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Candid
Last reply · posted in C-BAND Satellite Discussion
Hi TVROPRO,

Based on your below comment what are some of the channels your would reccommend to let the dish sit on during this period?

As of 12/26 Motorola will be sending out a massive turnoff command for all of NPS's 4DTV subscribers. 4DTV Online recommends that as of 12/25 to keep your 4DTV off of any channel you can get Hit on until January 5th 2011. This will protect your current maps and tiles from anything that may be sent along with that NPS kill command and beyond. Once the 4096 EMM provider is removed on 1/4 it should be safe to go on any DC-2 channel that a data stream was or is on. All movie channel's and W5/X4 channels contain active Hit information.

Thanks,

Candid
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If you wish to follow my personal recommendation. I would stay away from the HBO mux, Starz mux G1 & G5 and the channels on W5/X4 they all contain active Hit data. Your probably safer on W5/X4 then the G1 channels since the maps are there for X4 on W5/X4.

Are you saying to avoid G1 or just stay away from the HBO/Starz muxes???
stargaze
Are you saying to avoid G1 or just stay away from the HBO/Starz muxes???

He is saying to stay away from any area that Motorola can get to your receiver. It is time to make sure you turn off all automatic guide updates as well. Any data stream that they, (Motorola), can use, that is anything on G1, C3, G0, GB, G9, G5, C4 and possibly a couple other satellites.
It would be better to protect yourself if you park your dish on a satellite that has no DCII signals at all for a couple of weeks.
The so called "kill" signal does not just go away in 24 hours, it is and may be sent out for a week or two weeks possibly right up to the time they pull the plug entirely.
no-body knows for sure what Motorola will do, but since they have not publicly put out a statement as to their intentions, this is just a safety precaution if you do not want to run the risk of losing any info already stored in your receivers.

At present there are no DCII channels on T6 (Galaxy 25); G3 (Galaxy 3c); G4 (Galaxy 16); T5 (Galaxy 19): W6 (AMC-6) those would be considered a safe place to park the dish and remember do not turn off your receiver. If I remember correctly there is a special item installed in them that will force your receiver to move your dish after a certain number of days if the receiver is turned off. This was mentioned years ago when they were sending out updates to the receivers.

If you can not move your dish for any reason and it is on a satellite that is receiving data from Motorola then disconnect your C-band & KU band cable from the back of your receiver. Just make sure you mark which one is which.

To turn off the Automatic Dish moving Feature: Press (Options-6-4) on remote.
#1) Allow dish moving for updates:: turn this OFF.
wallyhts
If Motorola sends out a kill signal i think that would be the best thing they could do for us 4dtv people.

Because it would cause harm to hundreds of people.

Which is when the class-action lawsuits come out.

I can not think of anything better then having a judge issue an emergency order against Motorola not to shutdown the 4dtv stream until a buyer is found etc..

Just my two cents
WhiteBeard
He is saying to stay away from any area that Motorola can get to your receiver. It is time to make sure you turn off all automatic guide updates as well. Any data stream that they, (Motorola), can use, that is anything on G1, C3, G0, GB, G9, G5, C4 and possibly a couple other satellites.
It would be better to protect yourself if you park your dish on a satellite that has no DCII signals at all for a couple of weeks.
The so called "kill" signal does not just go away in 24 hours, it is and may be sent out for a week or two weeks possibly right up to the time they pull the plug entirely.
no-body knows for sure what Motorola will do, but since they have not publicly put out a statement as to their intentions, this is just a safety precaution if you do not want to run the risk of losing any info already stored in your receivers.

At present there are no DCII channels on T6 (Galaxy 25); G3 (Galaxy 3c); G4 (Galaxy 16); T5 (Galaxy 19): W6 (AMC-6) those would be considered a safe place to park the dish and remember do not turn off your receiver. If I remember correctly there is a special item installed in them that will force your receiver to move your dish after a certain number of days if the receiver is turned off. This was mentioned years ago when they were sending out updates to the receivers.

If you can not move your dish for any reason and it is on a satellite that is receiving data from Motorola then disconnect your C-band & KU band cable from the back of your receiver. Just make sure you mark which one is which.

To turn off the Automatic Dish moving Feature: Press (Options-6-4) on remote.
#1) Allow dish moving for updates:: turn this OFF.

Bummer. I guess I'll have to disconnect the coax to the 4D for a couple of weeks so that I can watch the FTA stuff on GB. Too bad no one knows what all Motorola intends to do.
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Bummer. I guess I'll have to disconnect the coax to the 4D for a couple of weeks so that I can watch the FTA stuff on GB. Too bad no one knows what all Motorola intends to do.

If you use a channel from 1-24 that is not DC-2 (no lock light) and leave the receiver there while watching DVB you will be safe.
stargaze
If you use a channel from 1-24 that is not DC-2 (no lock light) and leave the receiver there while watching DVB you will be safe.

Ummm, not so fast. That is the reason they installed that code in the receiver to move the dish by itself when they were sending out updates.
That is how some of us did not take updates at one time but they came up with that little dirty secret way back when.
The only way it would work is if there was no DCII channels at all on the entire satellite.
Then you were considered "safe".
So if your on a satellite with no DCII signals your ok otherwise not so much.

It would be nice to hear what the real plans are but it is what it is at this point in time.
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Ummm, not so fast. That is the reason they installed that code in the receiver to move the dish by itself when they were sending out updates.
That is how some of us did not take updates at one time but they came up with that little dirty secret way back when.
The only way it would work is if there was no DCII channels at all on the entire satellite.
Then you were considered "safe".
So if your on a satellite with no DCII signals your ok otherwise not so much.

It would be nice to hear what the real plans are but it is what it is at this point in time.

If you left your receiver on an analog only channel powered up how can it get any DC info at all to move the dish. I can't see that happening. Am I missing something else?
stargaze
If you left your receiver on an analog only channel powered up how can it get any DC info at all to move the dish. I can't see that happening. Am I missing something else?

Years ago when I knew people at Motorola I was told that even on an analog channel as long as there was a DCII data stream on the satellite they could send a signal to have the receiver move the dish to the updating satellite.
I remember them saying it could only happen at the end of seven days. This was a last resort type of thing that was built into the receivers.
They built it to have the control over it.
When the receiver was built there were DCII signals on almost every satellite at that time.
This is not true today as there are several that have no DCII signals on them. Those are fine.
It will be interesting to see what pans out, I would hate to think they would stoop so low to cause harm to the last of the 4dtv people by removing things they put in the receiver but then they could do it and say it was never in the receiver at the beginning and they are leaving the receivers just as they came out of the box when sold new.

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I remembered what it was now. If the receiver was turned off it still searches for a DCII signal on the satellite your on. So if you had a power outage or the receiver was shut off by accident it would still search for any DCII signal. That was how the receiver would get hit.
Leaving it on an analog channel is ok as long as the receiver does not shut off for any reason.
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Edited:
I remembered what it was now. If the receiver was turned off it still searches for a DCII signal on the satellite your on. So if you had a power outage or the receiver was shut off by accident it would still search for any DCII signal. That was how the receiver would get hit.
Leaving it on an analog channel is ok as long as the receiver does not shut off for any reason.

That makes sense since the VC would look for a VC signal when the receiver was shut off too. As of the 22nd I will park my bud on W7 when not in use. W7 and W8 are clear No DC.

Lets hope they just let the 4096 die gracefully and not create any complications.
eurosport
That makes sense since the VC would look for a VC signal when the receiver was shut off too. As of the 22nd I will park my bud on W7 when not in use. W7 and W8 are clear No DC.

Lets hope they just let the 4096 die gracefully and not create any complications.

That's where I've been parking mine. W7. No DCII "middle-of-the-night-mumbo-jumbo" there! :)
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That's where I've been parking mine. W7. No DCII "middle-of-the-night-mumbo-jumbo" there! :)

One can also create a fake satellite in between 2 birds and park it there. Nothing to fear then :D I have been dodging the bullet since the VC days, there are ways.
D
One can also create a fake satellite in between 2 birds and park it there. Nothing to fear then :D I have been dodging the bullet since the VC days, there are ways.

Yeah! Just park it at the FreeDBS bird!!! ;)
phrantic
Mine is always on Galaxy 16 (G4)-17 until this nonsense is over.
At least there is a test-pattern and clock to watch.
phrantic
If Motorola sends out a kill signal i think that would be the best thing they could do for us 4dtv people.

Because it would cause harm to hundreds of people.

Which is when the class-action lawsuits come out.

I can not think of anything better then having a judge issue an emergency order against Motorola not to shutdown the 4dtv stream until a buyer is found etc..

Just my two cents

Just re-reading this thread.
I wonder if somebody contacted their Congressman or Senator and told them Motorola is taking away our rights to watch C-Span proceedings at the end of the year...? Maybe this move by Motorola would be deemed as unconstitutional because Motorola provides us no means of altering their methodology. Ha - we can't even adjust the time on the clocks without Motorola's input.
Further to that, when we bought our receivers, Motorola did not give us any time-factor when their support on them would run-out or end, and we would be left with Motorola boxes that could do virtually nothing.

Sorry, but I am Canadian so I cannot test these waters...
Anony55
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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Nebugeater
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
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Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.
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Nebugeater
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.


Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Anony55
Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.
dishstaller
Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.
Anony55
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.
It hasn't changed. When I cancelled my service the other day, they told me I didn't need to return the receiver (which I already knew because I purchased it).

But in addition to that, the young man told me not to sell it, but to take it to a recycling place. The reason he gave for the advice was because 211Ks can no longer be activated.

So as far as the VIP211k goes... once grandpa dies, he's dead.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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dishstaller
I really dislike change for the sake of change
dishdude
I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
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I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
Yes a lot cleaner, glossier, and less functional. Someone trying to justify why they are making a big salary. "See look shiny"
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navychop
"Big salary." Charlie. "?Big?"
Tampa8
Seems in some ways better. Nicer layout, as others said maybe cleaner. Moving ahead in the guide is better.
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Foxbat
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Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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Ronnie-
Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
navychop
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
navychop
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
KAB
KAB
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
S
Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
ncted
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.
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navychop
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
ncted
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
I assume you mean services, like iCloud and Apple Music, and not actual software sales. Services have been growing quickly for Apple, but hardware still brings home the bacon. As for where Apple's revenue comes from, the iPhone is still king with 49.58% of revenue as of June 2026. Services comes in second with 28%. iPad, Mac, and Wearables/Home makes up the rest. So, that is 72% coming from hardware. Their profit margin is around 25%, FWIW.

I am skeptical the AppleTV 4k makes them much money on the hardware though, which I suspect is what you were getting at.
ncted
What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
You should have looked in the APP STORE instead. ;)
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navychop
Will do!
cpdretired
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Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
look again mine says free for 1 month
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Almighty1
look again mine says free for 1 month
Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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wonder why it says that
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Almighty1
look again mine says free for 1 month
You have a different offer that is free for a shorter timeframe which is different than the one that I and bnewt saw without defining the promotion period as I sent the question to DISH Care via Facebook Messenger and this is the response I got back 20 minutes ago.

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Almighty1
wonder why it says that
Answer 2 minutes ago from DISH Care via Facebook Messenger:
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osu1991
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
dishstaller
Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
But.....if you like Tulsa King....looks like you would probably like this as well. I don't mind spin-offs as long as they don't involve a sassy niece who moves from the big city :rolleyes:
TheRatPatrol
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Jimbo

Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
Tony as the director.🙄
Jimbo
Tony as the director.🙄
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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dfergie
I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
Jimbo
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.