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Just ordered and had a new 722K installed yesterday

I spoke with sales last week and they walked me thru the process i explained that i was coming from a newer model TIVO with comcast and wanted a nice user interface they showed me a few screenshots from there web site. so i moved forward with the sale. they installed in yesterday and i started to play around with it last night. and i cannot believe how bad the UI looked it was 3 year old look and feel.

It wasnt what i was shown on by there sales person.

i reached out to customer support and spoke with there exec support person. and explained my concerned they didnt seem to understand my concern.

apprently the screen shots are from the 922 which is no longer aval.

so i requested to cancel my service. they would not do it without me paying a early cancellation fee. Remember i have only had the dish for a few hours.

so not a happy camper!

Just my rant.

any thoughts comments ???
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GaryPen
If somebody defends the Dish UI, they are at the very least a Dish apologist, and at worst a fanboy.
You may personally be willing to put up with the antiquated design. But, that does not mean that it isn't, in fact, antiquated.
Simply stated in a level-headed way.
dare2be
If somebody defends the Dish UI, they are at the very least a Dish apologist, and at worst a fanboy.
You may personally be willing to put up with the antiquated design. But, that does not mean that it isn't, in fact, antiquated.
Simply stated in a level-headed way.
You are fascinated with small, shiny objects, aren't you? Admit it. :D
GaryPen
You are fascinated with small, shiny objects, aren't you? Admit it. :D
Only if they are freshly minted coins.

FYI: I'm one of the few looking at this in a rational way. The UI is antiquated, simplistic, and in the case of streaming VOD, downright dysfunctional. That is a fact.

To defend the UI, or worse belittle one who points out its ugly and simplistic appearance, because the device does what you feel it needs to do would be like defending the appearance of the Pontiac Aztec, or belittling the critics of it, because it has a lot of cargo space, drives well, and is affordable. It's still butt ugly and unpleasant to look at.

If folks like the functionality and/or stability of the Dish 622/722/k DVR's, that's fine. But, don't belittle a person for pointing out the out-dated, and in some cases horrible, interface. Are you gonna belittle a guy that doesn't like a furnished apt because it's filled with granny furniture covered with doilies just because the stove works and the bed is sturdy?

Of course, those who admit to the UI's antiquated appearance and occasional dysfunctionality, but choose to overlook it due to other positive factors, without belittling the critics, are a different story.
cosmo_kramer
FYI: I'm one of the few looking at this in a rational way.
That struck me as funny, because I always saw this issue as an opinion, no one is right or wrong. What is wrong is saying that someone who doesn't place a lot of importance in it is irrational.

To defend the UI, or worse belittle one who points out its ugly and simplistic appearance, because the device does what you feel it needs to do would be like defending the appearance of the Pontiac Aztec, or belittling the critics of it, because it has a lot of cargo space, drives well, and is affordable. It's still butt ugly and unpleasant to look at.
As for the car analogy, you have options if you don't like the look of a car, or a television provider's UI: Switch to one that you like.
GaryPen
That struck me as funny, because I always saw this issue as an opinion, no one is right or wrong. What is wrong is saying that someone who doesn't place a lot of importance in it is irrational.
Correct. Which is why I say that to berate someone for complaining about it is akin to fanboyism.

As for the car analogy, you have options if you don't like the look of a car, or a television provider's UI: Switch to one that you like.
Not if you're stuck in a two-year contract.

Here is an auto analogy even more appropriate to the OP's issue:
Imagine signing a two-year lease on an Audi A4 Avant, but they deliver a VW Jetta Sportwagen.
Does the VW do everything the Audi can do? For the most part, yes.
Does the lessee have a right to be a little pissed? Damn straight.
Would someone that berates the lessee for complaining about the simpler and less attractive appearance of the VW appear to have some kind of emotional attachment to the VW brand? They sure would.
cosmo_kramer
Here is an auto analogy even more appropriate to the OP's issue:
Imagine signing a two-year lease on an Audi A4 Avant, but they deliver a VW Jetta Sportwagen.
Does the VW do everything the Audi can do? For the most part, yes.
Does the lessee have a right to be a little pissed? Damn straight.
Would someone that berates the lessee for complaining about the simpler and less attractive appearance of the VW appear to have some kind of emotional attachment to the VW brand? They sure would.
Terrible analogy.

If someone leases an Audi but is delivered and accepts a Jetta, shame on them for signing on the dotted line.
If someone signs up for service from a television provider, expects certain UI functionality, and doesn't get it, shame on them for signing on the dotted line. Don't get me wrong, I would like to see the OP get satisfaction since they were shown one thing and given another, but there are reasons why an adult is expected to be present at time of installation....
rapidturtle
Terrible analogy.

If someone leases an Audi but is delivered and accepts a Jetta, shame on them for signing on the dotted line.
If someone signs up for service from a television provider, expects certain UI functionality, and doesn't get it, shame on them for signing on the dotted line. Don't get me wrong, I would like to see the OP get satisfaction since they were shown one thing and given another, but there are reasons why an adult is expected to be present at time of installation....

Maybe the guy was at work, and the wife was home for the install.
Why is Dish showing potential customers a interface that they don't offer?
GaryPen
Maybe the guy was at work, and the wife was home for the install.
Why is Dish showing potential customers a interface that they don't offer?

I agree with this. DISH shouldn't be showing the 922 interface if it's not even being offered.

And why is the 922 still marketed on the Dish site?
3HaloODST
Apparent or not, you shouldn't expect people to read your mind. If you're going to be calling names, at the very least you should be clear about whom you are speaking of. Better yet just don't call names in a civil discussion.

That being said, I agree (again) that the 922 should be nowhere to be seen/heard of from DISH if they do not plan on offering it. Not a very good start for a customer when they see the 922 being advertised, only to be told that they can't have one.
GaryPen
Apparent or not, you shouldn't expect people to read your mind. If you're going to be calling names, at the very least you should be clear about whom you are speaking of. Better yet just don't call names in a civil discussion.
You mean names like "troll"? :rolleyes:

That being said, I agree (again) that the 922 should be nowhere to be seen/heard of from DISH if they do not plan on offering it. Not a very good start for a customer when they see the 922 being advertised, only to be told that they can't have one.
As of today, it's gone from the Dish website, and replaced with the "coming soon" page for the Hopper/Joey. I'm realy liking the changes that are taking place at Dish. (But, I'm still no, pardon my language, fanboy.)
gdarwin
And why is the 922 still marketed on the Dish site?

It's gone now.
dare2be
(But, I'm still no, pardon my language, fanboy.)
And no one else who posted in this thread is either, despite your repeated claims.
dishstaller
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Love this guy's channel. Looks like Walmart has thrown in the towel when it comes to conventional car batteries.

I bought a new AGM battery from Walmart about a year ago, it is already needing replacing. I thought about just buying a regular battery but from what I've read, that might not be a smart move. Might check my Forscan program and see if I can change the battery type from AGM.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awe7kY5nvdU
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harshness
When you need a battery, you need a battery.

If you can wait, new technologies are on the not-too-distant horizon.

You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.
Jimbo
The guy in the Video, REALLY needs to TAKE a Breath ...
If he'd Slow down, you could figure out What he's testing and on what. :(
harshness
If he'd Slow down, you could figure out What he's testing and on what.
You can't view his videos passively.

I appreciate this approach to videos that take an hour to deliver a fraction of the same data.

Now, if YouTube were required to flag the AI "reviews", that would really be something.
dishstaller
You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.
Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.


The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.
Jimbo
Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.


The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.
And the Walmart ones mostly had very little warranty.

My last AGM (using now) I got from O Rielly's, its the Super Start ... I got the Platnium, they had several to choose from.
TRG
TRG
Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.


The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.
I've been buying my batteries from AutoZone. I avoid Walmart whenever possible.
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I appreciate this approach to videos that take an hour to deliver a fraction of the same data.
That's the way I feel about it.
I hate those videos where they show themselves slowly opening up the box and unwrapping it.
His videos are probably the fastest pace test videos on Youtube.
T
He sounds like he's trying to sell me a pocket hose.

I just had to replace a car battery this week and thought I'd look into LiFePo4. Amazon has plenty of them, but all have top posts and only one 'also' has side connections (Group 75).Then I read that they're really lousy in the cold. So, an AGM, but again, almost nothing with side terminals instead of top. In researching that, I read that most mfrs in recent years have dropped side terminals and gone back to the old top posts, which is surprising to me since those are more corrosion-prone, cause the battery to need more space and are generally more hazardous. Finally I just threw up my hands and bought a regular lead-acid at Sam's Club. They had a Group 75 "Duracell" with side terminals only. It was virtually the only such battery with side posts on their shelves
arlo
Had a Die Hard in my folks cellar for over 6 years. Pulled it out, slapped it on a charger for a day. Put it in my 'Cuda and drove it around for a week of my vacation. Next year, the same. But my dad kept it topped off for me.It was a mid 80's battery in early 1990.

Flooded acid batteries like a float voltage of around 13.5-13.8 voltage.
AGM needs a float of 14.2 volts. So if you slap an AGM in where a flooded was. It never gets a full charge.
"Why do they die so fast?" Question answered. There are folks who sell voltage regulators for alternators that are designed to boost float voltage for AGM batteries.
The other way around? Flooded will gas-off a little at 14.2 volts. But seems to tolerate it pretty good.

Lithium car/bike/atv batteries. After 3 batteries in my Harley. The OEM flooded and two AGM's (before the 14.2 volt float requirement to let them live was learned). I bought a lithium for it. 4 year, no gripe warranty after having it tested by an approved store.
The thing started like Thor himself sent a bolt from the sky. Except......try to start it around freezing? Nope. Needed a heating pad.
And I usually like to park it around events in the evening with the parking light on. Looks cool like that.
We could traipse around for a few hours no worries. Hop on, fire it up, and go putt around.
Lithium? A Dakota Lithium at least. The BMS shuts it right down if it discharges below <something>.
Come back. Parking lights off. Won't start. And you know the rest. But it lasted 6 years. A lot better than 'new every two'. And the fact that powersports batteries are warranted for six, maybe nine months. Ludicrous.

I called Noco. Asked all of the right questions. Great warranty. Save some bucks ordering directly, faster service that the wally world alternative.
They addressed (or claimed over the phone) that the shut down was addressed. Sure. The BMS keeps it form being damaged. But if it is shut down because it does become low. Shut down any load (key on, parking or headlights left on) for 10-15 minutes and you get a second try to start your rig. Not a bad thing if it really works. Right?!

Exide, Interstate? Be very afraid. They ain't what they used to be. In Florida my '70 Cutlass had an Interstate (early 90') that lasted 6 years until it dropped its plates at an intersection and boiled over. In Florida, mind you. The last Interstate.....done in 2. Guys down there would suck out the acid and put water in shortly before the warranty ran out. Make it to the auto parts, get them tested. And get a new one pro rated. No more pro rating.
You can't beat an Odyssey. Napa, AC Deco (the better ones). Yup.
The mom and pop Car Quest only sells Die Hard. For a reason, the old man says. So they convinced that a Die HArd Platinum was the hot ticket for me. l will see. Stand by!

You can't cut Mr. Project Farm down. He does great tests of all sorts of things. Not sponsored and pressured to slap a little sugar on his comparisons and reviews. Compared to the Brits and Aussies with their constant overzealous and same sounding (Dave from EEVblog) rant. I like P-Farm a lot. Of course I like AvE (Boltr) too.
Reminds me to beware when wearing shorts around the garage vice.


Opinions may vary.
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I collect and play vinyl records regularly. A friend of mine told me about a record stash located inside an antique mall. So naturally I had to go go check it out.

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Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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This Diamond Ring - Gary Lewis And The Playboys
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Gondoliers, Shakespeares, Overseers, Playboys and Bums - Norman Greenbaum
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I Wish I Was Eighteen Again - George Burns
harshness
I Wish - Stevie Wonder
EatMyVolts
Lonesome Road -- The Wonder Who?
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Van
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Who says dinner or lunch has to be the only good meals of the day?

Honey butter grits with scrambled eggs and grilled boneless pork ribs on flakey biscuits washed down with cranberry juice.
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Speaking of waffles, I'm going to put my mini waffle iron on stove so I'll remember to make waffles in the morning... Had some last week, been awhile.
dfergie
Dos cackleberrys over easy on top of 2 corned beef hash patties fried in skillet... Chocolate milk.
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Cold morning today, only 32 degrees. Fired up the oven and made cinnamon rolls (from a tube) and a pot of coffee.
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2 egg burrito with bacon and a side of hashbrowns. Coffee.

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Breakfast Quesadillas. Grilled flour tortilla filled with scrambled eggs, hash browns, chopped green chile, cheddar & Jack cheese and bacon. Coffee.

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osu1991
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club

The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.


:eek


It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.
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meStevo

Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.

So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.​
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harshness
If it weren't for the sky-high electricity prices...

Of course, the real scare with Winter coming is the insane cost of heating oil.
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GM said its next-generation vehicle architecture will provide 40 times more computing power and 30 percent less wiring than before and will expand from the 2028 Cadillac Escalade IQ to its high-volume SUVs, trucks, crossovers, and fourth-generation EVs, which will be powered by lithium manganese-rich (LMR) prismatic batteries

Despite the politicization and perceived consumer pivot away from EVs in America, GM needs to remain globally competitive, so it's doubling down on its fourth generation EVs, with energy-dense, cheaper-to-manufacture LMR batteries, more efficient motors, and state-of-the-art centralized computing architecture. With a stated goal of cutting the traditional four- to five-year concept-to-production time in half, GM is clearly challenging the concept of "China speed," which in the Chinese automotive industry can be as quick as 18 months from design to start of production. In the AI space, GM is smartly collapsing all of its marque-specific apps under the familiar OnStar brand, while providing more features—both on the phone and in the car—than it ever has before.
harshness
Let's tell it like it is. GM's EV efforts are coming from SAIC. The brain trust is almost entirely in China, and GM is hanging off of SAIC's shirt tails.

It is a lot like asserting that the Corvette was designed by Chevrolet when most of it came from the Cadillac CTS-V.
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T

Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.

So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.​
That's how Ford did it- vertical integration. He even set up a rubber plantation in S. America
TheForce
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Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.
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TheForce
Heard a story from one of the Apple influencers on YT that the 18PM has a bug where it stops connecting to AT&T service. Doesn't affect Verizon or T-Mobile. Apple is replacing the phones. Anyone else hear of this? Defective Modem?
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Defective Modem?
It seems the phone gets locked into Sat mode. A software patch is coming to avoid that pitfall, but it comes too late for those who already fell in.

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comfortably_numb
Can't remember if I've posted this yet..


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfL5seXJyWU
Foxbat
If you ponied up for an iPhone Duo, keep it away from anything other than your soft, fleshy fingertips. No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter. And don't bend it more than it needs to. Zack has destroyed $2,000 of Apple hardware to get those views, which should cover his expenses.
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No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter

And definitely no medieval chain armor!
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medieval chain armor
Aka "mail" or "maille".
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Daisy Ridley to Star in New Take on 'Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea' at Paramount+

I'm not usually a fan of remakes but the description provided in the article does intrigue me.
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Jimbo
Daisy Ridley to Star in New Take on 'Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea' at Paramount+

I'm not usually a fan of remakes but the description provided in the article does intrigue me.
I use to watch that with my Dad back in the (60's ?) was that the 60's ?
K
I use to watch that with my Dad back in the (60's ?) was that the 60's ?
Mid 60's. I watched it too.
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TRG
I loved all the Irwin Allen productions.
R
Daisy Ridley to Star in New Take on 'Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea' at Paramount+

I'm not usually a fan of remakes but the description provided in the article does intrigue me.
When?
Foxbat
Mid 60's. I watched it too.
I had built models of the Seaview and the Flying Sub as a kid.
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KAB
I loved all the Irwin Allen productions.
I thought Voyage was decent (for the first two seasons). The rest, not so much. All other shows were pretty lame, IMO. Especially Land of the Giants.
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Daisy Ridley to Star in New Take on 'Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea' at Paramount+

I'm not usually a fan of remakes but the description provided in the article does intrigue me.
Barbara Even, LOL (cast of original film from article).
harshness
I remember hiding behind the couch from the many sea monsters.
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