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Last reply · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion
Has there ever been any serious discussion here about the pros and cons of buying a typical standalone receiver vs. running a satellite backend system using DVB-S2 tuner cards or USB-connected tuners? I'll start a list:

Standalone receivers:

PROS:
  • Not as expensive as a computer and tuners
  • No additional frontend systems required - you directly connect your HDTV
  • Generally easier to set up and configure
  • In some cases additional features such as blind scanning are included and are much easier to use
CONS:
  • Virtually every receiver out there has bugs in the software that cannot be fixed by the user
  • Users have no say over the software/firmware, you take what the manufacturer gives you (with rare exceptions)
  • Even if firmware updates are made available, those typically end once newer models are released, or after some finite period of time
  • Live programs and recordings can only be viewed on the TV connected to the receiver - typically there is no provision to stream to other devices on a local network (again with rare exceptions)
  • Few receivers will play 4:2:2 and other very high-bandwidth signals
  • As new formats appear it makes the receiver obsolete, so you may need to buy a new receiver to get all the channels even if your old one works perfectly fine. Even today many receivers will not receive all the available signals (DVB-S2 8PSK or 16PSK).
  • No EPG in North America
  • Far too many receivers do not have accurate clocks, which is a real problem if you are trying to use their PVR features - assuming they even have PVR capability in the first place
  • Many receivers have a nasty habit of simply locking up or otherwise going "out to lunch" at inopportune times
  • (This will be controversial but I will say it anyway) Once you buy a receiver, if you have problems you have to deal with they guy you bought it from. Some dealers are very good, and then there are others that seem to have Jekyll/Hyde personalities, and guess which shows up after they have your money?
Satellite backend systems:

PROS:
  • You can stream the received signals and recordings to frontend systems (and in some cases, directly to computers/tablets/phones) anywhere on your local network
  • If you encounter bugs it it somewhat more likely that the software developers will fix them - eventually.
  • You can have multiple tuners. I've heard apocryphal stories of people having sixteen tuners (four quad tuner cards) in a single system, though the most I've seen personally is six
  • Each tuner can record multiple channels from the same transport stream at the same time, so depending on the throughput limits of the hardware you could be recording from several sources at once
  • If you are really good with hardware and software you can fix your own bugs, or even design your own backend system from the ground up
  • If new formats become available you may only need to buy a new card that support the new formats, not scrap the entire system
  • Generally speaking, the backend will stream or record any unencrypted (in the clear) signal that the card can receive, including bandwidth-intensive formats. If the frontend device has good enough hardware to play it, you can watch it - or after it's recorded, you can use an external program to convert it to a different format that is a bit less resource hungry
  • The computer gets its time from an Internet time source (NTP server) so its clock is always right
  • Much rarer for such a system to totally lock up or stop working, though it's not unheard of. But if that happens and it's not a hardware issue, it can probably be fixed by changing or upgrading software
  • Although it's not an easy thing to set up, it's possible to actually have an EPG that shows what's coming up, though probably not for every channel you can receive
CONS:
  • Typically quite a bit more expensive than a standalone receiver, though this could change
  • These systems can be much more difficult to set up and configure than a standalone receiver
  • If it stops working or doesn't work properly, it's up to you to figure out what the problem is and fix it. For better or worse, you can't dump the problem in the lap of a dealer
  • To play content on a TV you generally need to connect a computer or device running frontend software, which in many cases could be XBMC with an appropriate PVR addon. That also implies that you can stream directly to a computer, tablet, phone, or other device that can run XBMC or other frontend software
  • There is generally no compression of the signal, therefore any recordings made can be huge, depending on the source
  • Those familiar with Windows can use MediaPortal as the backend software but you may encounter a lot of bugs, particularly if you attempt to use DiSEqC or tone switches
  • Those more familiar with Linux can use TVHeadEnd as the backend software, although you have to use the newest unstable versions to get the best hardware support. Which of course means that things might break if/when you upgrade. TVHeadEnd is also a bit non-intuitive until you get the hang of it
  • If you have problems setting up such a system it is often difficult to get assistance. Linux guys in particular seem to have this attitude that you should learn all about Linux and fix your own problems, even though that's not entirely a realistic attitude in these days of user-friendly distributions such as Ubuntu. The attitude toward users in the Linux world is totally different from that in the Windows world
  • Under Linux you may need to manually compile the drivers for your tuner card(s), which although not exceedingly difficult, can be a somewhat daunting task for new Linux users. And worse yet, every time Linux pushes out a new kernel upgrade, which they do rather frequently, and you install it, you may need to recompile the drivers again
  • There are other software choices on both platforms but as far as I can tell none of them have the degree of support or the number of users as the ones I have mentioned above
  • Sometimes the software is designed for free-to-air in other parts of the world and needs adjustments to work in the USA. This is one of the major problems with MediaPortal, which is very Euro-centric
  • If it is possible to do blind scanning at all you will probably need to install a separate program, and even then you may have problems if the software was designed to operate in an environment different than yours, such as a specific custom Linux build. And such software will not automatically map the found channels into your backend program
  • Most of the instructions that are out there for building such system suck, IMHO. They were apparently written by programmers and tend to be way too heavy on the mundane technical details, and light on the questions first-time users are most concerned with, such as "What do I need to do to get this thing to work?"
  • While you can use multiple tuner cards, there may be limitations on the type or number of tuner cards that can be used, that are imposed by the software and/or operating system. For example, in Windows you may not be able to use two or more of the same model card because the Windows drivers won't support it, though that may depend on the brand of card used
  • Just as receiver manufacturers stop supporting older receiver models, tuner manufacturers may stop issuing driver updates for older cards - or sometimes even for current cards that are still being sold. This could be a potential problem if you ever update your operating system
  • Some backend software that works great with OTA tuners (such as the HDHomeRun) may not work very well, or at all, with satellite tuners
Some of the above is from personal experience and some is deduced from threads I have read in various satellite forums. In the end, I think most people who have more than one TV in their home, or that would like to record more than one program at the same time, would be a lot happier with the satellite backend system provided they can get it to work without it becoming the bane of their existence. Sadly, at the present time there are no turnkey backend systems that "just work" with satellite TV tuners, unless perhaps you are looking at a dedicated device such as one of the ones TBS manufactures, and I think even those require configuration of the backend software by the user.

If you think I am wrong about any of the above points or want to add your own, that's the reason I started this thread. I may not have much to add to the above but I would be interested to see what others think.
Which do you prefer to use to receive Free-To-Air satellite TV?
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updatelee
Here is some screenshots of why I love PC tuners. I have 16 tuners in my PC btw.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7PjDRC3SaJxbnZxR2Y4VTlEWXM&authuser=0
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7PjDRC3SaJxYVZDdERKLUNMV0U&authuser=0

This is in Linux using my software, updateDVB, its 100% opensource. You can see in the background a spectrum scan, this helps you find tp much faster than blindscan (which updateDVB supports as well). Once tuned it analyzes the signal and parses everything so you can see it. It even looks for PIDS that arent assigned to anything, like in the second picture. Its a SD feed that isnt in the PMT/PAT or anywhere else. A STB will miss this every single time. every STB will.

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FTA4PA
I won't get rid of my STB for regular viewing but I'm definitely wanting to look at a card for my computer.
fred555
My interest in tuner cards was peeked a while back. This post reignited my interest. On Rick's site there is a section about using tuner cards to receive IP streams from satellites, "IPTV streams" section I believe its called. The problem is there is no explanation for newbies on his site that I can find.

Does anyone know where I can find a good write up about receiving satellite IP streams for dummies?

Is there a single card to receive both IP and DVB?
Cham
I think as long as the card is capable of receiving that particular modulation (qpsk, 8psk, 16psk, etc) the rest is in the software, IP or the various flavours of DVB.
With 4K H265 coming, not sure how long it will be before STBs have this capability. The only thing I am worried about is spending $300 on a card and they decide to add another modulation format that is not compatable with current cards/STBs. Then again, this hobby is ever changing and by the time we see something like that it will be time for another upgrade anyway. :)
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jmc98
Not planning to get rid of my amiko mini hd se but will add a new tuner card to my next pc build next year
ancient
Here is some screenshots of why I love PC tuners. I have 16 tuners in my PC btw.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7PjDRC3SaJxbnZxR2Y4VTlEWXM&authuser=0
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7PjDRC3SaJxYVZDdERKLUNMV0U&authuser=0

This is in Linux using my software, updateDVB, its 100% opensource. You can see in the background a spectrum scan, this helps you find tp much faster than blindscan (which updateDVB supports as well). Once tuned it analyzes the signal and parses everything so you can see it. It even looks for PIDS that arent assigned to anything, like in the second picture. Its a SD feed that isnt in the PMT/PAT or anywhere else. A STB will miss this every single time. every STB will.

UDL

I'm curious, what distributions of Linux will your updateDVB program run on? And is it in any of the distribution repositories, or do you install it from a DEB or RPM file or something like that, or how do you get it on your system?

I wish someone would create a specialized Linux distro just for satellite tuner users that installs from an ISO file that has been burned to a CD ROM or thumb drive, that would contain this type of software plus backend software such as TVHeadEnd, so that it would be easier to get these systems up and running. I know you can install TVHeadEnd on several different Linux distributions without too much difficulty, but none of them that I'm aware of come with any type of blindscan software such as this, and if you don't know much about Linux it seems like it would be pretty difficult to create a system with these packages from scratch.
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· posted in FTA Manuals Section
Looking for a manual. Want to do some radio astronomy with it. Realize it's old but, since it's not for tv use don't need any decoders, just the RF section.
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Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center
Due to security concerns and the fact that the Tapatalk Plugin for Xenforo is no longer being updated we have removed Tapatalk support from SatelliteGuys.

For those who were using it we recommend using our PWA App instead which is faster and does not have all the spam Tapatalk had. Below is a graphic showing how to add SatelliteGuys to your devices home screen. (While iOS is shown the process is mostly the same for Android.)

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Thanks for your understanding. :)
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Foxbat
Thank you, Scott, for adding years to my Life and dropping my BP a few millimeters! Money well spent…
dweber
Thank you, Scott, for adding years to my Life and dropping my BP a few millimeters! Money well spent…
What is PWA app? PWA utilities seem to be a Spanish app. I hope you are seeing this since nothing seems to be working. I will miss SatelliteGuys. Tapatalk worked well. The Siri browser doesn't seem to work well.
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Peter Parker
Thank you, Scott, for adding years to my Life and dropping my BP a few millimeters! Money well spent…
Hooray!
Peter Parker
What is PWA app? PWA utilities seem to be a Spanish app. I hope you are seeing this since nothing seems to be working. I will miss SatelliteGuys. Tapatalk worked well. The Siri browser doesn't seem to work well.
Do you mean the safari browser?
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Foxbat
What is PWA app? PWA utilities seem to be a Spanish app. I hope you are seeing this since nothing seems to be working. I will miss SatelliteGuys. Tapatalk worked well. The Siri browser doesn't seem to work well.
Actually, PWA stands for "Progressive Web Application" and is basically just saving a site's homepage to your desktop where it appears as an "App" with the rest of your smartphone's Apps.
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Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Haven't Got Time For The PAIN-Carly Simon
N5XZS
Last reply · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info
New low power station has been granted by the FCC and the new call leter is K33OB-D on RF ch. 33.

Will run at 15 KW ERP, this one runs from the Westside same location as KWPL-LD a HC2 owned station.

It's going to be aimed at eastern part of Albuquerque, so it's tightly focused beam pattern.

This new station is owned by Digital Network and what kind of programmings is unkown at this time.😎
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M
This new station is owned by Digital Network and what kind of programmings is unkown at this time
probably the same programming they have been putting on their other owned stations.
The 'get after it media' stations
Like Heartland, Retro, rev'n, Action etc
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comfortably_numb
probably the same programming they have been putting on their other owned stations.
The 'get after it media' stations
Like Heartland, Retro, rev'n, Action etc

We already have those diginets here.
N5XZS
Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets on like the Rev'n, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station. :hatsoff2
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comfortably_numb
Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets like Revn, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station. :hatsoff2

I watch MovieSphere Gold channel a lot. Many recent movies on that digitnet :)
N5XZS
Yes that's a good channel MovieSphere, only thing is the missing CC on it. :rolleyes: :hatsoff2
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According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

BlackHitachi
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in Movie Talk
Since the Reds have there thread we should too!

Last watched Nine inch Nails
Next 3:10 to Yuma
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osu1991
Rooster Cogburn.

Keep forgetting the free movies on youtube are ad free with my premium subscription.
dfergie
Rooster Cogburn.

Keep forgetting the free movies on youtube are ad free with my premium subscription.
There are some really good movies on youtube.
Saving Private Ryan 4k, Dolby Atmos...
harshness
Saving Private Ryan 4k, Dolby Atmos...
These are severely limited. Getting better than stereo audio is improving, but still has a long way to go.
dfergie
These are severely limited. Getting better than stereo audio is improving, but still has a long way to go.
I went with my 4k disc after checking out that version.
osu1991

View: https://youtu.be/I68627xyDPA?is=gUZB0Yv_08pE0DR3


Tonight revisiting one of my favorites. Ranks up there with Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark and Hunt For Red October.
dfergie
Watching Monterey Pop, been awhile, had the DVD, but probably lost in the fire 10.5 years ago. HBOmax
Peter Parker
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Last reply · posted in Computers and Gadgets
I have had good experiences with Brave but lately I am frustrated with it.

Now when I launch the app it shows a box at the bottom asking if I want to go back to the last opened page. It is in conveniently located and I would prefer to eliminate it.

Does anyone know how to do this?

Please let's not sidetrack the discussion into an exploration of why I don't care for it or a lecture about all the wonderful aspects of the feature. I just do not care for it.
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b4pjoe
I don't have an Android phone so I don't know if this will apply to the Brave settings on your android device but it works on the desktop for me.

Change this setting to either startup to a different website or a new tab page. I have mine set to open to google.com instead of where I left off and it doesn't ask me at the next startup if I want to open the last opened page unless it crashed.

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Peter Parker
I don't have an Android phone so I don't know if this will apply to the Brave settings on your android device but it works on the desktop for me.

Change this setting to either startup to a different website or a new tab page. I have mine set to open to google.com instead of where I left off and it doesn't ask me at the next startup if I want to open the last opened page unless it crashed.

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Thank you for trying to help. However thrse choices do not appear in Android. There is a setting for "New Tab Pages" that is similar but does not include your choice. I have tried all of the existing entries with no success
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Hello everyone.

I am new here and I done a search on MLB Extra Innings and DISH and it led me to this forum and so I signed up and hopefully someone can help me out with some issues.

First off, I am a DISH Outdoors customer and I signed up for service back in late October of 2025. I have a Wally HD Receiver and I am using the DISH Playmaker OS 2.1 as my Antenna that operates on 110 and 119 Western Arc and Alternative 61.5, 110, and 119 satellites. I signed up for MLB Extra Innings back in March before the season began. I was excited to be able to watch MLB Extra Innings because I love baseball and I use to have MLB Extra Innings on Satellite DIRECTV back in 2001-2004 and on Satellite DISH back in 2016 and 2017.

I was a bit disappointed when I found out that it is actually MLB.TV Simulcasted to DISH Satellite (More on that later) Anyways I have been watching faithfully almost every night however about a week ago there was a problem. When I went to go to the game to watch a game the game wouldn't come in an I would send a refresh signal to my receiver and then I could watch the programming and when I went to switch games at that games appointed time slot my Wally HD Receiver who lockup where I couldn't change any channels or view the guide and it would reboot. The next night when I turned to a game at game start it still had the background it shows before the game started and again send a refresh signal and went though this same thing over and over. I added a movie channel to my lineup and had issues with showing up my Dish Wally HD Receiver.

With an investigation after several calls with DISH Support it was determined that by going to the diagnostics screen that I had a issue with my Tuner because any changes that I made to my programming these changes would not take affect on the Wally HD Receiver. In other words that Wally HD Receiver was toast!

I too had reported MLB Extra Innings issue to DISH and they created a ticket for it and said that someone would investigate the issue. I too took notice that under MyDISH account under MLB Extra Innings always before it would show that I was subscribed and on auto-renew. Now it shows nothing and even after logging out and deleting my User Name and Password so that I can see it in guest mode it too doesn't even list a price and option for purchase as does the now WNBA League Pass.

After my DISH Receiver was ruined I had to buy a new Wally HD Receiver. I took advantage an bought 2 HD Wally's and added them both to my account. I called back to remove the old box off of the account and was told it was linked to MLB Extra Innings and the advanced technical support team said there was a glitch with MLB Extra Innings and hope to have a resolution in a couple of days and I could call back in to then to remove the box. But both the 2 new Wally HD Receivers are activated on my account. I asked them what the problem was with MLB Extra Innings and how long it would be and I was told there was a glitch as I asked to specify what they meant and got no answer. I again went and checked the MyDISH account page under the MLB Extra Innings page and it still doesn't list me as subscribed and after logging out and deleting my User Name and Password so I could it see it as a guest mode and it still doesn't list the price and option for purchase as it does for the WNBA League Pass.

I am afraid to boot up these boxes and go through the activation screen process because of the issues with the MLB Extra Innings in fear it will do the same or mess up my boxes from being able to receive MLB Extra Inning because or any other programing because I was told that MLB Extra Innings wouldn't come in on those new box because it was activated with the Wally that is ruined and it needs removed first.

Now I have no DISH service going on a week and miss my MLB Extra Innings when the races are just heating up and now with two boxes activated I can't boot up because I am afraid it will mess them up and I will be out the $180.00 or so dollars I made in purchase on the receivers.

Is anyone else experiencing issues with their MLB Extra Innings and does anyone really know what this so called glitch actually is? I can't seem to get a clear answer from anybody and don't even know if it will even be fixed or anyone really understands it.

Now to my previous statement on how I was disappointed that MLB Extra Innings is actually MLB.TV in simulcast. When I had MLB Extra Innings before with DIRECTV in 2001-2004 and with DISH form 2016 and 2017. They would always show the commercials for every teams broadcast from their local market and all games would be authentic just as if you were watching in their home market. After I quit DISH I went to streaming for awhile and I done MLB.TV and I hated their features because of the no commercials, the delayed times of getting back after the commercial break, and not being able to listen to what studios had to say when they would cut into the studios, and always looking at the screen during commercial breaks with a screen that says commercial break in progress and a silhouette background of MLB Players doing baseball things and the their crazy commercial breaks sound. I was excited to go back to DISH thinking I escaped the horrors of MLB.TV. Well its actually the same thing. I compared them side by side and actually MLB.TV is ahead by just a few seconds. So actually MLB Extra Innings on Satellite is delayed from time period wise from actually watching MLB.TV which shows it is simulcasted. My question is when did this start? And is this legal? This isn't what I know MLB Extra Innings to be. I too had signed up for NHL Center Ice this past winter and thank goodness its authentic! They still have the commercials and its like watching it as you were in their home network and its the way it oughta be even if you only do get one feed of NHL Center Ice per team on DISH and don't know which feed it is every night.

Looking forward to your responses. So far happy with DISH but unhappy with this last week and the ruining of a Wally HD Receiver.

I hope I can be of some contribution here as well.

Sincerely,

RJ T.
From Illinois
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zippyfrog
I know they are doing some major satellite work - the second satellite at 110 which is now in use, and they are moving channels between 119 and 110. Maybe since there are no other sports going on, have they temporarily cut back on the out of market sports packages? I am not sure. It looks like those channels are all coming from 119 TP 13, 110 TP 12, and 110 TP 09.

Also, Dish's Scheduled Satellite Maintenance page doesn't have anything going on:

R
I know they are doing some major satellite work - the second satellite at 110 which is now in use, and they are moving channels between 119 and 110. Maybe since there are no other sports going on, have they temporarily cut back on the out of market sports packages? I am not sure. It looks like those channels are all coming from 119 TP 13, 110 TP 12, and 110 TP 09.

Also, Dish's Scheduled Satellite Maintenance page doesn't have anything going on:

Trying to get use to this forum and where everything is located at. I saw you responded from my post on the changes and took me a while to get back to see this post. But yes, it is exactly what I was thinking. I too noticed the change of MLB Extra Innings from 110 to 119. Because of 30 teams they have to algin everything. Only other sport going on PPV wise is WNBA League Pass and I do not have a subscription to that but maybe some else who has it can confirm what they done and what satellite and transponders they are on.

This is a big shift for DISH. I just hope if Charlie Ergen does ever sell out to anyone that I can continue to use my DISH Playmaker and I can keep my Wally's. If its anything like what happened to DIRECTV a few years back which turned out to be a total disaster when AT&T acquired DIRECTV nothing there changed with boxes or anything and you continued to use the same service but I was very surprised to see AT&T sell it to TPG especially after they had just bought it now long ago.

RJ T.
From Illinois
R
Hello everyone.

I am new here and I done a search on MLB Extra Innings and DISH and it led me to this forum and so I signed up and hopefully someone can help me out with some issues.

First off, I am a DISH Outdoors customer and I signed up for service back in late October of 2025. I have a Wally HD Receiver and I am using the DISH Playmaker OS 2.1 as my Antenna that operates on 110 and 119 Western Arc and Alternative 61.5, 110, and 119 satellites. I signed up for MLB Extra Innings back in March before the season began. I was excited to be able to watch MLB Extra Innings because I love baseball and I use to have MLB Extra Innings on Satellite DIRECTV back in 2001-2004 and on Satellite DISH back in 2016 and 2017.

I was a bit disappointed when I found out that it is actually MLB.TV Simulcasted to DISH Satellite (More on that later) Anyways I have been watching faithfully almost every night however about a week ago there was a problem. When I went to go to the game to watch a game the game wouldn't come in an I would send a refresh signal to my receiver and then I could watch the programming and when I went to switch games at that games appointed time slot my Wally HD Receiver who lockup where I couldn't change any channels or view the guide and it would reboot. The next night when I turned to a game at game start it still had the background it shows before the game started and again send a refresh signal and went though this same thing over and over. I added a movie channel to my lineup and had issues with showing up my Dish Wally HD Receiver.

With an investigation after several calls with DISH Support it was determined that by going to the diagnostics screen that I had a issue with my Tuner because any changes that I made to my programming these changes would not take affect on the Wally HD Receiver. In other words that Wally HD Receiver was toast!

I too had reported MLB Extra Innings issue to DISH and they created a ticket for it and said that someone would investigate the issue. I too took notice that under MyDISH account under MLB Extra Innings always before it would show that I was subscribed and on auto-renew. Now it shows nothing and even after logging out and deleting my User Name and Password so that I can see it in guest mode it too doesn't even list a price and option for purchase as does the now WNBA League Pass.

After my DISH Receiver was ruined I had to buy a new Wally HD Receiver. I took advantage an bought 2 HD Wally's and added them both to my account. I called back to remove the old box off of the account and was told it was linked to MLB Extra Innings and the advanced technical support team said there was a glitch with MLB Extra Innings and hope to have a resolution in a couple of days and I could call back in to then to remove the box. But both the 2 new Wally HD Receivers are activated on my account. I asked them what the problem was with MLB Extra Innings and how long it would be and I was told there was a glitch as I asked to specify what they meant and got no answer. I again went and checked the MyDISH account page under the MLB Extra Innings page and it still doesn't list me as subscribed and after logging out and deleting my User Name and Password so I could it see it as a guest mode and it still doesn't list the price and option for purchase as it does for the WNBA League Pass.

I am afraid to boot up these boxes and go through the activation screen process because of the issues with the MLB Extra Innings in fear it will do the same or mess up my boxes from being able to receive MLB Extra Inning because or any other programing because I was told that MLB Extra Innings wouldn't come in on those new box because it was activated with the Wally that is ruined and it needs removed first.

Now I have no DISH service going on a week and miss my MLB Extra Innings when the races are just heating up and now with two boxes activated I can't boot up because I am afraid it will mess them up and I will be out the $180.00 or so dollars I made in purchase on the receivers.

Is anyone else experiencing issues with their MLB Extra Innings and does anyone really know what this so called glitch actually is? I can't seem to get a clear answer from anybody and don't even know if it will even be fixed or anyone really understands it.

Now to my previous statement on how I was disappointed that MLB Extra Innings is actually MLB.TV in simulcast. When I had MLB Extra Innings before with DIRECTV in 2001-2004 and with DISH form 2016 and 2017. They would always show the commercials for every teams broadcast from their local market and all games would be authentic just as if you were watching in their home market. After I quit DISH I went to streaming for awhile and I done MLB.TV and I hated their features because of the no commercials, the delayed times of getting back after the commercial break, and not being able to listen to what studios had to say when they would cut into the studios, and always looking at the screen during commercial breaks with a screen that says commercial break in progress and a silhouette background of MLB Players doing baseball things and the their crazy commercial breaks sound. I was excited to go back to DISH thinking I escaped the horrors of MLB.TV. Well its actually the same thing. I compared them side by side and actually MLB.TV is ahead by just a few seconds. So actually MLB Extra Innings on Satellite is delayed from time period wise from actually watching MLB.TV which shows it is simulcasted. My question is when did this start? And is this legal? This isn't what I know MLB Extra Innings to be. I too had signed up for NHL Center Ice this past winter and thank goodness its authentic! They still have the commercials and its like watching it as you were in their home network and its the way it oughta be even if you only do get one feed of NHL Center Ice per team on DISH and don't know which feed it is every night.

Looking forward to your responses. So far happy with DISH but unhappy with this last week and the ruining of a Wally HD Receiver.

I hope I can be of some contribution here as well.

Sincerely,

RJ T.
From Illinois
Update on MLB Extra Innings as of 5:50 P.M. CDT June 10, 2026...

I am getting tired of not being able to watch any baseball games and having paid for MLB Extra Innings and not knowing what the reason is I called dish back at 1-800-333-3474. I guess after all of my calls my call was routed to the Advanced Technical Support Team. I had something happen that I never knew they could do and they gained access into my Wally Receiver. I was told settings look good and right now on the only channel that shows is the MLB1 Baltimore Orioles Channel. They are playing the at home against the Seattle Mariners right now. She was able to access to that channel which prompted a purchase a Rent option. That signaled a red flag to her right away. She escalated a ticket with photographs and info from my screen to the top tier advanced programing technical department and told me they received the ticket and are reviewing it now. They got back to her and said they would have information within 30 minutes. I either get the channels within 30 minutes or I am to call back and they will advance from there. Seems like maybe my persistence is paying off. I will keep you informed. Maybe we can all have a resolution to this shortly.

RJ T.
From Illinois
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Update on MLB Extra Innings as of 5:50 P.M. CDT June 10, 2026...

I am getting tired of not being able to watch any baseball games and having paid for MLB Extra Innings and not knowing what the reason is I called dish back at 1-800-333-3474. I guess after all of my calls my call was routed to the Advanced Technical Support Team. I had something happen that I never knew they could do and they gained access into my Wally Receiver. I was told settings look good and right now on the only channel that shows is the MLB1 Baltimore Orioles Channel. They are playing the at home against the Seattle Mariners right now. She was able to access to that channel which prompted a purchase a Rent option. That signaled a red flag to her right away. She escalated a ticket with photographs and info from my screen to the top tier advanced programing technical department and told me they received the ticket and are reviewing it now. They got back to her and said they would have information within 30 minutes. I either get the channels within 30 minutes or I am to call back and they will advance from there. Seems like maybe my persistence is paying off. I will keep you informed. Maybe we can all have a resolution to this shortly.
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Update on MLB Extra Innings as of 5:50 P.M. CDT June 10, 2026...

I am getting tired of not being able to watch any baseball games and having paid for MLB Extra Innings and not knowing what the reason is I called dish back at 1-800-333-3474. I guess after all of my calls my call was routed to the Advanced Technical Support Team. I had something happen that I never knew they could do and they gained access into my Wally Receiver. I was told settings look good and right now on the only channel that shows is the MLB1 Baltimore Orioles Channel. They are playing the at home against the Seattle Mariners right now. She was able to access to that channel which prompted a purchase a Rent option. That signaled a red flag to her right away. She escalated a ticket with photographs and info from my screen to the top tier advanced programing technical department and told me they received the ticket and are reviewing it now. They got back to her and said they would have information within 30 minutes. I either get the channels within 30 minutes or I am to call back and they will advance from there. Seems like maybe my persistence is paying off. I will keep you informed. Maybe we can all have a resolution to this shortly.

RJ T.
From Illinois
Update as of 6:40 P.M. CDT June 10, 2026...

Noting went through on my screen. However take a look at this


They have the page back up but it shows I need to purchase. On phone on hold waiting to connect to get this thing activated.

Will post shortly with update.

RJ T.
From Illinois
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Update as of 6:40 P.M. CDT June 10, 2026...

Noting went through on my screen. However take a look at this


They have the page back up but it shows I need to purchase. On phone on hold waiting to connect to get this thing activated.

Will post shortly with update.

RJ T.
From Ill

Update as of 6:40 P.M. CDT June 10, 2026...

Noting went through on my screen. However take a look at this


They have the page back up but it shows I need to purchase. On phone on hold waiting to connect to get this thing activated.

Will post shortly with update.

RJ T.
From Illinois
Final Update... As of 8:08 P.M. CDT June 10, 2026.

I now have MLB Extra Innings back! Look at the photo! (I did not include full image of the game due to copyright)

Let me just say it was rough! Very rough! And lets just say Charlie Ergen should be ashamed of his customer service team and how they handled this whole issue.

After multiple calls after my last post only to get the run around with answers like there are no refunds on MLB Extra Innings once the season starts, to they are working on it, to accessing my screen and sending multi hits to the box.

All I asked was one simple question remove the MLB Extra Innings which they confirmed I had and reauthorize free of charge. I was given a 1,000 reasons why this couldn't be done.

Well..........

I paid for it myself.... $120.00 current rate and it works!

I called back in to let them know what I done and what I thought of the customer service and told them I needed refunded. I was told they didn't do refunds....

Well again I called back and got someone who refunded the original payment of $150.00 back to my account. A $30 discount for all the hard trouble I went though.

It is now up to you all out there that have MLB Extra Innings to try to get them to do this but I am afraid you are going to have to take your own action and purchase again and beg for a refund or be out the $150.00 originally paid.

Persistence pays off. I don't give up very easily.

You can all go here below to make the purchase if you have any trouble.


I hope it all works well for you! And best of luck to everyone who has it!

I will still be around on this forum. You all sound like a fine group of people! I hope I can contribute more.

Take care!

RJ T.
From Illinois