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First off, excuse me for the random stupid questions that I should already know. I *think* I know the answers, but I'd feel better with some confirmations
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Background: Currently we have a Slimline 3LNB dish with 1 HR34 Genie, 2 HR24s, and 1ancient HR21. Since I'm a dork and have enterprise/telco-grade equipment, I live unsupported and run Ethernet to everything. I even went totally unsupported and use split VLANs and disabled multicast routing to keep the playlists of the "younger kids" and "bigger kids" (aka adults) separate in MRV. However, we just got a 4k TV and I called to swap the HR34 out with a HR54 and add a C61K. They refuse to drop-ship them to me, so I'm going to put everything back in a supported config (no Ethernet, just Coax, using BSFs between the SWM multiswitch outside and the splitters inside to keep the playlists split) for the installer, and then probably switch it back again after he leaves.
So now that THAT is over with.. the stupid questions:
- Am I going to need a new dish/LNB from the installer, or will the current Slimline 3LNB work?
- I know the HR21 requires an external DECA when using coax networking. Does it need a BSF between the DECA and the receiver, or does the DECA itself have an internal BSF? I'm assuming it has a filter.
- I assume the HR54 is like the HR34, in that it will need a BSF in order to prevent it from acting like a CCK by bridging coax and Ethernet?
- On the HR24s, I currently use a BSF to 'force' them to use Ethernet. Is this really needed on the HR24s, or are they smart enough to not use coax networking when Ethernet is plugged in?
- The C61K I assume doesn't really have a tuner (since it's a client), and that it just uses networking to talk to the HR54. Since they sadly didn't include an Ethernet port on the C61K, is there any reason why I couldn't just piggy-back a CCK or DECA III on the back of the C61K to "give" it Ethernet? That way I can plug it in anywhere in the house where I have networking but not coax.
- And the craziest for last: I know that the DECA III can be powered via USB or EPS10 power adapter. I read somewhere that the USB seems to only work when connected to a receiver. Is that true? If it is, does anybody have an EPS10 handy that they can read the 'INPUT' line on them to see if they are 120VAC only or if they accept 120VAC-240VAC? I can't find a decent close-up picture anywhere of a EPS10 to tell. My main server cabinet where my existing CCK is is mainly ran off a 240VAC UPS. Because the power adapter on the CCK is 120VAC-only, I had it and the GenieGo/Nomad on a smaller 120VAC UPS. Since the GenieGo/Nomad seems to be basically a doorstop now, I'd like to get rid of the 120VAC UPs if possible. I'm hoping either the EPS10 can take 240V, or if the DECA III will run off of any USB power, I can use an IEC C7 cable into an iPad charger to get USB power off of 240V!
Thanks all for the help and for dealing with the stupid!
First off, excuse me for the random stupid questions that I should already know. I *think* I know the answers, but I'd feel better with some confirmations
.Background: Currently we have a Slimline 3LNB dish with 1 HR34 Genie, 2 HR24s, and 1ancient HR21. Since I'm a dork and have enterprise/telco-grade equipment, I live unsupported and run Ethernet to everything. I even went totally unsupported and use split VLANs and disabled multicast routing to keep the playlists of the "younger kids" and "bigger kids" (aka adults) separate in MRV. However, we just got a 4k TV and I called to swap the HR34 out with a HR54 and add a C61K. They refuse to drop-ship them to me, so I'm going to put everything back in a supported config (no Ethernet, just Coax, using BSFs between the SWM multiswitch outside and the splitters inside to keep the playlists split) for the installer, and then probably switch it back again after he leaves
.So now that THAT is over with.. the stupid questions:
- Am I going to need a new dish/LNB from the installer, or will the current Slimline 3LNB work?
- I know the HR21 requires an external DECA when using coax networking. Does it need a BSF between the DECA and the receiver, or does the DECA itself have an internal BSF? I'm assuming it has a filter.
- I assume the HR54 is like the HR34, in that it will need a BSF in order to prevent it from acting like a CCK by bridging coax and Ethernet?
- On the HR24s, I currently use a BSF to 'force' them to use Ethernet. Is this really needed on the HR24s, or are they smart enough to not use coax networking when Ethernet is plugged in?
- The C61K I assume doesn't really have a tuner (since it's a client), and that it just uses networking to talk to the HR54. Since they sadly didn't include an Ethernet port on the C61K, is there any reason why I couldn't just piggy-back a CCK or DECA III on the back of the C61K to "give" it Ethernet? That way I can plug it in anywhere in the house where I have networking but not coax.
- And the craziest for last: I know that the DECA III can be powered via USB or EPS10 power adapter. I read somewhere that the USB seems to only work when connected to a receiver. Is that true? If it is, does anybody have an EPS10 handy that they can read the 'INPUT' line on them to see if they are 120VAC only or if they accept 120VAC-240VAC? I can't find a decent close-up picture anywhere of a EPS10 to tell. My main server cabinet where my existing CCK is is mainly ran off a 240VAC UPS. Because the power adapter on the CCK is 120VAC-only, I had it and the GenieGo/Nomad on a smaller 120VAC UPS. Since the GenieGo/Nomad seems to be basically a doorstop now, I'd like to get rid of the 120VAC UPs if possible. I'm hoping either the EPS10 can take 240V, or if the DECA III will run off of any USB power, I can use an IEC C7 cable into an iPad charger to get USB power off of 240V!
Thanks all for the help and for dealing with the stupid!
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geez, have fun typing all that? lol. ok, here goes:
- Currently all 4k programming comes in off of the 99 CA/CB slots. however, your installer SHOULD be installing a 3RBLNB. with your current set up, you're actually just at the supported tuner limit (7 for genie, and 3x 2 tuner DVR). that also means you can rip out old/excess coax on the outside of your house if it bothers you, just make sure you know which cable to leave
the BSF is required to STOP the DECA frequencies from being transmitted. ergo its one or the other. if you NEED a deca, you dont need a BSF to block the MRV. since you are simply getting this set up so the tech doesnt freak out, i'd say dont bother moving the coax, just unplug the ethernet while he's there. if he asks about it, just tell him to leave it be.
that is correct. if you're keeping all of your OTHER receivers and simply adding the C61k on top of the genie at the same location, you go from the wall plate to a BSF , into a 2 way splitter, then coax into both receivers (this all being @ the 4k TV). this will keep the client from freaking out. if you're replacing one of the DVRs, you will have to identify the two TV locations of the genie/c61k, put those on a two way, into a BSF, and then to the main splitter but all of that will be at the main splitter. some people dont like to daisy chain splitters, but it sounds like in your case it cant be helped.
any thing H24+ or HR24+ will automatically use its internal deca. it will ALSO connect with the Ethernet at the same time. this causes it to have a freakin heart attack some times, so for your case, use the BSF.
so you're trying to use the deca in reverse? and then keeping it on the VLAN with the HR54? i think you're rolling the dice on this one. on paper i think it will work, but 1) no tech will touch that, 2) you may have connection issues. i would not attempt to use the CCK-W (i assume thats what you ment with CCK).
the EPS10 Power supply is indeed 120VAC only. The USB part however is NOT picky about its power source, so long as it is constantly on. for example, dont use the USB on a TV because when the TV turns off, the power to the USB port does as well. however, something like a router or a D* receiver will work because it is constantly feeding power.
good luck!
- Currently all 4k programming comes in off of the 99 CA/CB slots. however, your installer SHOULD be installing a 3RBLNB. with your current set up, you're actually just at the supported tuner limit (7 for genie, and 3x 2 tuner DVR). that also means you can rip out old/excess coax on the outside of your house if it bothers you, just make sure you know which cable to leave
the BSF is required to STOP the DECA frequencies from being transmitted. ergo its one or the other. if you NEED a deca, you dont need a BSF to block the MRV. since you are simply getting this set up so the tech doesnt freak out, i'd say dont bother moving the coax, just unplug the ethernet while he's there. if he asks about it, just tell him to leave it be.
that is correct. if you're keeping all of your OTHER receivers and simply adding the C61k on top of the genie at the same location, you go from the wall plate to a BSF , into a 2 way splitter, then coax into both receivers (this all being @ the 4k TV). this will keep the client from freaking out. if you're replacing one of the DVRs, you will have to identify the two TV locations of the genie/c61k, put those on a two way, into a BSF, and then to the main splitter but all of that will be at the main splitter. some people dont like to daisy chain splitters, but it sounds like in your case it cant be helped.
any thing H24+ or HR24+ will automatically use its internal deca. it will ALSO connect with the Ethernet at the same time. this causes it to have a freakin heart attack some times, so for your case, use the BSF.
so you're trying to use the deca in reverse? and then keeping it on the VLAN with the HR54? i think you're rolling the dice on this one. on paper i think it will work, but 1) no tech will touch that, 2) you may have connection issues. i would not attempt to use the CCK-W (i assume thats what you ment with CCK).
the EPS10 Power supply is indeed 120VAC only. The USB part however is NOT picky about its power source, so long as it is constantly on. for example, dont use the USB on a TV because when the TV turns off, the power to the USB port does as well. however, something like a router or a D* receiver will work because it is constantly feeding power.
good luck!
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He indeed installed the new LNB, removed the 2nd run from the old LNB to the SWM-16 that is mounted outside, and then completely removed and took the SWM-16 with him.
Makes sense, thanks!
Awesome, I left the BSFs in!
I didn't mean CCK-W, I meant the old CCK that I had laying around. I went ahead and used a newer DECA III (which seems to be pretty much an updated CCK). I ran the USB (for power) and the coax between the C61K to the DECA III, and Cat5e from the DECA to the GigE switch. I then removed the coax completely from the wall jack. This setup is actually working very well! While the box obviously can't do more than 100Mbps because of MoCA, the switch itself has 2xGigE connections upstream, so there's no worrying about congestion.
Indeed! In my server rack I replaced my old CCK with a new DECA III and ran the USB from the DECA to my Juniper firewall, which 2 has USB ports for configuration backups and such. It seems to work awesomely. My thinking is if the firewall is down, then there's no Internet anyways!
Thanks for all of the pointers!
- Currently all 4k programming comes in off of the 99 CA/CB slots. however, your installer SHOULD be installing a 3RBLNB. with your current set up, you're actually just at the supported tuner limit (7 for genie, and 3x 2 tuner DVR). that also means you can rip out old/excess coax on the outside of your house if it bothers you, just make sure you know which cable to leave
He indeed installed the new LNB, removed the 2nd run from the old LNB to the SWM-16 that is mounted outside, and then completely removed and took the SWM-16 with him.
Makes sense, thanks!
Awesome, I left the BSFs in!
I didn't mean CCK-W, I meant the old CCK that I had laying around. I went ahead and used a newer DECA III (which seems to be pretty much an updated CCK). I ran the USB (for power) and the coax between the C61K to the DECA III, and Cat5e from the DECA to the GigE switch. I then removed the coax completely from the wall jack. This setup is actually working very well! While the box obviously can't do more than 100Mbps because of MoCA, the switch itself has 2xGigE connections upstream, so there's no worrying about congestion.
Indeed! In my server rack I replaced my old CCK with a new DECA III and ran the USB from the DECA to my Juniper firewall, which 2 has USB ports for configuration backups and such. It seems to work awesomely. My thinking is if the firewall is down, then there's no Internet anyways!
Thanks for all of the pointers!
I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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Browns lose a close one with... The Jets. That is a classic Browns loss (granted, any loss is a classic one it seems). 49'ers, Vikings, and Chiefs remain undefeated. The AFC north have a three way tie at 3-2 for second place.
A big win for the Patriots, and they are now 3-2.
Browns lose a close one with... The Jets. That is a classic Browns loss (granted, any loss is a classic one it seems). 49'ers, Vikings, and Chiefs remain undefeated. The AFC north have a three way tie at 3-2 for second place.
Troy Aikman seems to confirm he'll be leaving ESPN
Aikman says he looks forward to "where my next landing spot will be."
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.Troy Aikman seems to confirm he'll be leaving ESPN
Aikman says he looks forward to "where my next landing spot will be."
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I had quit watching this show years ago because I ended up more annoyed than entertained. Well......I'm STILL more annoyed than entertained. I DO find it interesting to see how things work behind the scenes at many businesses. What annoys me is how utterly out of touch CEOs are with the companies they run. At the end of almost every episode the head of the company is amazed at how hard the employees have to work and many times have to work around impossible guidelines set forth from headquarters.
I found this one interesting because the new CEO had big plans for this company, Muscle Maker Grill, and it looked like the stores were all pretty busy. Recent history hasn't been good to this company however. I bet the covid lockdowns were the real killer.
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I found this one interesting because the new CEO had big plans for this company, Muscle Maker Grill, and it looked like the stores were all pretty busy. Recent history hasn't been good to this company however. I bet the covid lockdowns were the real killer.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIhZm0qkz0o
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So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
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Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
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An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.
They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.
Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.
On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.
It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.
I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.
Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.
On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.
It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.
I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
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I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. 
WTF… …What the Foxbat!Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.
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wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming youWTF… …What the Foxbat!
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you
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OMG to freaking funny
Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.
I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Tony as the director.
Would you rather have LaRoche ???Tony as the director.
No. Bring in someone new.
Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
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