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Directv Slimline arm for SWM LNB too short

To start out with, I live in Colorado and I am a Directv subscriber and have a big Slimline dish attached to the side of my house. Had it put there instead of on the roof so I can sweep the snow off of it during the winter. Anyway, I also have an RV and wanted to get a portable dish for the those trips away from home. Purchased a new Slimline with a tripod and a new LNB. Tested out setting it up on my deck, and was able to find the satellites with no problems. Then I tweaked the signals using a meter to get the best reception. Hooked the dish up to the receiver and found the signal strength on the portable to be lower than my regular mounted dish. Scratched my head and thought it might be the LNB or the cables being used. Checked all the cables and connectors and found no issue there. To eliminate the LNB, I swapped it out with the house one and the LNB on the portable dish. The House LNB on the tripod showed lower readings, while the new LNB on the house showed up great. Well, in my eyes, that eliminated the LNB as being the issue and got me into thinking it might be the dish itself. Measuring the dish and comparing all the parameters I found the arm on the portable was about a 1/2 inch shorter than the one on the house. So, I unlocked the LNB from the arm and gently pulled it out as far as I could, and still barely able to lock it in place. Lo and Behold the signal strength increased another 10-12 points on the meter scale. Now I am faced with a dilemma, if the focus on the LNB is that far out, what is my next step? Do I bend the dish a little this way and that (which isn't easy) to see if I can improve the focus, or do I lengthen the arm? Whichever, I figure both are going to cause issues trying to make this thing work. I'm also still trying to figure out how much money the manufacture saved by producing a shorter arm on the antenna assembly. Anyway, I'm just wondering what has anyone else done in this situation, and what suggestions do you have to tackle it?
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The SlimLine dish on the house and on the tripod are the same dish, just has a shorter arm. With a shorter arm, that throws off the focal length. The mathematics for figuring the focal length of your LNB is pretty simple. Normally you would take the diameter of the dish and multiple if by itself (Diameter X Diameter = A) and then take the depth of the dish from top and bottom and multiple it by 16 (depth X 16 = B). After you have these two measurements, then you divide, A/B. That will give you the focal distance of the LNB. With my measurements from the new dish, the focal length should be around 20 inches from the center of the dish. However, I have found the arm brings the LNB too close, to around 19.5 inches. Playing with the numbers, bringing the top and bottom of the dish closer together by about a 1/4 inch would fix the problem, and spreading the top and bottom of the dish, or flattening it, will just increase the focal length and make things worse. I'm thinking possibly during storage or shipment the dish may have been flattened. Someone could have walked or stood on the box. Anyway, making an extension for the arm may be more problematic, and then securing the LNB to it might actually offset the centering focal point on the dish. I'm still thinking about this one.
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The mathematics for figuring out the focal point of an offset dish with a feed looking at multiple orbital slots would be very difficult, if not impossible for most of us and determining it by trial and error will end up in error. For a dish like a Slimline operating at 20GHz and above the exact focal point would be critical to probably less than a cm in all directions. Ideally a feed horn is within 1/4 wavelength or so of phase center of the focal point and at 20GHz that's about 3.75mm. I used to know the Slimline specs but don't remember those fine details. It sounds to me like there is a specific LNBF that fits this dish with a short arm.

The original AT9 Ka/Ku dish had slightly different arms with mating LNBFs from different mfrs and they were not interchangeable. With the Slimline series they standardized the arm and LNBF focal point and all mfrs must meet the same dimensional specs so LNBFs from all mfrs are interchangeable.

Farside said:
The SlimLine dish on the house and on the tripod are the same dish, just has a shorter arm. With a shorter arm, that throws off the focal length. The mathematics for figuring the focal length of your LNB is pretty simple. Normally you would take the diameter of the dish and multiple if by itself (Diameter X Diameter = A) and then take the depth of the dish from top and bottom and multiple it by 16 (depth X 16 = B). After you have these two measurements, then you divide, A/B. That will give you the focal distance of the LNB. With my measurements from the new dish, the focal length should be around 20 inches from the center of the dish. However, I have found the arm brings the LNB too close, to around 19.5 inches. Playing with the numbers, bringing the top and bottom of the dish closer together by about a 1/4 inch would fix the problem, and spreading the top and bottom of the dish, or flattening it, will just increase the focal length and make things worse. I'm thinking possibly during storage or shipment the dish may have been flattened. Someone could have walked or stood on the box. Anyway, making an extension for the arm may be more problematic, and then securing the LNB to it might actually offset the centering focal point on the dish. I'm still thinking about this one.
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OK, back again with a final follow-up. The kit I purchased from Amazon was the cheapest I could find, and this one came out of China. It took awhile to get here, but I figured it was a back-up for the RV, and I could wait for it. With the poor performance it was giving me, I immediately went into discovery mode. As you read before, I did all types of comparisons with a good working antenna system, length, width, depth and such. Eventually I set the dish aside and just got another Slimline dish off Craig's List for free. Surprisingly, the new dish brought in the signals at 99s, even using the LNB that came with the bad dish. Looking at that bad dish, I scratched my head for awhile, and let it sit in my garage for a weekend. The only other thing that I noticed about the dish, comparing it to the other two, was that the grey coloring was slightly off, and that brought back some memories of when I was working on large dishes in the Air Force, and one day I came in and we had completely lost all of our signals. Over the weekend a contractor had repainted the dome and had used a lead based paint. So, just for a final check, I scraped some of the paint off the dish and gave it to my neighbor to have it analyzed. Sure enough, they had painted the dish with a lead based paint. I guess it coming out of China, they don't have strict rules on using lead based paint. I notified Amazon, and I also have noticed the dish kit is no longer available. I was looking for a cheap dish, and that is what I got.
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Farside said:
OK, back again with a final follow-up. The kit I purchased from Amazon was the cheapest I could find, and this one came out of China. It took awhile to get here, but I figured it was a back-up for the RV, and I could wait for it. With the poor performance it was giving me, I immediately went into discovery mode. As you read before, I did all types of comparisons with a good working antenna system, length, width, depth and such. Eventually I set the dish aside and just got another Slimline dish off Craig's List for free. Surprisingly, the new dish brought in the signals at 99s, even using the LNB that came with the bad dish. Looking at that bad dish, I scratched my head for awhile, and let it sit in my garage for a weekend. The only other thing that I noticed about the dish, comparing it to the other two, was that the grey coloring was slightly off, and that brought back some memories of when I was working on large dishes in the Air Force, and one day I came in and we had completely lost all of our signals. Over the weekend a contractor had repainted the dome and had used a lead based paint. So, just for a final check, I scraped some of the paint off the dish and gave it to my neighbor to have it analyzed. Sure enough, they had painted the dish with a lead based paint. I guess it coming out of China, they don't have strict rules on using lead based paint. I notified Amazon, and I also have noticed the dish kit is no longer available. I was looking for a cheap dish, and that is what I got.
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So the new dish is working correctly, you have signal strengths in the 90s on all the sats?
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Yes, I have been testing out the new dish on my deck for the past week, with above 95 signal strengths on all the transponders on 101, and have the skew set up to catch 103. Signals are a little lower on 103, but not much. I'll stow the antenna away later this week in the RV. I have a trip down to Texas that I will be making next month, and set it up down there. Elevation will change about 10 degrees, and the skew will be different, but I'm expecting that it should receive the birds just as well.
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Farside said:
Yes, I have been testing out the new dish on my deck for the past week, with above 95 signal strengths on all the transponders on 101, and have the skew set up to catch 103. Signals are a little lower on 103, but not much. I'll stow the antenna away later this week in the RV. I have a trip down to Texas that I will be making next month, and set it up down there. Elevation will change about 10 degrees, and the skew will be different, but I'm expecting that it should receive the birds just as well.
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Glad to hear you got it all going ...

Where abouts in Texas are you heading ?
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2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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I noticed you missed last week's… Much like the SEC Shorts!😉
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I noticed you missed last week's… Much like the SEC Shorts!😉
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I thought I posted it as I usually have nothing to do but sit at my desk in the morning scrolling the interwebs , but my mom passed away the day before so my mind was mush.
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I thought I posted it as I usually have nothing to do but sit at my desk in the morning scrolling the interwebs , but my mom passed away the day before so my mind was mush.
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Sorry for your loss.
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24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
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College Football Playoff nears agreement on 24-team expansion that could end title games

The College Football Playoff field is about to get much more crowded as the conferences near a deal to double the size of the field to 24 teams starting next year
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Hughesnet cancelling email addresses

Wasn't exactly sure where to post this. Just had a customer come in inquiring about internet. He has HughesNet and had heard good things about mine. He asked if we provided email addresses and it kinda caught me off guard. I said he should be able to keep whatever email he had been using....my sister in law is still using a BellSouth email addy and they haven't been around here for many years. He said he had gotten a letter from HughesNet stating that they had until Nov 16th to save, move, forward, whatever, their Hughesnet emails because they would lose them after that date.

I have never heard of a company simply mass-deleting email accounts (the customer still has his HughesNet service). From what I understand, in the past, the company who was ditching their email service simply sold the customer base to a company like Google.

Anyone else getting this letter. He said he would show it to me tomorrow when I go out there and set up his internet.
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Doing a Google of the HughesNet Email notice, it seems that HughesNet has been trying to eliminate hosting emails since 2019. And with HughesNet filing Chapter 11 back in August, it would be a smart move to switch to a more stable Email provider. Even AT&T farmed out their Email to Yahoo! years ago.

SpaceX's Starlink and the Cellular 5G Home Internet solutions have pretty much relegated HughesNet and its high latency, low bandwidth Internet service to History. If Earth had shorter days, maybe a Geostationary Internet Solution might have stood a fighting chance…
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Well, I helped him set up a gmail acct....I actually wanted to see what the new process is for setting up a gmail acct since it had been years since I set mine up. Anyway, I showed him how to forward the emails he wanted to keep over.
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If Earth had shorter days,
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Wouldn't we then die of old age sooner?

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Wouldn't we then die of old age sooner?

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Still the same number of years, just more Sunsets…😉
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Even AT&T farmed out their Email to Yahoo! years ago.
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I still have one of those although I've been trying to wean myself off it.
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Among my many email accounts I still have a .netscape.net which AOL assimilated a while back.
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NCIS: Origins

Hard getting used to the new younger Gibbs, Mark Harmons son had the right look but I understand he didn't want the role.
Still I'm enjoying, pretty good job with Franks.
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Best episode ever.
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Best episode ever.
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I actually think the very first episode was One of the Best ...
S1 E1 Yankee White
Where it all started in what was it, 2003 ?

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Sorry, I got the shows mixed up, were talking Origins ...
I've liked Most of them once we've gotten past the 1st 3-4, getting to know who was who took a bit in the beginning.
It's a bit harder seeing we already Know the person, then go back and see how they became that person.
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Mark Harmon is coming back as Gibbs in Origins, for the full season. Just saw, Dinozzo too, on NCIS . That will be an interesting writing project.
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Mark Harmon Returning To 'NCIS: Origins' As Gibbs For Season 3

Mark Harmon is returning to NCIS: Origins for a season-long arc.
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Really good one with OG Gibbs bookending it...
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Really good one with OG Gibbs bookending it...
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Will the OG Gibbs be on NCIS or will Tony be on NCIS Origins?
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Song Name Game Part 3!

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NCIS

Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BIdMzUBHvjw?feature=share
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Tony as the director.🙄
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Howard Simmons said:
Tony as the director.🙄
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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OTHER  Mini Multiswitch

I just received 6 receiver 2 port mini Multiswitch and it work great, no external power need it, and you can connect 6 receiver instead of 4 on most Mini Multiswitches... If anyone is interested in where they can get one PM me....
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Have you tested using external power? Over the years, have found unpowered polarity switching to be unreliable. Especially problematic when used with DiSEqC motors or switch stacking.
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No I have not. I just got it the other day and it is connected to six receivers working just fine. What I do is non power mini multi-switches work best with LNBF's and with LNB's
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It also has a IPS and a OPS switch on the side of it with a power led light showing when is on. It seems to be very nice build switch
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Dish 4K Event Listings (No Discussion)

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As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Wednesday 10-14, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-02.
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CFB, Ohio State at Indiana, Saturday 10-17, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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Site is slooooow

For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Yeah. It's probably something going on with the MacBook as my iPhone has been pretty snappy.
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I have been optimizing the site the past few days... and got us here now. :) We are rocking now!

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I rebooted my MacBook Air and it's zipping right along. Sorry, but it was taking over 20 seconds to load pages, with the pulsing blue bars so it was munching on something.
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
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Man falls to his death on roller coaster at 6 Flags in GA

Can't help but wonder if a worker overlooked checking the harness. I rarely ride a roller coaster anymore but when I do I check the harness myself pretty aggressively.
Can't imagine what the son is going through.

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Dad levitated and bled then fell to his death from coaster

Eyewitnesses have shared fresh details of the horrific accident that happened at Six Flags Over Georgia on Monday afternoon.
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Back on the Goliath Roller Coaster ... I'm interested to find more details as well ...
Like where on the track did this happen (somewhere I read that it was on the climb up the top), which is impossible ...

They really need to take that ride and add at the very least, seatbelts ...

The Park is opening back up on Friday, the ride will Not be opening ... personally, I would keep it closed until different type of restraints can be designed and installed (over the winter).

I find it hard to believe that this ride is even allowed to be running with the restraints that exist at the moment, there are other rides that use the same type and they have been shut down across the country.

You got to believe that every ride has at least 2 types of restraint systems in place.

I wonder what and when we will hear from the Manufacturer ... and whatever governing bodies control these ...

Just think, this is a Major Amusement Park .... I would not have any problem getting on the Roller Coasters I have rode ...

Imagine what these County Fairs and others like them, I would not be caught Dead on one of them ... they get put up and tore down every other week, where is the safety for those rides ... No Thank You.
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Could B&M’s Patent on the “Clamshell” Ride Restraint Design Offer Clues as to What Happened on Goliath at Six Flags Over Georgia?

Incredibly sad news out of Six Flags Over Georgia as it’s being reported one man was killed after being ejected from Goliath, the B&M hyper coaster. Many news outlets have posted pictures of pe…
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I would not be caught Dead on one of them
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Yet IF you were on one, you might be caught dead.
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Jimbo said:
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Could B&M’s Patent on the “Clamshell” Ride Restraint Design Offer Clues as to What Happened on Goliath at Six Flags Over Georgia?

Incredibly sad news out of Six Flags Over Georgia as it’s being reported one man was killed after being ejected from Goliath, the B&M hyper coaster. Many news outlets have posted pictures of pe…
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Had no idea there were that many redundancies built into those restraints.
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Had no idea there were that many redundancies built into those restraints.
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It makes sense, however, I would want more types of restraints, so if one doesn't work, the other does ... the restraints coming over the shoulder I would have expected ... with a Seat belt as last resort.

Fwiw, I inquired with what they use on Coasters at Cedar Point, various Coasters, different restraints according to what the car and track requires ...

NONE of the Coasters at CP use THAT particular system :)
I'm glad to see ...
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with a Seat belt as last resort.
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According to the article, when you see a seat belt on a ride like this, it is basically used as a way of making sure the rider isn't too large/fat to safely ride the ride.
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