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ancient
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Let's say you have a dish that looks like this:

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Or this:

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The idea being that it is a dish where the LNB is supported by four support arms coming from the outside rim or an inner support ring on the dish. Now if you have that kind of dish, is there any kind of kit you can buy that would let you attach TWO scaler rings and LNB's to receive nearby satellites? I think I remember reading somewhere that for some reason the minimum spacing was 4 degrees, due to the physical size of the scalar rings, and I don't know what the maximum would be, but let's say you wanted to receive (just as an example) a satellite at 99 degrees and another at 103 degrees, or maybe 105 degrees. Assuming one has no access to a metal shop and isn't real handy with fabricating parts, is there any kind of kit or bracket you could buy that would let you do this?

What about 3 LNB's on the same dish, would that be possible?

Any idea how much the signal might be degraded by not having one or two of the LNB's pointed at the direct center of the dish?

Or is none of this possible because the mounting poles would get in the way of any such arrangement?

Obviously I would want something like this for use with a fixed-position dish, not one that moves!
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Jason S
Not exactly a kit, but some pretty neat mounts fabricated for multi-LNB and LNBFs in Post # 269, found here:
http://www.satelliteguys.us/xen/threads/pics-of-the-dish-farm-post-yours-too.131140/page-11
ancient
Not exactly a kit, but some pretty neat mounts fabricated for multi-LNB and LNBFs in Post # 269, found here:
http://www.satelliteguys.us/xen/threads/pics-of-the-dish-farm-post-yours-too.131140/page-11

I assume you are talking about these:

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At least they have the right idea of using plenty of supports:

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Words fail me on this one :eeek:

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These pics (well, at least the top three, and especially that third one) are definitely more along the line of what I was thinking of, it's too bad there isn't a pre-made commercial solution like that!
Jason S
I assume you are talking about these:
These pics (well, at least the top three, and especially that third one) are definitely more along the line of what I was thinking of, it's too bad there isn't a pre-made commercial solution like that!

Those are the photos. To me, McGuyver's multi-LNB setups in the photos appear to be well thought out, neat and simple yet sturdy using inexpensive parts (flat aluminum stock, aluminum channel, electrical conduit clamps and a few nuts and bolts).

If you don't find a ready made multi-LNB(F) holder, at least there are workable alternatives.
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ancient
Those are the photos. To me, McGuyver's multi-LNB setups in the photos appear to be well thought out, neat and simple yet sturdy using inexpensive parts (flat aluminum stock, aluminum channel, electrical conduit clamps and a few nuts and bolts).

If you don't find a ready made multi-LNB(F) holder, at least there are workable alternatives.

Right, that definitely looks doable. I realize the minimum spacing is 4 degrees and then only if you overlap scalar rings as shown in the last picture, but I wonder if there is any kind of formula as to how far apart the LNB's must be for each degree of spacing. But then I suppose that would depend on the size and depth of the dish. My only issues with that kind of mounting are the question of how well it would hold up under a load of heavy, wet snow without bending anything, and whether the fact that the LNB would not be pointed at the exact center of the dish (because the supports aren't curved at all) would degrade the signal significantly.

I suppose a mathematician could come up with a formula where given the diameter of the dish, the depth of the dish, and the number of degrees separation between the satellite you are trying to receive, it could calculate exactly how far apart (center to center) the LNB's need to be, and what the curve of the extender rods should be (though my guess is that curve would exactly mirror the curve of the dish itself). But whether you'd pick up any appreciable signal gain (more than a point or two of quality) by calculating with that precision is an open question. And anyway, I'm not a mathematician, so for me doing something like this would be all trial-and-error.
gabshere
ok i'm no expert at it but did get the chance to play with multi lnb's on one dish for a few hours last year . I don't get a lot of time to play with my dishes since i work out of state. this link shows several lnb's in a temp setup using conduit hangers.
although they are flimsy and shouldn't be used for anything more than playing / testing (for length of something more sturdy) mine only got 91,99,105 in testing so your mileage may vary :) its a project i hope i get more time this year to play with some more :)
R
Here is the directions for multi-c band. They did not write directions for using a satellite dish without shadows after the cable companies put fences up to hide their dishes. Here is a picture of the design I have used which is offset for elevation accrued using the middle of a c band sized dish; for c or ku band sized dishes used my hands on the lnbf; from behind the dish to southern exposure; holding the skew and the stable aimed point using a bracket is easier. The problem is if the assembly moves a 1/4 inch; it stops working; so static bracing is required; and very good switch; and all lnbf's must be isolated from the mirror (satellite dish and associated ground; diseq sw is half of the assembly. Plastic or glass are the only materials for the isolation factor removes the dish from "electrically being ground as it is actually id's making an amount of electricity the lnb". The switch used only powers dc one lnbf at a time.
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How it is done today using a ku dish is the AZ/EL mount that uses its "offset" design to give you one satellite at offset using the middle of the dish; and the marked elevation for when the pipe is a vertical. DBS dishes do the middle of the dish iused for one satellite the middle lnbf receives and skews to the 4 satellites it receives. The other satellites are aimed at using the assembly (dish toroidial feature built-into the dish; accruing aim of each. The picture from my link is when a dish plate is horizontal; the offset is the lnbf aimed to the middle of the dish from each offset; using offset as both AZ and EL from the true mirror and amplification a satellite dish has available to it (both angles) from the center of the dish. Motorized dishes were designed to move to all that is offset today; they only needed one lnb (then $1000) and the shadow was small because of only one lnb. Offset dishes upsidedown and backwards have no shadows to ANY OTHER SATELLITE FROM THE PLACED LNBf's onto the assembly. This is the same as taking a glorystar dish and using it upside down (; from where i live the lnbf is almost vertical because of itheir offset design (; with a re-movable offset their brackets..+24 lnbf's and is about $240+12 brackets for the ku band only assembly. They just do not write their instruction book for its use. Many parts on the dish; like the lnbf bracing are shadows to many lnbfs. The shadow is minor with only 1 lnbf. Keeping the assembly from shadowing each other is why it has to be offset; and if you look at directv's lnbf why 2 degree spacing is really hard to accrue. The lnbf's today are not designed for 2 degree spacing as the "bump into each other" unless they are cut and isolated from each other like directv's ku band lnbf as an assembly; or for FTA uses.
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migold
I am using pipe clamps to attach a second LNBF. On my 8' dish, I get 6 deg. spacing for 99W (Focus) and 105W (offset), at best. On my 10' dish, I get 4 deg. spacing for 97W (focus) and 101W (offset).
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R
offsetting LNBf's from a center focus designed for one lnbf shadow only; means that the more lnbf's you mount, the more each cause shadow to each others direction it receives from. The DBS type is around 8 degree's also because of the shadows at aim for their spacing of the satellites; and ku band is small area of shadowing (nlockage of signals). Just like a c band dish needs the entire dish to reflect an entire satellite; always the middle of the dish is aimed at. Notice DBS dishes do not aim every lnbf/eye/cavity at the middle of the dish (C Band LNBf's must aim at the middle to achieve optimum signal gathering of the energy reflected; SO EVERY LNBf must achieve its "aim" using the middle of the dish. The offset for elevation sets the elevation of the lnbf aimed; the az is set with the middle of the dish at the same time for full satellite signals without any shadow/blockages by the other lnbf's mounted next to it. Then the entire dish can actually receive every satellite the plate can be aimed at; using offset for elevation AND AZ! The assembly looks like this picture
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now look inside dtv's 3 satellite offset @ 2 degree's and that really is one feed; 3 satellites; ku band satellites circ. polarity; no shadows; 3 gig = 1000+ channels stacked and right on down the cable to their receiver; prefectivly. In Alaska; a satellite dish almost has to ne mounted upside down and sideways.

In the old days, while the concrete hardens; pipe/post/pole for polar mounting; I would take the assembled c band dish W/O mount; and point the dish straight up; then using my hands holding the feedhorn; i would plug a hdtv in next to the dish; and watch channels by aiming the lnbf at offset and AZ; across the middle of the dish
AND WATCH TV; you can too; to get every satellite at 4 degree's the scalars need to be cut physically to fit; and the dish must be mounted po nting straight up; and to get both c and ku the ku or whatever collector you mount must all aim at the middle of the dish; and curve; or follow the arc of and skew if any; of and with every lnbf; without shadowing each other the Design is already a fact!!
cpdretired
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Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
Almighty1
This is what I see when it comes to offers on My Account on the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com:

AMC+ 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
AMC+ Free for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)
AMC+ 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Cine y Entretenimie 50% off for 3 months

DOGTV 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

DISH Movie Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

DOGTV 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
DOGTV 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Gallery First Month Free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Heartland Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

Mexico y Mas 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

MGM+ $0.00/Month not saying how long (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Multi-Sport Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Netflix Standard with Ads, $7.99/month credit toward Netflix Standard with Ads ($.99) month with 24 month DISH commitment
(Only on My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Outdoor Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Paramount+ with SHOWTIME 50% off for three months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)
Paramount+ with SHOWTIME 2 months free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Playboy TV 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Republica Dominicana 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

STARZ 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
STARZ $1.99/month for 2 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

Sudamerica y Mas 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

UP Faith & Family 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
look again mine says free for 1 month
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Almighty1
look again mine says free for 1 month
Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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wonder why it says that
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Almighty1
look again mine says free for 1 month
You have a different offer that is free for a shorter timeframe which is different than the one that I and bnewt saw without defining the promotion period as I sent the question to DISH Care via Facebook Messenger and this is the response I got back 20 minutes ago.

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T
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I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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Juan
Not alot of dish customers any more
Foxbat
I'm not a big fan of the new layout, especially on my Apple TV. It used to look like the old Guide layout on the Hopper 3, but they changed parts of that, too.
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dishstaller
I really dislike change for the sake of change
dishdude
I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
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Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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Ronnie-
Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
navychop
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
navychop
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
KAB
KAB
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
S
Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
ncted
ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade
No. Makes me wonder if that is Apple or the carrier. I am on pre-paid, so I never get "an upgrade." I still have my old iPhone 11 Pro as a second line, and it runs iOS 27 just fine. My iPhone Air, which is still a current model, doesn't really seem that much faster in regular use. It is better in other ways, and worse in some ways than the 11 Pro (size), but performance really isn't a big differentiator, especially since I replaced the battery in the 11 Pro. If I had gotten enough storage when I originally bought the 11 Pro, it could still be my primary device with no issues.
ncted
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.
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navychop
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
dishstaller
Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
But.....if you like Tulsa King....looks like you would probably like this as well. I don't mind spin-offs as long as they don't involve a sassy niece who moves from the big city :rolleyes:
TheRatPatrol
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Jimbo

Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
Tony as the director.🙄
Jimbo
Tony as the director.🙄
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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dfergie
I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Howard Simmons
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
Jimbo
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
dishstaller
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Might be worth a watch when it comes out. Looks like typical big corp against the little guy movie BUT....there is a reason this plot type is so oft repeated, it draws audiences.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-f9OGsKHd4
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dishstaller
BTW, I noticed right after I posted this that someone else had already mentioned it....sorry for the duplicate thread. Still looking forward to seeing the movie.