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Scott Greczkowski
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If you haven't noticed, watching video from the internet on your TV is a big tech thing this year. We have seen new innovations from devices like GoogleTV, Roku and VUDU. Each device does something great but yet can't do other functions which another box can do.

A Roku will give you the best Netflix experience but it can't play multimedia files on your network via DLNA.

A Vudu Box will let you watch amazing high quality movies, but it won't let you listen to live radio streams.

A GoogleTV box will let you interface your satellite or cable provider with the internet, but you can't watch online video from ABC. NBC, FOX or CBS.

A WDTV Live box will let me watch my media files including full 1080p HD Bluray rips in ISO format, but it won't let me watch Techzilla or Twit.TV from the internet.

On my desk at home in my bedroom there is a stack of boxes, all of them that do something great, but all of them suck at doing other things.

Up there currently I have a Sony 3D Bluray Player, a WDTV Live Plus box, a VUDU Box, a Logitech Revue GoogleTV box and a Roku.

Now what if you had a box that could do everything all those boxes can do, but in one box? That is the promise of the D-Link Boxee Box. I have wanted one of these boxes since seeing it at CES. And now I have one in my hands.

The Boxee Box is a strange little box that is oddly shaped. Its design prevents you from putting anything on top of it so its going to be on the top of your AV stack no matter what. The Boxee Box comes well packaged in a nice looking box. It was so well packaged it took me a few minutes to figure out how to unpack it.

Inside the Boxee Box …. box is the Boxee Box itself, a external power supply, a HDMI cable, a unique two sided remote and manuals. The Boxee Box requires that your HDTV have a HDMI post. There are no component outputs on the box for older HD sets.

Setup was simple, I plugged in the HDMI to my TV, an Ethernet cable for the internet and I also plugged in an external hard drive loaded with movies I have ripped from my DVD and Bluray collection. Once I powers the box on I was greeted by a bunch of animated boxes. Without even touching anything I got a note that there was a newer version of the Boxee Box software available for my box and it then started downloading it. Next step was to set the Boxee Box to the correct aspect ratio for my TV. Once I was done I was at the main menu.

The first thing I wanted to try was to see if the Boxee Box could play back my ripped DVD's and Blurays. It took me awhile to figure out how to do this because Boxee changed their interface from the Boxee software which is available for the Mac and the PC. I got to be honest I do not like the new interface, however with that said if your new to Boxee you will probably like it since you didn't know how it was setup before. After I figured out how to add my media I needed to wait for the box to scan it all in. While it was scanning I went in and checked the applications.

Many of the Boxee Box applications are good, but not all of them. And not all applications announced are available yet. Missing from the box were HULU PLUS, Netflix and VUDU. (Vudu is there but if you click on it you get a message that it's coming soon.

The apps I didn't like include the Radiotime App which interface seems out of date (when compared to the Radiotime app on GoogleTV. I couldn't figure out how to select radio stations from outside my area. If I wanted to listen to radio stations in my area I would just (gasp) turn on a radio! Another app is called Youtube Leanback, which lets you view videos from Youtube. The problem here is that it plays back Youtube videos full screen and the videos look terrible including the ones that are supposed to be HD. I am guessing that the program is watching the videos in SD but I see no way to force HD videos from Youtube to play in HD by default. Both of these things the Google TV does much better than the Boxee Box.

Another app that had me disappointed was the Twit.TV app, which lets you watch shows from Leo Laporte's Twit Network. While the app is nice it was missing one of the things I wanted most in this app and that is live video streaming from the Twit network.

Other apps ran great and I was impressed with them including the Revision3 app, the Pandora App and the Weather App.

After I went through all the apps my media from my USB drive and my NAS were all scanned in. So I went in to check them out. I was surprised that the Boxee actually figured out what some of my movies were and displayed them with the movie cover art and description. The Boxee Box was able to play every video I threw at it including the Bluray ISO files but the Bluray ISO playback was not perfect and the unit was often rebuffering which made watching them annoying. The WDTV Live Plus has no issue playing these files. I also tried some MKV, AVI and DIVX files and all played fine. What I did find strange though is that on the regular DVD ISO's some would display the DVD menus, while others would not. I don't understand why this is as my WDTV Live Plus unit shows the menus on all the DVD's. Just like the WDTV Live Plus the Boxee Box will not play the menus from Bluray ISO's.

One thing that annoyed me about local video media playback on the Boxee Box was that for every movie I watched subtitles were on by default. While you can go turn off the subtitles in each movie these settings are not saved, so next time you watch the movie you need to go in and turn them off again. Another thing is if you stop a movie from playing and exit from that movie you will lose the place you were in that movie. So when you go back in later you will need to fast forward to the part you left off at.

I should note that the volume level on the movies was VERY low on a lot of the movies through my TV, I found myself cranking the TV almost all the way up to hear them. My only audio in my bedroom is through the TV and in this case the audio is fed to the TV by the HDMI cable. The Boxee Box is sending everything to my TV in Dolby Digital… I hope in the future they build in a function so that the box downconverts the audio into a 2 speaker format. If they did this I believe it would correct the volume issue.

The Boxee Box Main Menu lists TV Show and Moves that are available on the Internet, you can click on a show like Star Trek and be taken to the website to watch Star Trek Shows. The Boxee Box has a built in web browser but I got to be honest I haven't figured out how to use it yet. I can use the D pad on the remote to move the cursor around on the screen, but have not found a way to click on my selection. I have tried the select button in the middle of the D pad and also the enter key on the keyboard to no avail. Watching TV this way stinks as you're watching the show on a tiny box in the middle of the screen. All the sites offer a full screen option to watch their videos and shows but without a way to click on them it's hard. I was so frustrated by this that I posted at the official Boxee forum, where I was told to hook up a USB mouse to the Boxee and then I can click full screen. This can hopefully be fixed with a software upgrade.

The movie selection was mostly public domain movies, I was not impressed at all with the Boxee movie selection

The remote that comes with the Boxee Box is both cool and a pain at the same time. Using the remote is very easy, on the remote side there is only 3 buttons and the D pad. One button is play and pause, on is to go back one step and the final button is in the center of the D pad which is the select button.

The back of the remote is a keyboard which comes in handy at times for things like searching for videos on Youtube.

The remote is not without its flaws though, first of all the keyboard tiny chicklet keys are not backlit, making it impossible to use in a darkened room. And even in a room full of light I had a hard time seeing the writing on the keys. The other flaw is the keys on the front of the remote including the D Pad make a loud clicking noise when you press them. This clicking noise actually got me smacked by my wife who was trying to sleep as I was continuing my evaluation of the Boxee Box.

As I was getting ready to wrap up my testing I figured out where the settings were and found the one setting that may drive many people to get a Boxee Box, and that is the setting for Adult items. By turning this on you have access to a number of adult items including a number of adult applications which were not displayed before. By allowing the adult content to be shown your Boxee then gains apps such as Youporn, Bang Bros and Reality Kings. While the Youporn app worked all the videos except for one would not play. If you turn the adult features on you can password protect them to keep your kids out of them, although I would rather a key combination to hide and unhide the adult content at will, it is a pain to hide them as you need to go into the settings menu each time.

There was only one application I found on the Boxee Box which let you watch live video streaming and this app let you watch live news channels from around the globe. I was hoping for more live streaming, such as Twit.TV, Justin.TV and USTREAM. I would also love to see the Boxee Box be able to handle a webcam for live streaming such as Skype video calls. The Boxee Box is after all a computer so it should be able to handle it.

One thing I have found that the Boxee cannot do is DLNA streaming. But honestly if the box does everything it should do then it really does not need it. The Boxee was able to find all the media on all my networked PC's in my house and my nas.

Overall thoughts.

I was disappointed with the Logitech Revue with GoogleTV when I reviewed it because I felt it was rushed to market just so they could get the product out in time for the holidays. I feel that same about the Boxee Box.

Like the GoogleTV the Boxee Box shipped as an unfinished, unpolished box
While most of it works it is still missing a lot, nowhere in the box is VUDU, HULU Plus or Netflix. Thos features should be available by the end of the year. When that happens I will be able to remove 2 boxes from my stack and because the software is upgradable I hope they can fix the buffering issue for the Bluray ISO's. Once they fix the issues with the box the Boxee Box may indeed be the dream box.
At the moment the Boxee Box is usable but not stable, in my first night of using it the box froze up solid 3 times requiring a reboot.

If I had to pick a box to purchase this holiday season and had to pick between a GoogleTV and a Boxee Box I would go with the Boxee Box. However with that said I think with some TLC and some nice software updates it might be hard to decided which one is best this time next year. As I said before I feel both have been rushed to the market and I feel that on both boxes we are only seeing a shell of what they can really do.

While my dream of having everything is one box is still just a dream the Boxee Box is really close to making that dream come true!

I give the D-Link Boxee Box 2.5 Stars out of 4.
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Scott Greczkowski
Just got another update... GO GET IT!

All my Bluray ISO's that I have tried so far are playing back FLAWLESSLY! Before they would all rebuffer every 10 to 20 seconds making them unwatchable. I have not had a single rebuffer since upgrading!!

Very positive progress forward!
digiblur
Another update today....love the first item..


Changes in this version:

* Enabling user flavor selection (online/local inclination) during first login and via Settings - defaults for users selecting local will direct to local content and will not mandate multiple clicks to get to local content
* Added alphabetical scrollbar for local content
* Enhanced sorting options in browse screens (A-Z, Z-A, most popular, newest/oldest...)
* Main menu supports additional filter options
* Mark items as watched/unwatched from the Action menu
* Added option for hourly scan of local libraries
* When watching side-by-side or over/under video, the subtitles and OSD would not be visible when wearing 3D glasses. The user now has the option, under Settings, to have the user interface properly displayed when watching this kind of content
* Added SMB client defaults to network settings

Bug fixes

- Do not de-interlace of video when the TV is in interlaced mode (e.g. 1080i)
- HFS+ volumes display UUID instead of volume name under some conditions
- Video OSD text background too small for text title when playing video with long titles
- When connecting to VPN, Boxee didn't refresh region code
- Boxee doesn't change DNS configuration when VPN is set up
- Can't connect to hidden wireless networks
- Cannot connect to network using WPA passcode with special characters
- When Internet connection is restored, menu doesn't show online channels
- DVD .iso playback aspect ratio incorrect
- DVD playback displayed some artifacts
- "Resume From" doesn't work on DVD ISO/Folders
- Zoom on DVD (.iso and folder) video does not work as expected
- .vob files playback (standalone files) is stuttering and low FPS
- DVD .iso playback over Wireless N: excessive buffering, playback speed issues, random exits
- "Vietnamese" character set is misspelled in System Settings
- Show "Remove From Favorites" button in episodes list, even if no episodes are available
- SMB credentials are not saved upon restart
- Write failure when accessing Box-attached disk over SMB
- SMB file sharing of external HD size reporting is wrong
- Become unresponsive and hang during playback of AVC .mkv file from SMB mapped drive
- Crashes when indexing some videos inside .rar files
- Crashes indexing mp3 file with corrupt embedded thumbnail
- Stretch 16:9 and Stretch 14:9 not working properly
- Shoutcast and Radiotime: Switching stations or Cancel causes interface to freeze and console output to crawl
- Some .mkv files do not playback properly (some flavors of H.264)
- Support packed bitstream muxing mode in .avi
- Some .wtv files do not playback properly
- Constant buffering on 1080p BD .mkv files accessed wirelessly on Boxee
- Boxee crash when browsing into unidentified Files
- Playback choked and crashed during viewing of .mp4 file
Scott Greczkowski
This update seemed to cause a few more issues then it solved for me.

I have a HD WMV that played fine in the old version that is now all Pixels and garbage when played back with the new software.

If I try playing back anything from Youtube all that I see is green pixel boxes on my screen.

I have tried watching a few TV shows, The Jetsons, The Love Boat and a few others without success. I see a commercial first and then the show starts playing. I can hear it but the last frame of the commercial is shown over the top of it.

I see they added support for 3D. How do I rip my 3D Blurays so that I can watch them on my Boxee? Think AnyDVD HD will work?
digiblur
I rip my Blu-ray movies with the free ripper in DVD Fab. Then I use Handbrake to compress the M2TS file into a MKV with some custom compression settings.
tomcrown1
This update seemed to cause a few more issues then it solved for me.

I have a HD WMV that played fine in the old version that is now all Pixels and garbage when played back with the new software.

Scott try a fresh install

Hold down the off button for 7 seconds. Then pick restore to factory settings. Then follow the on screen prompts it should fix the issuses you are having.
If I try playing back anything from Youtube all that I see is green pixel boxes on my screen.

I have tried watching a few TV shows, The Jetsons, The Love Boat and a few others without success. I see a commercial first and then the show starts playing. I can hear it but the last frame of the commercial is shown over the top of it.

I see they added support for 3D. How do I rip my 3D Blurays so that I can watch them on my Boxee? Think AnyDVD HD will work?

Scott try a fresh install.
1 hold down the power button on boxee for 7 seconds.
2 turn unit on and pick factory restore.
3 follow on screen prompts and all should be good to go.
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Anony55
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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Nebugeater
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
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Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.
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Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.


Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Anony55
Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.
dishstaller
Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.
Anony55
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.
It hasn't changed. When I cancelled my service the other day, they told me I didn't need to return the receiver (which I already knew because I purchased it).

But in addition to that, the young man told me not to sell it, but to take it to a recycling place. The reason he gave for the advice was because 211Ks can no longer be activated.

So as far as the VIP211k goes... once grandpa dies, he's dead.
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They tell you to trash it and not to sell simply because they're phasing them out, not particularly because someone might be "confused" into buying it and not be able to activate. They tell people that in every case where they're not acting to get a box back, either from a replacement or service cancel.
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Corrado
Although my VIP211K hasn't been subscribed or connected to a dish in probably 5 years since canceling service, my 1 TB HDD full of programming still works fine.

Upon occasion I power it up to watch something I recorded as far back as 2010. The last time I had it going in September it even let me rescan the local OTA channels which I think it refused at some earlier time. I will use it until the day it fails but this topic makes me think some software download is responsible for current subscribers.
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zippyfrog
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Has anyone subscribed to NBA League Pass for 2026-27 and try to link their account to NBA.com to stream League Pass? I purchased it for 2026-27, and when I linked, I got a message saying success, but then I receive an error that my linked subscription does not include the preseason games for NBA League Pass. Is that how it has always been? I know satellite doesn't have the preseason games on the NBA League Pass channels, but I thought that I was able to stream the preseason once I linked my account on NBA.com?
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zippyfrog
I found my answer...when I log into the NBA app on my phone and try to watch, it gives me a more clear answer that it acknowledges I have paid for NBA League Pass from Dish and it is linked, but I need an "upgraded" subscription to League Pass for the preseason games. So I guess it is by design that Dish does not show the preseason games on League pass and that the contract Dish has signed for league pass is explicitly for the regular season games. (I know the description for League Pass says regular season games, but I thought that was only by satellite and the preseason would have worked)
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I plan on doing what I did last season. I ordered the more expensive arena feed version from the NBA website. It's worth it because you get to watch what's going on in the arena instead of just staring at the ad break slide on the Dish version. The main advantage to ordering from the website is you can go on a month by month basis and cancel if you get tired of it.
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Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Y
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
AZ.
AZ.
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
Jimbo
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...
AZ.
AZ.
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....
Jimbo
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....
Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...
Edit, Bama plays 4, Georgia plays 3, But Ole Miss plays 5 (didn't expect to see that)

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.
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Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.
Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?
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Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?
Seeing theres very little activity in the MLB threads, it wouldn't matter if I posted that the Astros didn't make the Playoffs ...

Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.
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IF they go to 24 teams, and it looks like they will soon ....
Do we Really want Teams with 3 and 4 losses in the Playoffs ?
Is a 3-4 Loss team one thats able to win 4-5 more games against Top teams ?
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One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.
A 12 team playoff net should catch any undefeated team. The 12 team playoff also exposed that rankings suck. I mean, we kind of knew already that the rankings weren't particularly reproducible, but we now have the empirical evidence that the rankings suck because judging who is the best among a mickey mouse scheduled football season isn't a rational endeavor. So the 12 team playoff ensures most teams that should make it, do, including the mid-major undefeated team. 8 teams should be able to work as well, but puts greater risk at OSU and Alabama missing the playoff... can't have that.

Which is the run up to my main problem with the 24 team set up is that it is designed to keep the OSU's and Alabama's from missing the playoff. The cartels are ensuring widespread participation for their own cartels to increase the monetary reward to themselves. It is fixing the system while not fixing the outcomes, merely making the regular season game outcomes virtually irrelevant. Sure, a bye for winning the conference would be nice, but we've already seen that byes aren't that influential.
We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
That is college football in a nutshell. Again, college football isn't about competition, it is about revenue. The entire setup is about making money, from regular season squash games against local jobbers like the WWF days to tax exempt bowl games.

And to add to the first world woes, the college football cartels have made being a College Football fan even more expensive... so they can get paid more.
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meStevo
Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

Nah, you just don't understand how ignore works, which is why you made your own NFL thread thinking there wasn't one 🤣
Former member 209992
Last reply · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center
For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
Foxbat
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
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WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin
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Foxbat
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:
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I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:
OMG to freaking funny :biggrin
comfortably_numb
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

Not likely since that place closed down.
Foxbat
Not likely since that place closed down.
You're no fun.😑
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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dishstaller
I really dislike change for the sake of change
dishdude
I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
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I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
Yes a lot cleaner, glossier, and less functional. Someone trying to justify why they are making a big salary. "See look shiny"
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navychop
"Big salary." Charlie. "?Big?"
Tampa8
Seems in some ways better. Nicer layout, as others said maybe cleaner. Moving ahead in the guide is better.
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Foxbat
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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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Ronnie-
Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
navychop
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
navychop
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
KAB
KAB
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
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Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
ncted
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.
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navychop
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
ncted
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
I assume you mean services, like iCloud and Apple Music, and not actual software sales. Services have been growing quickly for Apple, but hardware still brings home the bacon. As for where Apple's revenue comes from, the iPhone is still king with 49.58% of revenue as of June 2026. Services comes in second with 28%. iPad, Mac, and Wearables/Home makes up the rest. So, that is 72% coming from hardware. Their profit margin is around 25%, FWIW.

I am skeptical the AppleTV 4k makes them much money on the hardware though, which I suspect is what you were getting at.
ncted
What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
You should have looked in the APP STORE instead. ;)
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Will do!
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
look again mine says free for 1 month
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Almighty1
look again mine says free for 1 month
Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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wonder why it says that
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Almighty1
look again mine says free for 1 month
You have a different offer that is free for a shorter timeframe which is different than the one that I and bnewt saw without defining the promotion period as I sent the question to DISH Care via Facebook Messenger and this is the response I got back 20 minutes ago.

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Almighty1
wonder why it says that
Answer 2 minutes ago from DISH Care via Facebook Messenger:
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