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Purchased a new 10 footer from Tek2000 to replace my 8 footer. The weather improved to a point that I decided to go ahead and do the install. The install went as expected, up until the point and aim portion.
My due south is 105W and only has S2 signals. Couldn't raise a thing, moved to 107.3W, was barely able to raise some S signals. After 4.5 days of checking rechecking and replacing components I came to the point of the only thing I hadn't checked was their numbers.
So, strung string again (had done a string test) and measured the depth of the dish and diameter. Then doing the math, found that the focal point was 43.14 inches not the 48.5 inches all of their documents state. Had to do my own math to approximate where to mount the support rods, as their support would only state that the focal point is 48.5 inches.
Moved the rods to a point close to what I calculated (was off) and moved the scalar and LNBF much closer to the correct point over the dish. The results were great, was able to check my tracking of the arc and button up to wait for another round of decent weather. Need to adjust things to get scalar and LNBF just a bit higher. Will shim the rods higher when I get a nice day, which will get me to the point I need to be at. That should give me a bit more Q on the weaker signals.
MORAL OF THE STORY, trust but verify. You should take the time to check the focal length yourself. It only takes a few minutes and can save days of frustration. This is true whether you are rescuing an older BUD or setting up a new one.
My due south is 105W and only has S2 signals. Couldn't raise a thing, moved to 107.3W, was barely able to raise some S signals. After 4.5 days of checking rechecking and replacing components I came to the point of the only thing I hadn't checked was their numbers.
So, strung string again (had done a string test) and measured the depth of the dish and diameter. Then doing the math, found that the focal point was 43.14 inches not the 48.5 inches all of their documents state. Had to do my own math to approximate where to mount the support rods, as their support would only state that the focal point is 48.5 inches.
Moved the rods to a point close to what I calculated (was off) and moved the scalar and LNBF much closer to the correct point over the dish. The results were great, was able to check my tracking of the arc and button up to wait for another round of decent weather. Need to adjust things to get scalar and LNBF just a bit higher. Will shim the rods higher when I get a nice day, which will get me to the point I need to be at. That should give me a bit more Q on the weaker signals.
MORAL OF THE STORY, trust but verify. You should take the time to check the focal length yourself. It only takes a few minutes and can save days of frustration. This is true whether you are rescuing an older BUD or setting up a new one.
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Well, it wouldn't be the first time that a manufacturer or vendor gives wrong specs.
And I don't understand the reasoning tek2000 gives:
"With reference to the diagram below, the correct focal length is the distance from p to the parabola vertex v. It is NOT the distance from p to the centre disc (which in all likelihood he was measuring). You have to add an additional 2 inches from the disc to the vertex."
Adding 2 inches also to the depth of 20 inches measured by bpalone gives 22 inches, even gives a focal length of 39.22 inch. Nowhere near the claimed 48.5. So that reasoning doesn't add up.
If he meant substracting ('adding to the other side of the disc surface'?), that would give 47.94 as focal length; that would be nearer, but still not 48.5
But what is exactly the position and curvature of this central disc? Is it really very different from the normal parabolic form, as tek2000 claims? He doesn't give his own measurements.
So the reasoning in his post I cannot follow.... Something wrong with me or with my reasoning?
For now I believe the calculation of bpalone, and the improvements he got by the alteration of the LNB position.
'Trust but verify'!
greetz,
A33
Well, it wouldn't be the first time that a manufacturer or vendor gives wrong specs.
And I don't understand the reasoning tek2000 gives:
"With reference to the diagram below, the correct focal length is the distance from p to the parabola vertex v. It is NOT the distance from p to the centre disc (which in all likelihood he was measuring). You have to add an additional 2 inches from the disc to the vertex."
Adding 2 inches also to the depth of 20 inches measured by bpalone gives 22 inches, even gives a focal length of 39.22 inch. Nowhere near the claimed 48.5. So that reasoning doesn't add up.
If he meant substracting ('adding to the other side of the disc surface'?), that would give 47.94 as focal length; that would be nearer, but still not 48.5
But what is exactly the position and curvature of this central disc? Is it really very different from the normal parabolic form, as tek2000 claims? He doesn't give his own measurements.
So the reasoning in his post I cannot follow.... Something wrong with me or with my reasoning?
For now I believe the calculation of bpalone, and the improvements he got by the alteration of the LNB position.
'Trust but verify'!
greetz,
A33
A33... I figured it the same as you and bpalone... two days ago. I have to remove my socks to count beyond ten though. 
Dish would need to be several inches wider... or depth less... or a combination to get the stated Focal Length. I never bother to figure the FD after that.
Maybe they forgot to convert the Canadian Inch to the American Inch.
Dish would need to be several inches wider... or depth less... or a combination to get the stated Focal Length. I never bother to figure the FD after that.
Maybe they forgot to convert the Canadian Inch to the American Inch.
Z
I never liked math, just saw that on a different site and just passed it along!Well, it wouldn't be the first time that a manufacturer or vendor gives wrong specs.
And I don't understand the reasoning tek2000 gives:
"With reference to the diagram below, the correct focal length is the distance from p to the parabola vertex v. It is NOT the distance from p to the centre disc (which in all likelihood he was measuring). You have to add an additional 2 inches from the disc to the vertex."
Adding 2 inches also to the depth of 20 inches measured by bpalone gives 22 inches, even gives a focal length of 39.22 inch. Nowhere near the claimed 48.5. So that reasoning doesn't add up.
If he meant substracting ('adding to the other side of the disc surface'?), that would give 47.94 as focal length; that would be nearer, but still not 48.5
But what is exactly the position and curvature of this central disc? Is it really very different from the normal parabolic form, as tek2000 claims? He doesn't give his own measurements.
So the reasoning in his post I cannot follow.... Something wrong with me or with my reasoning?
For now I believe the calculation of bpalone, and the improvements he got by the alteration of the LNB position.
'Trust but verify'!
greetz,
A33
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This thread is a place to discuss the 4K events that appear on channel 540. We are getting, at this point, one college football game a week. Let's hope there is more coming.
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Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.
I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.
edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.
As I recall you have the Flex package. Do you sub to multisport? -02 is FS1 and -03 is ESPN. -01 is Fox so you would get that if you sub to locals.Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.
I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.
edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.
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Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.
At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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Hard getting used to the new younger Gibbs, Mark Harmons son had the right look but I understand he didn't want the role.
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For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.
They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.
Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.
On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.
It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.
I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.
Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.
On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.
It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.
I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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College Football Playoff nears agreement on 24-team expansion that could end title games
The College Football Playoff field is about to get much more crowded as the conferences near a deal to double the size of the field to 24 teams starting next year
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