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I'd like to take a moment to offer my un-biased opinion of the aforementioned television services. I have had all 3 services within the past 7 months so they are all fresh in my mind. I think it's important to let everyone know that I don't currently nor have I ever worked for any of these service providers. I'm not a "fan-boy" of any particular provider, I just like reliable, quality programming delivered on powerful equipment at a reasonable price.

I've broken down my review into 4 categories: equipment, programming, picture quality, signal reliability, and price. I have rated each category with 5 being the highest and 1 being the lowest. I've added some notes to each category detailing my experience. I hope this helps some of you who may be on the fence trying to determine which provider to go with.

I've also broken down the packages and prices for each based on the programming and equipment I use. All pricing referenced is based on standard, non-promotional, monthly rates. I realize there are many different configurations available but the only one that really matters is the one that fits your needs. YMMV.

So, without further ado, here is my review of Suddenlink, DirecTV, and Dish Network.

Suddenlink
Service Description: Service in SW Missouri. Subscribed to SL200 + Sports & Info and Family packages.
Programming charge: $57

Equipment: TiVo Premier (4 tuners/500GB HDD), 1 TiVo Mini
Equipment charge: $22

Total Cost: $79

Equipment (4.5) – The Tivo Premier is a nice box, however I felt it was a bit dated. I'm sure the newer Roamio boxes or the new Bolt are much peppier, but this is what SL provided and I wasn't willing to buy my own, so that's what I got.

Speed was a bit sluggish compared to the Hopper and HR44 units offered by the satellite providers. There were times when I would try to navigate through the menu to select a recorded program and would have to wait several seconds, in some cases nearly a full minute, for the spinning wheel in the middle of the screen to disappear and allow me to move on. Now, that being said, the layout of their menu and ease of use is the best I've seen. It is very simple to setup and backup recordings and season passes. You can also manage and edit your timers remotely from their app, which is also a huge win for TiVo.

You can use a separate Tivo Stream to stream recordings or live TV to your device (I think this is included in newer TiVo boxes). This works well when connected to your local network however I was never able to get this to work out-of-home. Honestly, I didn't try too hard as that isn't a component that I'm all that interested in but the troubles are worth noting.

Programming (4) – In my area, Suddenlink has one base package with 2 add-on packages. The total for all 3 is only $57 which includes many of the same channels the sat providers have in their highest packages. That being said, the selection of HD channels on Suddenlink is lower than DTV & Dish. There are a number of common HD channels that were not available in HD on Suddenlink, such as National Geographic Wild, TruTV, & The Weather Channel to name a few. There are also some sports channels, like MLB & NBA network, that aren't available at all on SL. I realize that channel selection for cable providers often differs depending on where you are in the country, but in my area, there are several channels that I consider pretty common that they simply don't have.

One saving grace to the lack of HD channels on SL is that the SD channels are much higher quality than either of the sat providers. This at least makes the non-HD channels watchable.

Picture quality (5) – This is an area where SL really excels. I'm not sure what the technical reasons are behind this but their HD picture is the best I've seen in my home (excluding blue-ray, of course). Additionally, as noted above, SD picture quality is much higher than either sat provider. This helps to make up for the lower number of HD channels given that the SD versions are at least watchable.

Picture reliability (2.5) – If PQ is SL's biggest advantage, then picture reliability is their biggest downfall. I know this sounds weird because signal reliability is supposed to be better with a buried cable than with a satellite signal that has to traverse clouds and weather. Obviously there is no rain fade with cable, but at least in my experience, I had major issues with pixilation, freezing, and audio drops. I uploaded some pictures in another post on this site if you're interested in seeing what I was dealing with. SL sent multiple techs out to investigate and they all said my signal was very strong. The last one switched out my TiVo with a newer version made by Pace but the issue remained. I thought the issue may be internal with my wiring or something but after talking to some other people in my area who have had SL it appears the issue may have been more widespread. It is because of this ongoing problem that I am no longer a SL customer.

Price (4.5) – SL service is the cheapest available for the programming I'm interested in. I am able to get all of the non-premium channels they offer for $57, which is significantly cheaper than similar packages on the sat providers.

Equipment costs are similar to other providers with a $15 fee for TiVo service, and $7 for additional receivers. They don't charge for HD service, however, though this is a trend that sat providers are starting to follow as well. Overall, good price for what is offered. It's too bad they can't get their signal issues ironed out.

SL Overall Rating: 20.5

DirecTV
Service Description: Subscribed to Choice Xtra package.
Programming charge: $78

Equipment: 1 Genie HR44 & 1 C41 mini
Equipment charge: $28

Total Cost: $106

Equipment (4) – I found the HR44 to be a very solid receiver. It was fast, reliable, and very user friendly. Unfortunately, it was not all that pretty and offered little other than the standard DVR / channel tuning capabilities. At the end of the day, however, isn't that the most important function of a DVR?

I did feel that the HR44 system strongly resembled the TiVo, at least from the standpoint of scheduling recordings, DVR lists, trick play, etc. The unit was very reliable and required only a few reboots due to lockups in the 3 years I had the box. I did feel that anytime I used the double-play or PiP features that the box was one button-press away from completely locking up and requiring a hard restart. This only happened one time that I can remember but it got to the point where it slow to a crawl when using these features so I just stopped using them after a while.

Now, on to their mobile app: Absolutely horrible! There is very little interaction you can do with the receiver, such as managing your recordings list. Additionally, the GenioGo would constantly lockup requiring reboots or sometimes resets. We also had to wipe the unit several times causing us to lose all of the prepared recordings.

Copying programs to your mobile device using GenieGo was also a tedious process which took a long time and would often freeze up. It became such a hassle that most of my family members eventually gave up and just stopped using it all together. I could go on but suffice it to say that our GenieGo system was useless.

Programming (4.5) – For our family, DTV has the widest array of HD programming that we watch. There is also a wider array of basic programming packages to choose from compared to Dish or SL. We had Choice Xtra which had all of the channels we were interested in and nearly all of them were available in HD. This is a good thing as their SD picture quality is absolutely atrocious!

Picture quality (4.5) – HD PQ is a very close second to SL. I think SL is slightly sharper, but it's very close. As for SD PQ, as I stated above, it's terrible! Fortunately, with DTV's large selection of HD programming, this is not an issue as nearly all of the channels we watch are available in HD.

Picture reliability (4.5) – This was not much of an issue outside of the most aggressive of rain storms. I never had issues during overcast conditions or in snow-storms. When the signal would go out, however, it be out for quite a while; longer than what used to be the case with Dish Network. I never had signal issues, drop-outs, or the other issues that I had with SL, though.

Price (3.5) – This is probably the biggest knock on DTV. I know, the cost really isn't THAT much higher than other providers, but even $10 adds up over time. Also, if you're a big NFL fan, your only option to watch more than your local teams on Sunday is to buy Sunday Ticket as they don't officially offer the Redzone channel. I know, some have gotten Redzone for free or have been offered NFLST at a discounted rate year after year, but going strictly by the book, it's full price for NFLST or local games only.

For me, I'm a very big NFL fan, but I got tired of "playing the pricing game" with DTV year after year and had a hard time justifying any cost for a package of multiple games that are mostly on during the same time slot (1pm EST). For me, Redzone is more than sufficient at a much cheaper price.

DTV Overall Rating: 21

Dish Network
Service Description: Subscribed to AT200
Programming charge: $75

Equipment: 1 Hopper, 1 Super Joey, 1 Joey
Equipment charge: $29

Total Cost: $104

Equipment (4.5) – The Hopper is a very polished receiver that has more apps and features available than either TiVo or Genie. Unfortunately some of the standard functions of a DVR, such as scheduling recordings, appear to have taken a back seat to some of these additional features. From a standpoint of basic DVR functionality, the Hopper is clunky and difficult to use. Many of their menus have large icons instead of a simple list. Sorting can be a challenge as well. But not all is lost with the Hopper.

While the biggest detriment to the Hopper is definitely timer creation/management, the receiver truly excels in every other aspect. Their guide is larger, shows more hours of programming, and displays channel logos instead of the text-only guides on TiVo and Genie systems. I also think the channel layout makes much more sense on Dish than it does on the other systems. Their channels are grouped into similar categories, such as sports, news, kids, etc. DTV and definitely SL have channels thrown all over the place. Thank goodness that the TiVo lets you sort the guide by name instead of channel number as SL's lineup makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, but I digress.

The Hopper has a large amount of apps built-in to their interface. Using these apps is easy and fast making it a much more thorough entertainment experience than the other two receivers. The way Dish has integrated whole-home functionality into the Hopper is far more superior to DTV or SL IMO. With Dish, you truly have the ability to start a program in one room and finish in another. I think DTV was the first to advertise this feature, but making that occur is much clunkier and requires a lot more button presses on the Genie. Dish allows this with 2 button presses: one to bring up the tuner screen (another benefit over the other two providers) and the next to select the tuner.
Additionally, you can view, pause, rewind, etc. that program completely independent over what is happening with the SAME PROGRAM in another room.

Finally, the biggest advantage the Hopper brings over the other two providers is the integration of their mobile app. Dish uses Sling technology to stream all of your subscribed channels both in and out of home. Setup is a breeze! Simply install and open the app. It will run a scan on your network and find your Hopper causing a code to be displayed on the TV screen. Input the code into your app and you're done. Performing this simple step allows both in-home and out-of-home access to be configured without requiring any additional steps.

Also, the ability to transfer recordings to your mobile device happens much faster than with TiVo and GenieGo. I was able to transfer a prepared 1 hour HD program to my iPad in less than 2 minutes vs. at least 30 minutes on the other two systems.

Programming (4.5) – Programming is a close second to DTV. Dish has most of the standard, main-stream channels in HD as does DTV. The channels that are SD only are mostly kid's channels or channels that primarily replay old shows that were recorded before HD was prominent, like TVLand. While it is nice for the kids to enjoy HD programming while watching cartoons and such, they aren't paying the bills so I would much prefer the HD focus be on channels that I care about rather than the ones my kids watch.

Picture quality (4) – PQ is ever so slightly lower than DTV or SL. This should come as no surprise as this has been heavily discussed on these forums multiple times. Honestly, for me though, the difference is miniscule and is barely worth mentioning. I'm configured on the Eastern Arc which I've read is all MPEG4 and stronger than Western Arc so that might have something to do with it. In any case, HD quality between DTV and Dish is really splitting hairs IMO.

Picture reliability (4.5) – This is an area where Dish really struggled the last time I had them prior to 2010. So far, my new install has been rock solid, however. Now, while I haven't seen a monsoon type rain storm yet, there have been plenty of rainfalls and overcast days and not even a blip on the screen. There have also been no glitches or pixilation other than with one local channel which I believe is more related to that channel than the system as I've seen that on all 3 providers with that channel.

Price (4) – Dish's pricing is slightly lower than DTV for similar packages, so I give them the edge here, however both sat providers are significantly higher than SL. I find this odd given that when satellite TV burst onto the scene decades ago, they shattered the pricing models of cable. That seems to have turned around now. In any case, given the current "pricing standard", Dish is reasonably priced when comparing to other providers. My 3 receiver system and programming package totals $104, which is $2 cheaper than my DTV setup was with only 2 receivers! Both are quite a bit higher than SL, however.

Overall Rating: 21.5

I realize this is an extremely long post and for those of you who have taken the time to read the whole thing, I hope you have found some benefit. My goal was to post my experiences and share my opinion on the three providers in hopes that I can make someone else's decision a little easier. All things considered, I think all 3 providers are very solid with only minor differences between them. It's really a matter of personal preference.


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The review just confirms my view that TiVo, Genie, and Hopper are in top class of best DVR's. All other subsequent DVR's are pretty bad. Personally, I rate as follows:

1. Hopper
2. Genie
3. TiVo

There isn't a big difference in rating among those 3 GREAT DVR's, just a lot of one DVR does something a little better than the other or easier, etc. You can't go wrong with any of those 3.
KAB
KAB
From my limited experience, I would switch your 2 and 3 around.
M
6 tuners, integrated streaming, comm skip on 20 channels, file portability, global search and low cost (additional clients have no fees), among other things, puts TiVo on top IMO.

I agree those 3 are head and shoulders above everything else.
ChadT41
Honestly, I think everyone here is right. It being a preference thing, mine goes Hopper, Genie, TIVO. For me, it is not just the equipment, but the services that go with it, and ease of use. For me, the hopper has been the easiest receiver to use, and even teach my tech illiterate family. I still struggle learning the genie, and the TIVO I just have too limited an experience with.
Troch77
The Tivo is for the more advanced user IMO.
The Hopper and the Genies are more suited for the average user.
The Roamios IMO are great machines, But you have to have a little bit of Satelliteguys in you to take advantage of most of it features.
It was a harder platform to get used to.
Bobby
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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Bobby
MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Wednesday 10-14, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-02.
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MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Thursday 10-15, 6PM PDT, Channel 148-02.
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CFB, Notre Dame at BYU, Saturday 10-27, 4:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.
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NASCAR, Freeway Insurance 500, Sunday 10-18, 12PM PDT, Channel 148-04.
Bobby
CFB, Ohio State at Indiana, Saturday 10-17, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona State at Texas Tech, Saturday 10-17, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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Former member 209992
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For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Foxbat
Yeah. It's probably something going on with the MacBook as my iPhone has been pretty snappy.
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Scott Greczkowski
I have been optimizing the site the past few days... and got us here now. :) We are rocking now!

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Foxbat
Yeah. It's probably something going on with the MacBook as my iPhone has been pretty snappy.
I rebooted my MacBook Air and it's zipping right along. Sorry, but it was taking over 20 seconds to load pages, with the pulsing blue bars so it was munching on something.
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
Foxbat
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Wasn't exactly sure where to post this. Just had a customer come in inquiring about internet. He has HughesNet and had heard good things about mine. He asked if we provided email addresses and it kinda caught me off guard. I said he should be able to keep whatever email he had been using....my sister in law is still using a BellSouth email addy and they haven't been around here for many years. He said he had gotten a letter from HughesNet stating that they had until Nov 16th to save, move, forward, whatever, their Hughesnet emails because they would lose them after that date.

I have never heard of a company simply mass-deleting email accounts (the customer still has his HughesNet service). From what I understand, in the past, the company who was ditching their email service simply sold the customer base to a company like Google.

Anyone else getting this letter. He said he would show it to me tomorrow when I go out there and set up his internet.
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Foxbat
Doing a Google of the HughesNet Email notice, it seems that HughesNet has been trying to eliminate hosting emails since 2019. And with HughesNet filing Chapter 11 back in August, it would be a smart move to switch to a more stable Email provider. Even AT&T farmed out their Email to Yahoo! years ago.

SpaceX's Starlink and the Cellular 5G Home Internet solutions have pretty much relegated HughesNet and its high latency, low bandwidth Internet service to History. If Earth had shorter days, maybe a Geostationary Internet Solution might have stood a fighting chance…
dishstaller
Well, I helped him set up a gmail acct....I actually wanted to see what the new process is for setting up a gmail acct since it had been years since I set mine up. Anyway, I showed him how to forward the emails he wanted to keep over.
navychop
If Earth had shorter days,

Wouldn't we then die of old age sooner?

🙄
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Foxbat
Wouldn't we then die of old age sooner?

🙄
Still the same number of years, just more Sunsets…😉
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Can't help but wonder if a worker overlooked checking the harness. I rarely ride a roller coaster anymore but when I do I check the harness myself pretty aggressively.
Can't imagine what the son is going through.

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Jimbo
Back on the Goliath Roller Coaster ... I'm interested to find more details as well ...
Like where on the track did this happen (somewhere I read that it was on the climb up the top), which is impossible ...

They really need to take that ride and add at the very least, seatbelts ...

The Park is opening back up on Friday, the ride will Not be opening ... personally, I would keep it closed until different type of restraints can be designed and installed (over the winter).

I find it hard to believe that this ride is even allowed to be running with the restraints that exist at the moment, there are other rides that use the same type and they have been shut down across the country.

You got to believe that every ride has at least 2 types of restraint systems in place.

I wonder what and when we will hear from the Manufacturer ... and whatever governing bodies control these ...

Just think, this is a Major Amusement Park .... I would not have any problem getting on the Roller Coasters I have rode ...

Imagine what these County Fairs and others like them, I would not be caught Dead on one of them ... they get put up and tore down every other week, where is the safety for those rides ... No Thank You.
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navychop
I would not be caught Dead on one of them

Yet IF you were on one, you might be caught dead.
dishstaller
Had no idea there were that many redundancies built into those restraints.
Jimbo
Had no idea there were that many redundancies built into those restraints.
It makes sense, however, I would want more types of restraints, so if one doesn't work, the other does ... the restraints coming over the shoulder I would have expected ... with a Seat belt as last resort.

Fwiw, I inquired with what they use on Coasters at Cedar Point, various Coasters, different restraints according to what the car and track requires ...

NONE of the Coasters at CP use THAT particular system :)
I'm glad to see ...
dishstaller
with a Seat belt as last resort.
According to the article, when you see a seat belt on a ride like this, it is basically used as a way of making sure the rider isn't too large/fat to safely ride the ride.
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Last reply · posted in FTA Receiver / Equipment Support
I just received 6 receiver 2 port mini Multiswitch and it work great, no external power need it, and you can connect 6 receiver instead of 4 on most Mini Multiswitches... If anyone is interested in where they can get one PM me....
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Titanium
Have you tested using external power? Over the years, have found unpowered polarity switching to be unreliable. Especially problematic when used with DiSEqC motors or switch stacking.
H
No I have not. I just got it the other day and it is connected to six receivers working just fine. What I do is non power mini multi-switches work best with LNBF's and with LNB's
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TheRatPatrol
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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TheRatPatrol
Wait, Tony is the director now? Apologies, I stopped watching a while ago.
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Jimbo
Wait, Tony is the director now? Apologies, I stopped watching a while ago.
Was Gibbs still there when you quit watching ?
If so, A Lot has happened ....

It's been pretty good all along , once you get use to Gibbs being gone.
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Jimbo

Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
Tony as the director.🙄
Jimbo
Tony as the director.🙄
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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