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I heard that installers can make 900-1100 a week?
If one earned 1000 a week then it turns out to be annual income of 52k, which is a lot more than what lots of Uni graduates who majored in a humanities major get.

So I naturally thought that the competition must be very fierce.

I am a drop out of a Uni (5 semesters) and as a job history have only 2 months of Kroger.

If I were to go back to Uni I wouldn't know what to do except maybe teach English in Korea/Japan, which pays like 20k-40k.

I really like the prospect of installing dish because I guess I would get lots of exercise and fresh air in doing so.
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L
$1000 a week, minus $200 gas, wear n tear on truck, tools, insurance.... I can keep going... U are left with about $350 for 60 hours.. Do the math!
That comes out to be 5.80/hr, which is lower than minimum wage. I refuse to belive anyone would work for only that much.
kcaudiofx
That comes out to be 5.80/hr, which is lower than minimum wage. I refuse to belive anyone would work for only that much.

honestly it all depends on who you work for, in this line of business you are seriously rolling the dice if your with a good company or bad. In my experience in over 12 years there is a LOT more bad than good companies out there.. Things were great back in 98-06 (my opinion) but things have QUICKLY went downhill. HSP's love to makeup chargebacks, fail to pay you to where you have to spend money and a LOT of time to fight for your money.. Honestly if you are interested in good money, get trained somewhere, get the knowledge, and become a retailer and work DIRECTLY under D* and/or Dish.. The money is good, MOST the drama is eliminated. I am by far not an expert but I have been a retailer for 3 years now and loving every minute of it with good pay..
L
honestly it all depends on who you work for, in this line of business you are seriously rolling the dice if your with a good company or bad. In my experience in over 12 years there is a LOT more bad than good companies out there.. Things were great back in 98-06 (my opinion) but things have QUICKLY went downhill. HSP's love to makeup chargebacks, fail to pay you to where you have to spend money and a LOT of time to fight for your money.. Honestly if you are interested in good money, get trained somewhere, get the knowledge, and become a retailer and work DIRECTLY under D* and/or Dish.. The money is good, MOST the drama is eliminated. I am by far not an expert but I have been a retailer for 3 years now and loving every minute of it with good pay..

Does D* stand for DirecTV?
What is working directly under the two companies by becoming a retailer mean? What does a retailer do? What is the criteria to get the job?
Also seriously can you earn less than minimum wage if you get BAD? Even in big name companies like DirecTV and Dish? What is average pay would you say?
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Does D* stand for DirecTV?
What is working directly under the two companies by becoming a retailer mean? What does a retailer do? What is the criteria to get the job?
Also seriously can you earn less than minimum wage if you get BAD? Even in big name companies like DirecTV and Dish? What is average pay would you say?

Average pay is probably close to $11 - $14 an hour. Depending on policies, you can do worse or better. But you will not be making $1000 a week. At one time, yes, that was possible. In a nutshell, all of these companies find ways to dock your pay to the point where you make about $12 an hour. And keep in mind, this is not waking up at 7am, clocking in at 8am, and then clocking out at 5pm. There is alot of BS time that you don't get paid, such as meetings, inventory, drive time, ect...

You can find a couple different ways to work. You have "inhouse" techs and then you have contractors. If you choose Dish Network, I believe you are actually working for Dish. DirecTV outsources all of their work to regional contractors called HSP's. There are a couple regions where you actually work for DirecTV. If you work for Dish Network, also called DNS, or one of DirecTV's HSP's, they will provide you with all of the equipment, vehicle, fuel, and parts. There will be some basic tools that you will need to bring to the game. At this point, you are an employee for these companies, NOT a contractor.
The pay structure with both of these employers are complex and meant to keep your eye off the real question...What are you REALLY making?
DirecTV pays by piece work. Basically, you get paid $x.00 to put the dish up, then $x.00 for each additional receiver. If its an upgrade or service call, its a flat rate. So basically, if an install pays $65.00 and takes you an hour, you did great. If it takes you four hours, then you're screwed. Same with service calls and upgrades.
Dish Networks uses some Points Per Hours, or PPH, BS. Its basically the same idea behind piecework, except you're awarded points per hour. Then there are several factors including PPH, such a connectivity (hooking phone lines up), Quality of work, ect ... that all determines your hourly rate. Dish Network is notorious for micromanaging and implementing ridiculous rules. For example, you are required to rewire every house if it is not Dish Networks substandard cable. Yes. Substandard. Nearly every cable company and DirecTV uses a higher standard cable than Dish Network and they require you to rip it all out because it is not their specific vendor of cable. The idiotic nonsense is just getting started with that example.

Contractors: Stay away from these guys. DirecTV's HSPs and DNS outsource some of their work to smaller contract companies. If you go through these guys, they require you to provide everything up front, vehicle, gas, tools, ect... They pay a little better, but you take all the risk. Very often these contractors are snakes. The open up shop, land the contract and disappear in 6 months time. They back charge you (DirecTV's HSP's do this too) for numerous things, often for things out of your control. Stay away from them unless you find a very good one from talking to the guys who are contracting for them.

Retailers are the local guys around town. They land a sale and need someone to do the install. They pay by piece work too, but the almost always pay better and w/out all the nonsense you find with the groups above. If you are serious about getting in this industry, this is where you should start. Unfortunately, they have very experience tech's waiting in line outside their door.

My advise: Rethink this and find something better. You're going about this very wrong if you expect to make 52k a year. There is good money to be made in the satellite industry, but its all in commercial. There is nothing wrong with starting out with one of with one of these slave outfits to get the experience, but you need to have a very clear exit strategy in a year or two to move onto something better.
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Sorry, forgot some

10-14 hour days are not uncommon. But like I said, I like to work. Not many really do.

And the overseas job was a company called Proactiv communications (90% sure that's the name). Customer I installed works the and told me about them hiring. I have no networking experience so I had to pass.
vash1090
Average pay is probably close to $11 - $14 an hour. Depending on policies, you can do worse or better. But you will not be making $1000 a week. At one time, yes, that was possible. In a nutshell, all of these companies find ways to dock your pay to the point where you make about $12 an hour. And keep in mind, this is not waking up at 7am, clocking in at 8am, and then clocking out at 5pm. There is alot of BS time that you don't get paid, such as meetings, inventory, drive time, ect...

You can find a couple different ways to work. You have "inhouse" techs and then you have contractors. If you choose Dish Network, I believe you are actually working for Dish. DirecTV outsources all of their work to regional contractors called HSP's. There are a couple regions where you actually work for DirecTV. If you work for Dish Network, also called DNS, or one of DirecTV's HSP's, they will provide you with all of the equipment, vehicle, fuel, and parts. There will be some basic tools that you will need to bring to the game. At this point, you are an employee for these companies, NOT a contractor.
The pay structure with both of these employers are complex and meant to keep your eye off the real question...What are you REALLY making?
DirecTV pays by piece work. Basically, you get paid $x.00 to put the dish up, then $x.00 for each additional receiver. If its an upgrade or service call, its a flat rate. So basically, if an install pays $65.00 and takes you an hour, you did great. If it takes you four hours, then you're screwed. Same with service calls and upgrades.
Dish Networks uses some Points Per Hours, or PPH, BS. Its basically the same idea behind piecework, except you're awarded points per hour. Then there are several factors including PPH, such a connectivity (hooking phone lines up), Quality of work, ect ... that all determines your hourly rate. Dish Network is notorious for micromanaging and implementing ridiculous rules. For example, you are required to rewire every house if it is not Dish Networks substandard cable. Yes. Substandard. Nearly every cable company and DirecTV uses a higher standard cable than Dish Network and they require you to rip it all out because it is not their specific vendor of cable. The idiotic nonsense is just getting started with that example.

Contractors: Stay away from these guys. DirecTV's HSPs and DNS outsource some of their work to smaller contract companies. If you go through these guys, they require you to provide everything up front, vehicle, gas, tools, ect... They pay a little better, but you take all the risk. Very often these contractors are snakes. The open up shop, land the contract and disappear in 6 months time. They back charge you (DirecTV's HSP's do this too) for numerous things, often for things out of your control. Stay away from them unless you find a very good one from talking to the guys who are contracting for them.

Retailers are the local guys around town. They land a sale and need someone to do the install. They pay by piece work too, but the almost always pay better and w/out all the nonsense you find with the groups above. If you are serious about getting in this industry, this is where you should start. Unfortunately, they have very experience tech's waiting in line outside their door.

My advise: Rethink this and find something better. You're going about this very wrong if you expect to make 52k a year. There is good money to be made in the satellite industry, but its all in commercial. There is nothing wrong with starting out with one of with one of these slave outfits to get the experience, but you need to have a very clear exit strategy in a year or two to move onto something better.

So, you've never actually worked directly for the company is what you're saying? Your facts are a little off and you sound very jaded. Are you an installer?
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The day of the independent retailer is slowly becoming a thing of the past. Many of us old timers survive the slow times off our residuals (what's left of them) and some may benefit from a class action suite 10 years in the making. Both DirecTV and Dish Network are trying to gain greater control over the installation and service areas. Today, if you are looking to get into the installation industry, I would recommend that you apply directly with the Home Service Provider for your area. Too many independent subcontractors hire guys on at the lowest rate they can and then charge you back for everything (kind of like what the providers do to the retailers if they bring low quality customers to the table). If the company doesn't offer paid training, a company truck and benefits… just keep looking. If you decide to take the retailer path, set yourself up to do the things that the HSP's don't. Diversify your product line, offer a quality that is unmatched, and only do business with customers that pass the credit check with flying colors if there is a potential for a chargeback.
F>I>Y> I have 3 sons now in their 20's. I have not encouraged them to look to this industry for their future!
L
Thank you for all of your input!
I am inclined away from it now but just in case I would like to know if none of the installer jobs are availble in your city would you have to go all the way to the city where you want to get hired to do the interview without knowing whether you would get the job or not?
S
So, you've never actually worked directly for the company is what you're saying? Your facts are a little off and you sound very jaded. Are you an installer?
I worked as a sub for one of DirecTV's HSP's. My contracting company was fair, not great, but not bad either, despite the nearly unanimous bad mouthing from all the other subs. I understood crap rolled downhill and the tech is left holding the bag.
I have a very poor opinion of Dish Network, starting from their CEO all the way to how they treat their techs...not that DirecTV is the golden child.
I handle commercial, and its night and day compared to working for Dish or DirecTv. Everyone treats you with respect and my pay is negotiable. If I have to put up with silly nonsense, its due to government regulations. Unless someone is wanting to make a career in this field, I will try my best to talk them out of working in this industry.
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Every time my Dish contract comes up I weigh the options of keeping Dish or switch to streaming. Right now I can watch/record the OTA channels vis my HDHomerun. I also can stream CBS and NBC via the Paramount+ and Peacock apps. What I would need to find is how to watch the Food Network, HGTV, Syfy, USA, Hallmark channels, Great American Family, Lifetime channels plus a few more with an app or two. My current Dish bill is $118, so I should be able to get a few apps for a lot less.

Any suggestions? I would want the best picture quality and audio quality I could get.
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Bruce
Every time my Dish contract comes up I weigh the options of keeping Dish or switch to streaming. Right now I can watch/record the OTA channels vis my HDHomerun. I also can stream CBS and NBC via the Paramount+ and Peacock apps. What I would need to find is how to watch the Food Network, HGTV, Syfy, USA, Hallmark channels, Great American Family, Lifetime channels plus a few more with an app or two. My current Dish bill is $118, so I should be able to get a few apps for a lot less.

Any suggestions? I would want the best picture quality and audio quality I could get.
Ask this question in the Cord Cutters part of the forum, do not feel like getting yelled at, if I answer the questions here.
SuperDish_Fan23
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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HipKat
I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.
AZ.
AZ.
Well if it is because of reliability that wouldnt shock me.I went through 5 or 6 of them in little over 2 years. I loved the Sling when it worked! Saved lots of money having it in the day. That was probably 15 or 16 years ago?
T
I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.
Nominal
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.
You are thinking of the 921. The 922 was the first DVR with Sling functionality built in (that was eventually disabled along with the Sling Adapter for the 722s and the 1st Hopper because they relied on now-defunct Adobe Flash technology). With the bugginess described by others and the removal of its marquee feature (Sling) the 922 faded into obscurity once the Hopper 2 with built in Sling was released and they finally made the concept into a fully functional product.
dishdude
I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.
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I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.
I had both the 921 and the 922. I used to buy them from DishDepot.com in Florida and trade in my older owned receiver towards the newest receiver. The 921 was a reboot receiver and the sling part was hit or miss. I look back on all those receivers I paid for over 25 years and I think it was just TV. If I had that money back now I would be lot richer. My Owned Hopper 3 is sitting in a drawer in my office not being used.
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dishstaller
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share
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Jimbo
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share

Walmart isn't the only one ...
Juan
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share

When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...the product label only shows the weight of the product...I am sure if you brought your own plastic baggies to bring the product home you could get the cheaper price
harshness
Walmart isn't the only one ...
I've been seeing this more and more on Amazon. Sometimes it seems there is no way they could have arrived at the number.

What rankles me even more is Costco changing units of measure between similar products, so you have to convert them to compare prices.
dishstaller
When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...
Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.
b4pjoe
Meat with a bone in it. It contributes to the weight.
harshness
Meat with a bone in it. It contributes to the weight.
Bone-in is a well-known and often prized attribute. Adding the tray and the film isn't right.
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Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Love Every Little Thing About You - Gallery
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Where's My Thing? - Rush
harshness
I Don't Wanna Miss a Thing - Aerosmith
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Good Golly, Miss Molly - Little Richard
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Little Miss Dangerous - Ted Nugent
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Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Foxbat
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.
Bobby
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.
Winter blend is cheaper than Summer blend.
Bobby
Regular$5.839​
Premium$6.299​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
harshness
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price?
Winter blend is reportedly 10-30 cents cheaper, but I would point out that prices have dropped as much as 62 cents at RP.
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Last reply · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center
For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Scott Greczkowski
Ok checked it out and for some reason the web server (NGINX) tried starting before the DNS resolver fully loaded. This is why it worked when I rebooted the machine.

Thanks to ChatGPT it had me change the NGINX config to prevent this from happening again.

With that said I can't prevent the ISP from doing emergency upgrades which was the cause of all of this.
navychop
Nature will develop better idiots.
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Nature will develop better idiots.
God help us.
Scott Greczkowski
I guess this is what the downtime was about.

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Scott Greczkowski
Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)
Gary Toma
Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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WCWW/25 CW South Bend and WBKP/5 CW Marquette are now testing on the stream server. These are both already available on satellite.

Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS (663-1 is likely being reserved for an overflow feed of Detroit Sportsnet, if there's a 2027 MLB season)
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS
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DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Oct 21 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Oct 21 2026 vs Oct 14 2026:


No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

1 Transponder cleared of all Streams::
Net 10 TID 126 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D11@99cb, TPN 3

1 Previously unused Transponder with current APG records::
Net 15 TID 15 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D12@103ca, TPN 16

Stream (PID) counts:

LIVE Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
4​
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HD​
264​
2​
1449​
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SD mpeg4​
145​
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194​
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SD mpeg2​
433​
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RB​
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Audio​
89​
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Push​
26​
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Slate​
19​
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1​
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TEST Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
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HD​
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1​
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SD mpeg4​
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SD mpeg2​
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RB​
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Engr Work​
38​
-2​
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The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files

NBA Updates
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters
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weekly Analysis for 10/21/2026:
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
Wait…..
So even though DAZN keeps touting 'only way to see games' if you are a subscriber to Choice (like my stepdad) if an agreement is reached he can see the Wolfies on 668?
I know the Wild are in dispute and a slate is on 668-1.
Marques Brownlee
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