 600,000 loss for 3 quarters, which is a major improvement, since for many years before that, it was losing 500,000 a quarter, 2 Million a year.

It is now losing less than Dish/Sling combined, I believe the Genre Packs are helping to retain and get subscribers.

https://www.fitchratings.com/research/corporate-finance/fitch-rates-directv-proposed-senior-secured-debt-offering-bb-rr2-11-05-2026

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raoul5788

May 19, 2026

They have one less as of May 15th. I just couldn't justify almost $150 a month any more. I went to Fubo. Edit: And I've been a Directv customer for 30 years!

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b4pjoe

May 19, 2026

raoul5788 said:
They have one less as of May 15th. I just couldn't justify almost $150 a month any more. I went to Fubo.

Fubo would be a non starter for me. Missing channels:

NBCUniversal Channels: NBC local affiliates, USA Network, Bravo, CNBC, MSNBC, E!, Syfy, Telemundo, and the Golf Channel.
NBC Sports: Regional sports networks like NBC Sports Bay Area, Boston, California, and Philadelphia are also off the air.
Warner Bros. Discovery Channels: TBS, TNT, TruTV, CNN, Discovery Channel, TLC, HGTV, Food Network, and Animal Planet.
A&E Networks: A&E, History, Lifetime, and Vice.
AMC Networks: AMC, IFC, SundanceTV, and WE tv

Plus most of its live TV channels and sports broadcasts are currently delivered in 720p.

Jimbo

May 19, 2026

b4pjoe said:
Fubo would be a non starter for me. Missing channels:

NBCUniversal Channels: NBC local affiliates, USA Network, Bravo, CNBC, MSNBC, E!, Syfy, Telemundo, and the Golf Channel.

NBC Sports: Regional sports networks like NBC Sports Bay Area, Boston, California, and Philadelphia are also off the air.

Warner Bros. Discovery Channels: TBS, TNT, TruTV, CNN, Discovery Channel, TLC, HGTV, Food Network, and Animal Planet.

A&E Networks: A&E, History, Lifetime, and Vice.

AMC Networks: AMC, IFC, SundanceTV, and WE tv

Plus most of its live TV channels and sports broadcasts are currently delivered in 720p.

YouTube TV

raoul5788

May 19, 2026

b4pjoe said:
Fubo would be a non starter for me. Missing channels:

NBCUniversal Channels: NBC local affiliates, USA Network, Bravo, CNBC, MSNBC, E!, Syfy, Telemundo, and the Golf Channel.

NBC Sports: Regional sports networks like NBC Sports Bay Area, Boston, California, and Philadelphia are also off the air.

Warner Bros. Discovery Channels: TBS, TNT, TruTV, CNN, Discovery Channel, TLC, HGTV, Food Network, and Animal Planet.

A&E Networks: A&E, History, Lifetime, and Vice.

AMC Networks: AMC, IFC, SundanceTV, and WE tv

Plus most of its live TV channels and sports broadcasts are currently delivered in 720p.

Understandable. It's always a choice of price vs channels. The $60/month difference made my choice easier.

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Arctic_fox

4 minutes ago

Jimbo said:
YouTube TV

YTTV don't carry the Regional sports channels

so2344

Last reply 9 minutes ago · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

Came back to DirectTV Satellite - Gemini question

Recently came back to DirectTV Satellite service and have two boxes, Gemini and a main HR54.

DirecTV is charging me two "TV access fees" of $10 each, but can only watch TV on the one without the server. Is there anything I can do to fix this?

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FHSPSU67

Apr 25, 2026

First receiver should be free. It is for me.

b4pjoe

Apr 25, 2026

FHSPSU67 said:
First receiver should be free. It is for me.

It is for me too. Back when they merged DIRECTV via Internet and DIRECTV Stream into one service they raised the TV access fee from $7.00 to $10.00 from both streaming and satellite and they eliminated the first receiver free for new customers only. Existing customers weren't affected by the new price and the elimination of the first receiver free policy.

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so2344

May 11, 2026

b4pjoe said:
It is for me too. Back when they merged DIRECTV via Internet and DIRECTV Stream into one service they raised the TV access fee from $7.00 to $10.00 from both streaming and satellite and they eliminated the first receiver free for new customers only. Existing customers weren't affected by the new price and the elimination of the first receiver free policy.

All of this makes me want to cancel satellite again! Customer service said we were getting billed for an old receiver but the call got cut off.

Will call back and try to get this resolved. As of now, only one TV can access satellite service. Would hope they can send another Gemini to be co-located w the main HR54.

so2344

May 28, 2026

Update: after 20 mins on phone with a non North American call center agent, they are sending a tech out. The tech support couldn't understand that the HR54 was at a different TV than the Gemini.

Arctic_fox

9 minutes ago

so2344 said:
Update: after 20 mins on phone with a non North American call center agent, they are sending a tech out. The tech support couldn't understand that the HR54 was at a different TV than the Gemini.

this is why we canceled support and the csr's are garbage even the american ones. it's still under the att system!!!

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Scott Greczkowski

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Last reply 12 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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zippyfrog

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Last reply 38 minutes ago · posted in The Phone & Tablet Zone

Purchasing New iPhone

I feel like this was discussed in another thread, but I can't find it. I have T-Mobile and my last iPhone upgrade was in 2020. I want to get a new iPhone, but what is the best way to go about doing it? Should I order the iPhone from T-Mobile directly, or should I buy from the Apple Store? I feel like there are pros/cons to each option.

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navychop

57 minutes ago

I know of no reason to buy from a cell company.

Buying from Apple gets an unlocked phone.

PS- New models come out in Octoberish.

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Foxbat

38 minutes ago

I got a carrier-locked iPhone once, and it was a pain after they got bought by Sprint and I decided to go to T-Mobile and they dragged their feet to unlock the phone. I have been trading in my iPhones since and buying from the Apple Store since then.

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Cactus Jack

Last reply 54 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Three Tuners?

I have a Hopper with Sling. (Don't know exact model.) A couple nights ago, I went into the DVR screen, and noted that it was recording three programs. Yet I was able to view live TV (that was not one of the channels being recorded.) Did something change? In the past, it would only let me watch one of the channels being recorded, or any recording in the DVR menu. Maybe it was streaming, although there was no indication of that?

Apologies if this has been covered; I searched and didn't find anything.

Thanks.

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Cactus Jack

Jun 3, 2026

So I tested.

Started recording three non-network shows and tried to watch live TV, would not do it, because all three tuners were in use.

Started recording two non-network shows and one network show. Still would not let me tune live TV.

Started recording one non-network show and two network shows, then it allowed live TV.

I would assume then that previously I was recording two or three network shows when it allowed live TV; I honestly don't remember what it was doing, and I didn't think to check.

Thanks for replies, everyone.

PS - How does one know whether a program is streaming? Is there a way to force streaming?

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Bobby

Jun 3, 2026

Cactus Jack said:
So I tested.

Started recording three non-network shows and tried to watch live TV, would not do it, because all three tuners were in use.

Started recording two non-network shows and one network show. Still would not let me tune live TV.

Started recording one non-network show and two network shows, then it allowed live TV.

I would assume then that previously I was recording two or three network shows when it allowed live TV; I honestly don't remember what it was doing, and I didn't think to check.

Thanks for replies, everyone.

PS - How does one know whether a program is streaming? Is there a way to force streaming?

There is no way to force streaming. It is a satellite channel or streaming channel except for the rare occasion that the satellite signal fails. If that happens some, not all, channels will automatically change to streaming. You can tell if the channel is streaming by pressing guide on the remote. if it is a streaming channel the guide will clearly show it that way.

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navychop

Jun 3, 2026

Cough, cough, Hopper3!

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Cactus Jack

Jun 5, 2026

Bobby said:
There is no way to force streaming. It is a satellite channel or streaming channel except for the rare occasion that the satellite signal fails. If that happens some, not all, channels will automatically change to streaming. You can tell if the channel is streaming by pressing guide on the remote. if it is a streaming channel the guide will clearly show it that way.

Thanks, Bobby.

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Arctic_fox

54 minutes ago

chokes hopper 3 all the way... 16 tuners vs 3 tuners is a night and day difference. along with a faster processor. i would call in and see if they would upgrade me or you can buy a hopper 3 from solid signal.

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Yesterday at 10:52 PM · posted in iJustine

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Smuuth

Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge

Last reply Yesterday at 10:15 PM · posted in SatelliteGuys Classifieds

WANTED DirecTV LCC

Anyone have a DirecTV Local Channel Connector that you'd like to get rid of at a reasonable price? DirecTV is currently in a contract dispute with owner of my local ABC affiliate.

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b4pjoe

Jun 2, 2026

Smuuth said:
Anyone have a DirecTV Local Channel Connector that you'd like to get rid of at a reasonable price? DirecTV is currently in a contract dispute with owner of my local ABC affiliate.

You should ask DIRECTV for one if you are affected by the dispute. I know in the past they have given them out during a dispute. Not sure if they still do that but it is free to ask.

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Smuuth

Jun 2, 2026

b4pjoe said:
You should ask DIRECTV for one if you are affected by the dispute. I know in the past they have given them out during a dispute. Not sure if they still do that but it is free to ask.

I already asked, but the CS agent said they wouldn't do it. They said the only thing they could do is $10/month bill credit.

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Jimbo

Jun 3, 2026

Smuuth said:
I already asked, but the CS agent said they wouldn't do it. They said the only thing they could do is $10/month bill credit.

Take the $10 and Call Back ...

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Smuuth

Monday at 10:22 AM

Jimbo said:
Take the $10 and Call Back ...

I did that. The response was that the LCC is not available. Escalated the issue to a tech support person with the same results.

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Jimbo

Monday at 10:39 AM

Smuuth said:
I did that. The response was that the LCC is not available. Escalated the issue to a tech support person with the same results.

Could be out of them I guess ... I'd keep trying, every 3-4 days.

If they are not out of them as them WHY you can't get one, seeing Your in a Dispute. Thats what they are for.
I would make them give you a real answer, don't let them off the hook.

I had one, and it worked well, but I believe I gave it to another D* friend (also had a AM21), I know I gave them away ...

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Smuuth

Monday at 10:44 AM

Jimbo said:
Could be out of them I guess ... I'd keep trying, every 3-4 days.

If they are not out of them as them WHY you can't get one, seeing Your in a Dispute. Thats what they are for.

According to the tech support guy, they don't have any in stock. He said I should receive an email when and if they have them. I even told him I would accept a refurbished unit.

Jimbo

Monday at 10:45 AM

Smuuth said:
According to the tech support guy, they don't have any in stock. He said I should receive an email when and if they have them. I even told him I would accept a refurbished unit.

I'm not sure your going to find any Refurbished ones as D* doesn't ask for them back.

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Smuuth

Monday at 10:48 AM

Jimbo said:
I'm not sure your going to find any Refurbished ones as D* doesn't ask for them back.

Yeah, I know. At one point, I even had 3 AM21s but gave them away when I got rid of my last HR54 and switched to the HS17.

Arctic_fox

Yesterday at 10:00 PM

Good luck they haven't made them in years. you could poke around on ebay and see if there's any on there. if not why not a tablo or a zapper box with an antenna connected to it

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Smuuth

Yesterday at 10:09 PM

Arctic_fox said:
Good luck they haven't made them in years. you could poke around on ebay and see if there's any on there. if not why not a tablo or a zapper box with an antenna connected to it

I have my OTA antenna connected to my television directly already so watching is not the issue. The reason I want the LCC is so I could record programs if I'm not at home to watch them live, especially since ABC is carrying both the NBA and NHL playoffs.
I have an active search on eBay and there is one there but he wants $180 plus shipping and I am not going to pay that.

Arctic_fox

Yesterday at 10:12 PM

Smuuth said:
I have my OTA antenna connected to my television directly already so watching is not the issue. The reason I want the LCC is so I could record programs if I'm not at home to watch them live, especially since ABC is carrying both the NBA and NHL playoffs.
I have an active search on eBay and there is one there but he wants $180 plus shipping and I am not going to pay that.

a tablo box is cheaper

Amazon.com

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Arctic_fox

Yesterday at 10:15 PM

why invest in hardware that's going to be boat anchors in a few years?

zippyfrog

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Yesterday at 10:05 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Price Increase on Owned Equipment?

Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?

As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.

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telstar_1

Yesterday at 1:28 PM

Does cable charge box rent?

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RJT79

Yesterday at 4:47 PM

telstar_1 said:
Does cable charge box rent?

The cable company I was with years ago did charge $9.99 for a receiver.

RJ T.
From Illinois

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RJT79

Yesterday at 5:03 PM

zippyfrog said:
Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?

As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.

I went to try to add the Heartland channel as dummy to see what it would do for me as I own my receiver and have DISH Outdoors and this is what mine shows. (Note however I had to take the 2nd receiver I told you I added the other day off because I was told you can only have 1 receiver when you have a one outlet on the Dish Playmaker and was having issues with the 2nd receiver and I didn't know that and that was done yesterday as well so I am back to one receiver.)

Let's upgrade your package.

Your monthly bill will increase by $6.00 per month.

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June 11, 2026 - July 11, 2026
You are changing your programming in the middle of the bill cycle. The bill shown below is your bill for next month including prorations and credits. Your following bill will return to the fixed rate. This bill will take effect from now until July 11, 2026.
Monthly Services
$86.99
Flex Pack
$72.99
Local Channels
$14.00
Add-Ons
$68.98
National Action Pack
$12.00
Regional Action Pack
$12.00
News Pack
$10.00
Paramount+ with Showtime
$10.00
Drama and Classics Pack
$6.00
Heartland Pack
$6.00
Starz Encore Movies
$6.00
On DISH Magazine
$4.99
Starz 2 Mo ($11)
$1.99
Prorated Charges
$7.93
Heartland Pack Jun 11 - Jul 20
$7.93
Order Total
$7.93
Prorated Total
$7.93
Due Today
$7.93

Transition Bill Total
$156.10
Proposed Changes
Your monthly bill will increase by $6.00 per month
Monthly Services
$86.99
Add-Ons
$68.98
FCC Regulatory Surcharge
$0.13
Taxes & Surcharges
$0.00

Monthly Total
$156.10
Prorated Total
$7.93
Order Total
$7.93

Due Today
$7.93

Sounds like an issue with DISH Billing

RJ T.
From Illinois

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zippyfrog

Yesterday at 5:19 PM

I asked again, and the rep I talked to said it is a glitch and that "Access for TV" shouldn't be there - the rep pulled up my future month bills and that charge isn't on it. So I am not going to worry about it right now, but it will be interesting to see when the price changes happen later this year. Will this line item show up? The fact that it is a specific item that is different from anything makes me think it is more than a glitch. But we shall see.

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RJT79

Yesterday at 5:29 PM

zippyfrog said:
I asked again, and the rep I talked to said it is a glitch and that "Access for TV" shouldn't be there - the rep pulled up my future month bills and that charge isn't on it. So I am not going to worry about it right now, but it will be interesting to see when the price changes happen later this year. Will this line item show up? The fact that it is a specific item that is different from anything makes me think it is more than a glitch. But we shall see.

I am hoping they don't add this down the road. Things are expensive the way it is now. Even DIRECTV allows the first receiver free. This would go against DISH and DISH is already loosing subscribers I wouldn't think they would do these kind of tricks but you never know. Always look at your bills for unknow charges. I heard horror stories of people getting charged for things they didn't know were there.

RJ T.
From Illinois

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Arctic_fox

Yesterday at 10:05 PM

telstar_1 said:
Does cable charge box rent?

yes big cable charges crazy dvr fee's and box rental fee's

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teachtom

Last reply Yesterday at 9:21 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Problem when I switch from Bonus View channels back to regular Dish channels

Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks

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HipKat

Yesterday at 5:07 PM

teachtom said:
Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks

First off, great TV. I'm torn between the 77C5 or the 77G5.
It sounds like the handshake between the Receiver and the TV is having a problem. Are you using the free cable that came with the Joey or a higher speed HDMI cable?? That's the f irst place I'd look

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RJT79

Yesterday at 5:17 PM

teachtom said:
Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks

First off, The analog to digital switch, also known as the digital television transition, is the process of converting older analog television broadcasting technology to digital broadcasting. It's used through coaxial cable for the an antenna during the mandatory switch from Analog to Digital on June 12, 2009. You either had to get a converter for your analog (Tube TV) or use a converter box that has the analog or digital tuner or an HDTV which your is and has the tuner built in. Your TV is HD and using an HDMI Cable and nothing is connected by coaxial cable so this wouldn't apply.

In my theory it probably means a new TV. I had a TV go out on my switching between the Smart Screen from the HDMI inputs before because they went faulty. Sometimes electrical surges can cause this. If you have an older home or rent an older home or apartment sometimes the electrical outlets are not grounded and these days HDTV's need a ground which can cause them to malfunction and go bad quicker. Never plug it directly in an outlet. It will damage the TV.

Hope I could be of some assistance.

RJ T.
From Illinois

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teachtom

Yesterday at 7:33 PM

RJT79 said:
First off, The analog to digital switch, also known as the digital television transition, is the process of converting older analog television broadcasting technology to digital broadcasting. It's used through coaxial cable for the an antenna during the mandatory switch from Analog to Digital on June 12, 2009. You either had to get a converter for your analog (Tube TV) or use a converter box that has the analog or digital tuner or an HDTV which your is and has the tuner built in. Your TV is HD and using an HDMI Cable and nothing is connected by coaxial cable so this wouldn't apply.

In my theory it probably means a new TV. I had a TV go out on my switching between the Smart Screen from the HDMI inputs before because they went faulty. Sometimes electrical surges can cause this. If you have an older home or rent an older home or apartment sometimes the electrical outlets are not grounded and these days HDTV's need a ground which can cause them to malfunction and go bad quicker. Never plug it directly in an outlet. It will damage the TV.

Hope I could be of some assistance.

RJ T.
From Illinois

Thank you for the information. I do keep the TV plugged into a surge protector, but we have had pretty strong thunderstorms/lightning in the last month so that have contributed to my problem.The house was built in 2009 so everything seems to be grounded correctly. We have had a power surge also. Seems like no one fixes anything any more, so just get a new one or live with the problem. Thanks

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teachtom

Yesterday at 7:39 PM

HipKat said:
First off, great TV. I'm torn between the 77C5 or the 77G5.
It sounds like the handshake between the Receiver and the TV is having a problem. Are you using the free cable that came with the Joey or a higher speed HDMI cable?? That's the f irst place I'd look

I think the HDMI cable is good, i used one of my own from my 4K atmos system, i'll switch it with another just to check. Also I have a bid in at Greentoe for 77" G5. Thanks

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HipKat

Yesterday at 8:17 PM

teachtom said:
I think the HDMI cable is good, i used one of my own from my 4K atmos system, i'll switch it with another just to check. Also I have a bid in at Greentoe for 77" G5. Thanks

I hope that works. I'm waiting til Black Friday sales

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Darrell S

Yesterday at 9:21 PM

I've had this problem with my older Sony TV. It happens when I just punch in a regular channel number. The only way it works right for me is to push guide and select a regular channel from the guide screen.

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teachsac

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