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riffjim4069
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I have a few technical and non-technical questions about upgrading a relative's Dish Network setup from SD to HD. I helped her purchase a 50" HDTV recently and assembled a matching TV stand. I used to know quite a bit about the various setups, configurations and programming options when I had Dish, but it's amazing how quickly you forget these things when you haven't had the service in 3 1/2 years.

Anyway, here are all the facts in a nutshell:

- She is in the Baltimore DMA and, until recently, had one (1) SD TV connected to a DP311 receiver via a Dish 500/DPP Twin. She now has a HDTV connected to that same DP311.

- Needless to say, she receives SD national channels and SD Batimore locals from 110/119. I noticed she had only one (1) RG-6 coming down from the DPP-Twin LNBF which is all she really needed for the 311...however, next week I am bringing along one of my old VIP622s that has been sitting in a closet the past 3 1/2 years (OK, I sometime watch some old VOOM recordings, but it's mainly just gathering dust).

- She doesn't watch a lot of TV (probably has the Top 100/120 package plus locals) but she has been with Dish for 11-years...so I am wanting to make this as painless and inexpensive as possible. Can I assume since she will only have one receiver on her account (the replacement 622) there will no additional fees (beyond the $6 DVR fee). In other words, will she have to pay a Duo-DVR receiver fee even though she only owns one (1) TV and one (1) receiver in her house?

- She had an old motorized Channel Master VHF/UHF antenna on the roof that had not been used in 15+ years. The motor controller was missing (and probably no longer worked), but the antenna still functioned perfectly regardless of old RG-59 wiring...expecially since she's only 17 miles from the Baltimore towers. I connected the OTA antenna to her HDTV and she picks-up all the Baltimore HD locals, and almost all of the Washington DC locals too (although they are in the opposite direction the antenna is pointed). Anyway, does she still need to subscribe to her locals in order to receive guide data, or did Dish do away with this nickel & dime fee?

- The EKB Channel Chart disappeared, but I noticed Digi is maintaining "The List" here at SatGuys. While some of the National HD channels are on the 110/119 sats, the Baltimore HD locals appear to be on 61.5. Offhand, I would have thought Baltimore would have been moved over to the Eastern Arc (61.5, 72.7 and the 77 satellites). Anyway, I have two Dish 500s and two DPP-34 switches sitting around the house. I could install a side 61.5 dish, but my initial impression is that I will have a major tree issue...in which the Eastern Arc is useless. Regardless, what satellites does she need to hit for HD in the Baltimore DMA? To be honest, she receives her locals via OTA...and she really wouldn't noticed if some HD channels are missing since 70% of her viewing is the broadcast networks.

- I don't feel like drilling another hole to run a 2nd line for the dual-tuner 622. I do have a half-dozen DPP-Separators...can't I just use them on each end instead without running a second line into the house? Also, if I do install a 61.5 Dish/500...I will need to install a DPP-34 switch, correct?

- What is the minimum programming package she would have to subscribe to in order to active my old 622 on her account? In other words...does free HD for life mean that Dish got rid of TurboHD and all the old HD package? Will she have to pay a separate "HD" change for the HD channels? As the pictures show, I was up on the roof and I wasn't too impressed with the quality of the work. Perhaps I'll just pay the $15 service call and get Dish Network out here to install a VIP612 if they want to charge for anything extra for her VIP622 (Duo-DVR fee?). Can I assume the first receive is still free regardless of type?

Thanks in advance....your comments are greatly appreciated! :hatsoff:
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riffjim4069
Thanks Matt! Receiver activated and everything's working perfectly. The only inconvenience was the fact the 622 went through several software/guide downloads since it was running 3 1/2 year old software. Anyway, I setup autopay/e-billing and HD Free for Life and even had her setup some timers, etc.

Thanks again! Much appreciated. :hatsoff:
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very cool. glad it all worked out
MattG@DISH
Thanks Matt! Receiver activated and everything's working perfectly. The only inconvenience was the fact the 622 went through several software/guide downloads since it was running 3 1/2 year old software. Anyway, I setup autopay/e-billing and HD Free for Life and even had her setup some timers, etc.

Thanks again! Much appreciated. :hatsoff:

Anytime! Find me if you have any problems.
Teehar
Kudos MattG,and glad to hear you got it all working riffjim4069!
riffjim4069
Works fine, but the mother in-law has turned-out to be a DVR fanatic...setting timers and watching nothing but HD. Surprisingly, she has already asked me if she can get more HD channels. :eek: I don't mind driving-up a Dish 500 and DP-34 Switch, but I don't feel like being on the roof when it's 100 outside.
NotMe546
Works fine, but the mother in-law has turned-out to be a DVR fanatic...setting timers and watching nothing but HD. Surprisingly, she has already asked me if she can get more HD channels. :eek: I don't mind driving-up a Dish 500 and DP-34 Switch, but I don't feel like being on the roof when it's 100 outside.
Why not don't you need a tan.:D:rolleyes:
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

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Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Lately my eight year old Dell laptop has been shutting off even when I have a full battery. I have had to keep it plugged up all the time to keep this from happening. Any idea what is causing this? I replaced the battery about three years ago.
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Bruce
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I was reading this article


That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.


Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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Bruce
And again, 15 months in a row, streaming wins-

Cable and Broadcast added together-36.4%

Streaming with a massive 49.6%, 13.2% higher than Broadcast/Streaming.

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Jimbo
And again, 15 months in a row, streaming wins-

Cable and Broadcast added together-36.4%

Streaming with a massive 49.6%, 13.2% higher than Broadcast/Streaming.

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Your Still Thrilled about all this ?

These numbers will Never be accurate as many people use Both still ...

You have services like Hulu Live and You Tube TV that do, what you call Cable, but they ARE Streaming, so Which is is ?

Does it get counted 2x as both Streaming and Cable ?
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Jimbo
But they ARE Streaming as well, so they Should be counted as both, which would make the Streaming numbers even More prominate.

Q.
Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...
Bruce
But they ARE Streaming as well, so they Should be counted as both, which would make the Streaming numbers even More prominate.

Q.
Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...
Same.

Ratings for streaming content is extremely accurate, since the service knows who is watching what and when, when we hit ok on our remotes.

Ratings for Broadcast/Cable shows has always been a estimate.
Jimbo
Same.

Ratings for streaming content is extremely accurate, since the service knows who is watching what and when, when we hit ok on our remotes.

Ratings for Broadcast/Cable shows has always been a estimate.
If I flip thru shows on an app, 3-4 in a few minutes, does that still show that I watched the whole episode ?


If I watch the Super Bowl for 5 minutes, does that count as watching the Super Bowl ?
Is it the same if I just watched the Commercials.
Bruce
If I flip thru shows on an app, 3-4 in a few minutes, does that still show that I watched the whole episode ?


If I watch the Super Bowl for 5 minutes, does that count as watching the Super Bowl ?
Is it the same if I just watched the Commercials.
Nielsen Streaming Ratings: Third-party measurement firm Nielsen tracks U.S. streaming viewership, releasing weekly reports that measure total minutes viewed across major television sets, broken down by program (such as original, acquired, and movie content) rather than minute-by-minute audience retention curves.
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Your Still Thrilled about all this ?

These numbers will Never be accurate as many people use Both still ...
Nobody is "happy" or "sad" about this. Simply posting data in an non-editorialized way has nothing to do with anyone's feelings.

The data on the streaming side is immensely accurate, I'm guessing to the millisecond. Plus most people likely have not turned off data sharing and thus they are grabbing a huge swath of data. Much more accurate than cable which relies on a smaller sample size and probably not to the second.

In either case, nobody is getting "double counted" because it's usage based. If I watch 100 minutes of content and 30 minutes is on Youtube and 20 minutes on Disney and 50 minutes on YTTV, it's going to show up as 30%, 20%, 50% slices of my personal pie respectively.
Q.
Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...
Nielsen does. If you go into the settings of any of your streaming accounts, you can turn off the option to share to usage data with their third party measuring service - Nielsen.
Jimbo
Nobody is "happy" or "sad" about this. Simply posting data in an non-editorialized way has nothing to do with anyone's feelings.

The data on the streaming side is immensely accurate, I'm guessing to the millisecond. Plus most people likely have not turned off data sharing and thus they are grabbing a huge swath of data. Much more accurate than cable which relies on a smaller sample size and probably not to the second.

In either case, nobody is getting "double counted" because it's usage based. If I watch 100 minutes of content and 30 minutes is on Youtube and 20 minutes on Disney and 50 minutes on YTTV, it's going to show up as 30%, 20%, 50% slices of my personal pie respectively.

Nielsen does. If you go into the settings of any of your streaming accounts, you can turn off the option to share to usage data with their third party measuring service - Nielsen.
I have turned some off, not others ...
dishstaller

Funny thing is that as the screen size and pic quality increase, the quality of the programming has DEcreased.
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Ramy
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Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?
Jimbo
You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?
No, I was actually referring to outside of the Top 8, but should have been Top 12 ...

I guess I should have looked at the bracket from last year first ...

I'm more thinking about them trying to expect a 15 to beat a 5 seed or there abouts .
Ronnie-
I'm more thinking about them trying to expect a 15 to beat a 5 seed or there abouts .
I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.
AZ.
AZ.
I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.
Yep, wonder why we rank the top 25 in 2 poles still? Do the ranking change much if they are unranked or have many loses? They sure do, any given day never take your opponent as a cake walk.....
Jimbo
I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.
Correct, you Do get upsets from time to time ....however .
You Don't get teams UPSETTING teams for 5 weeks in a row.

They are trying to make this Basketball and its a far cry from the way that is played.

How long till they go to 32 teams ? Then they will say, well, the NFL is 32 teams, we can make more money that way .... except the NFL is 32 teams, that are a set number of teams and divisions, you don't have that in College ... oh but they will try.

They would have to choose what teams they would want in and thats it.
Hopefully that NEVER happens.

I can see the NCAA going away and the CFP taking that portion over and a Collective Bargaining agreement coming in the not to distant future.
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The problem with rankings and playoffs is that they are designed to hype the game and make money. Period.

The only reason that BYU and Texas Tech were upsets is that they were hyped up in the standings in the first place. I love watching BYU and Bear Bachmeier. They are a fun and talented team, but not nearly so strong, fast, big, and skilled as a true top ten team. Does anyone truly believe they could compete with the likes of Georgia, Ohio State, Indiana, Alabama, etc.? Yet, they were ranked above those teams.

Each year, there are 10 to 12 teams who truly could compete for the championship if it depended on winning more than one game in a playoff. Including teams like James Madison, Tulane, BYU, etc. in a playoff has nothing to do with determining a national champion. It's just about money.
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Ronnie-
Correct, you Do get upsets from time to time
Yes. As shown in a few posts now.


You Don't get teams UPSETTING teams for 5 weeks in a row.

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But that wasn't what your stated argument was though.


I mean if you drag it out, no team even a favorite is gonna win every game 20 weeks in a row.


With the parity in college football now, who knows who can beat anyone at any given time?

This season and last have shown it might not be the ones we think that might win it all that will win it all.
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Jimbo
Yes. As shown in a few posts now.



But that wasn't what your stated argument was though.


I mean if you drag it out, no team even a favorite is gonna win every game 20 weeks in a row.


With the parity in college football now, who knows who can beat anyone at any given time?

This season and last have shown it might not be the ones we think that might win it all that will win it all.
No, no ... if you want to make the playoffs, you want to Win it ... If you want to Win it, you need to Win 4-5 games in a row against Top 10 teams for the most part, theres a Possibility you'd play someone out side of the Top 10, but not much.

The Playoffs is a 4-5 game Win or Go Home.