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DTV is upgrading me to Genie/WH. can anyone tell me what to expect for my install/upgrade coming up and if there are important choices to make, esp regarding the (new) internet connection, existing OTA set-up, and geniego?
I currently have two HR-24/500s and one HR-24/200. all have AM21s. All are standalone/no whole home. standard two-wire install, 6x8 multi-switch outside (mounted on the side of the house). Slimline 5. The OTA signal is split three ways to feed each of the AM 21s directly.
DTV is installing whole home, replacing one of the 24s with whatever Genie they have, and connecting the system to my network, which consists of a 20mb/s DSL modem plus a Netgear wireless router. here are my questions;
1. will the genie play well with the AM21s or will I have to give up the AM21 on that room? the AM21s bring in a couple of local channels that are otherwise not available.
2. I realize the 24/500 and 24/200 are functionally the same box from different mfg. but which one would you give up (the 200 or one of the 500s) for the Genie?
3. The internet connection puzzles me -- old school says to have them run coax to the location of my network equipment, and plug a powered DECA into an unused port on my wireless router. Is that still the better approach? I'm hearing of new Genie boxes with integrated WiFi, outboard WiFi radios (CCK), and that installers are loathe to run new wire, preferring the wireless install instead. Conversely, I am old school and loathe to rely on a wireless radio or a DTV receiver as a single point of failure. Thus, the coax/powered DECA still seems like a much better "single point of failure" to me. On that note, the genie itself will be in a room closest to my router - will the coax run from genie to the router, or from switch to router?
4. If I go with the wired DECA integration to my DSL network, can this be disconnected without disrupting WH operation?
5. I assume GenieGo's connection is coax, and thus it lives on the DTV network, correct? or is it Wireless? I ask because I don't want streaming traffic going across my router. I guess if I am outside of my home network and want to stream, then GenieGo has to stream across my router, and in this case, streaming rate depends on upload speed, not download speed, of my DSL system right?
6. a genie and two DVRs means 9 tuners (nice), which I assume means a SWM 16 switch. where will DTV install this (inside or outside) and what will become of the two coax cables that are now routed to each room from the existing 6x8 switch? whats behind my question is that if the single wire coax bandwidth is limited to 8 channels, then the implication is that more than one coax line has to go to each room? I'd really like to see a diagram of a 9 tuner setup -- from dish to switch to receivers to internet. anyone have such a thing?
I currently have two HR-24/500s and one HR-24/200. all have AM21s. All are standalone/no whole home. standard two-wire install, 6x8 multi-switch outside (mounted on the side of the house). Slimline 5. The OTA signal is split three ways to feed each of the AM 21s directly.
DTV is installing whole home, replacing one of the 24s with whatever Genie they have, and connecting the system to my network, which consists of a 20mb/s DSL modem plus a Netgear wireless router. here are my questions;
1. will the genie play well with the AM21s or will I have to give up the AM21 on that room? the AM21s bring in a couple of local channels that are otherwise not available.
2. I realize the 24/500 and 24/200 are functionally the same box from different mfg. but which one would you give up (the 200 or one of the 500s) for the Genie?
3. The internet connection puzzles me -- old school says to have them run coax to the location of my network equipment, and plug a powered DECA into an unused port on my wireless router. Is that still the better approach? I'm hearing of new Genie boxes with integrated WiFi, outboard WiFi radios (CCK), and that installers are loathe to run new wire, preferring the wireless install instead. Conversely, I am old school and loathe to rely on a wireless radio or a DTV receiver as a single point of failure. Thus, the coax/powered DECA still seems like a much better "single point of failure" to me. On that note, the genie itself will be in a room closest to my router - will the coax run from genie to the router, or from switch to router?
4. If I go with the wired DECA integration to my DSL network, can this be disconnected without disrupting WH operation?
5. I assume GenieGo's connection is coax, and thus it lives on the DTV network, correct? or is it Wireless? I ask because I don't want streaming traffic going across my router. I guess if I am outside of my home network and want to stream, then GenieGo has to stream across my router, and in this case, streaming rate depends on upload speed, not download speed, of my DSL system right?
6. a genie and two DVRs means 9 tuners (nice), which I assume means a SWM 16 switch. where will DTV install this (inside or outside) and what will become of the two coax cables that are now routed to each room from the existing 6x8 switch? whats behind my question is that if the single wire coax bandwidth is limited to 8 channels, then the implication is that more than one coax line has to go to each room? I'd really like to see a diagram of a 9 tuner setup -- from dish to switch to receivers to internet. anyone have such a thing?
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Holy cow dlleno, you have been here over five years and this is your first post? 
Well then, 
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thanks! yes I've spent a lot of time searching and reading over the last five years, and very little posting
. my bad -- I should have introduced myself first lol.
Holy cow dlleno, you have been here over five years and this is your first post?
thanks! yes I've spent a lot of time searching and reading over the last five years, and very little posting
. my bad -- I should have introduced myself first lol.
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yes. good catch in fact that was their first offer to me (replace all HR24s with a genie and two clients). then I called up CR (retention) and got it straightened out. so yes, final config will be 1 genie, 2 HR-24s, and yes a swm16 is on the order I did check that.
no worries; rant understood! my motivation here is to confirm that WH will work if the internet goes down for whatever reason, i.e. I change cables, DSL service is interrupted, I change ISPs, power goes out for an afternoon or longer, etc. I have no intention of disconnecting the internet connection -- after all I will have GenieGo hooked up too.
ok yes I confirmed that my GenieGo is being drop shipped. so GenieGo not live on the DTV RG6 network at all it lives on the eithernet portion. This means GenieGo and DECA should be plugged into separate ports on the same router, correct?
ah thanks now it makes sense. it looks like the 4way has to go out on the wall beside the sw16. So would this config work:
1. room 1: Genie via RG6#1 --> swm16 (swm1). DECA via RG6#2 --> 4way --> swm 16 (swm2)
2. room 2: HR-24 via RG#1 -->4way--> swm16 (swm2). power inserter via RG6#2 -->swm16 power
3. room 3: HR-24 via RG6#1 -->4way -->swm16 (swm2). RG6#2 unused.
primary motivations for the above are:
1. I'm already long on RG6 runs. my dish to switch is already close to 90 feet, and the furthest receiver is another 40. In order to get to the router I have to run yet another 40 feet from room 1. wouldn't it be best for such a run to be CAT5 instead of RG6?
2. The install would be much easier without running any additional RG6. question though: for the install I will have to run a CAT5 cable from router on the floor to room 1 where the DECA will be. is the installer likely to trust me that I will put permanent CAT5 cable through the attic, at a later date, to replace the temporary cable used for system test/setup?
yes. good catch in fact that was their first offer to me (replace all HR24s with a genie and two clients). then I called up CR (retention) and got it straightened out. so yes, final config will be 1 genie, 2 HR-24s, and yes a swm16 is on the order I did check that.
good. so the only issue for me will be what to do with that extra power cord permanently attached to the AM21 that used to supply power to the receiver to which it was married. I guess that cord just becomes a safety hazard, as its live.
good/thanks -- I've also read elsewhere that the 500s are more prone to issues streaming content via GenieGo, so I'll give up one of my 500s.
good to know. since my existing install is std two-wire dual tuner configs in three rooms, why not put the DECA in one of the rooms and run CAT5 from DECA to router? The RG6 is already there, so the install will be easy -- the only issue could be that a permanent CAT5 cable won't be there -- I'll have to string that up into the attic and back down to the router. for what its worth I have a Monday install
no worries; rant understood! my motivation here is to confirm that WH will work if the internet goes down for whatever reason, i.e. I change cables, DSL service is interrupted, I change ISPs, power goes out for an afternoon or longer, etc. I have no intention of disconnecting the internet connection -- after all I will have GenieGo hooked up too.
ok yes I confirmed that my GenieGo is being drop shipped. so GenieGo not live on the DTV RG6 network at all it lives on the eithernet portion. This means GenieGo and DECA should be plugged into separate ports on the same router, correct?
ah thanks now it makes sense. it looks like the 4way has to go out on the wall beside the sw16. So would this config work:
1. room 1: Genie via RG6#1 --> swm16 (swm1). DECA via RG6#2 --> 4way --> swm 16 (swm2)
2. room 2: HR-24 via RG#1 -->4way--> swm16 (swm2). power inserter via RG6#2 -->swm16 power
3. room 3: HR-24 via RG6#1 -->4way -->swm16 (swm2). RG6#2 unused.
primary motivations for the above are:
1. I'm already long on RG6 runs. my dish to switch is already close to 90 feet, and the furthest receiver is another 40. In order to get to the router I have to run yet another 40 feet from room 1. wouldn't it be best for such a run to be CAT5 instead of RG6?
2. The install would be much easier without running any additional RG6. question though: for the install I will have to run a CAT5 cable from router on the floor to room 1 where the DECA will be. is the installer likely to trust me that I will put permanent CAT5 cable through the attic, at a later date, to replace the temporary cable used for system test/setup?
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For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.
They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.
Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.
On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.
It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.
I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.
Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.
On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.
It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.
I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.
At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade..
. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
You should have looked in the APP STORE instead.
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Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.
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Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.
You have a different offer that is free for a shorter timeframe which is different than the one that I and bnewt saw without defining the promotion period as I sent the question to DISH Care via Facebook Messenger and this is the response I got back 20 minutes ago.
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