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Last reply May 21, 2024 · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

Better get Netflix for NFL on Xmas

Netflix got the NFL games on Xmas

2024 NFL schedule surprise: Netflix lands rights to NFL's two Christmas games as part of three-year deal

Netflix will soon be airing an NFL game for the first time

www.cbssports.com

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Teehar

May 17, 2024

Knew this was coming years ago.We still have prime for TNF and Peacock on a promotional deal.I dropped Netflix the second they started raising rates through the roof.I have no desire to add netflix back just for a couple of Christmas day games.If you are in the local DMA of either of the teams playing you will be able to get it via ota.

Bruce

May 17, 2024

Teehar said:
Knew this was coming years ago.We still have prime for TNF and Peacock on a promotional deal.I dropped Netflix the second they started raising rates through the roof.I have no desire to add netflix back just for a couple of Christmas day games.If you are in the local DMA of either of the teams playing you will be able to get it via ota.

By the next big rights deal (expires in 2033), doubtful the Networks would be able to afford the NFL ( and are still there), which explains why the NFL really wanted to get in bed with Netflix.

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zippyfrog

May 18, 2024

Bruce said:
By the next big rights deal (expires in 2033), doubtful the Networks would be able to afford the NFL ( and are still there), which explains why the NFL really wanted to get in bed with Netflix.

And there is talk that the NFL will opt out of the current deal 4 years early - at the end of the 2029 season - and renegotiate deals.

Get ready for all NFL broadcast deals to be scrapped as of 2029

NFL will surely pull plug four years early on current TV contracts.

www.nbcsports.com

At that point, will the streamers be flighting for more live sports content? I could see it. This article talks about all the special event days being sold separately - Thanksgiving games, opening night, etc to the highest bidder.

Bruce

May 19, 2024

zippyfrog said:
And there is talk that the NFL will opt out of the current deal 4 years early - at the end of the 2029 season - and renegotiate deals.

At that point, will the streamers be flighting for more live sports content? I could see it. This article talks about all the special event days being sold separately - Thanksgiving games, opening night, etc to the highest bidder.

Jimbo said:
I too find it ridiculous that to follow ones team you know have to have 4 or more services.

There is no way the Broadcast Networks will be able to afford a new rights agreement in 2029.

First, they probably will be double what they are today, by 2029, an extreme loss in per sub fees because of cord cutting and Pay Live TV services shutting down, the revenue will not be there.

Then advertising, which is a lot worse then they are letting on, was $60 Billion for ads when Broadcast/Cable had about 100 Million Households subscribing to Pay Live TV, now that there are only 70 Million and dropping, 5 million last year, 6 million this year and that is still after the estimated gains by YTTV.

Then we have streaming services that did not exists when Pay Live TV had that many subs, which has been pulling ads from Broadcast/Cable Channels.

for example-

Even with expected higher TV revenues from the Paris Olympics and the presidential political advertising season, 2024 national TV advertising is projected to decline 2.6% to $27.6 billion, according to MoffettNathanson Research.

According to Television News Daily, which reported on MoffettNathanson's findings, things won't get much better in 2025, especially with no Olympics or political advertising bumps. National TV is expected to decline another 12.3% to $24.2 billion.

Imagine what it will be in 2029.

Networks will not have the revenue needed to pay that much more in fees, doubtful they would have enough to pay the current deal by 2029.

Competitive Info: National Linear TV Revenue To Decline.

Even with expected higher TV revenues from the Paris Olympics and the presidential political advertising season, 2024 national TV advertising is projected to decline 2.6% to $27.6 billion, according to

www.insideradio.com

comfortably_numb

May 19, 2024

My takeaway from the comments on the article:

People gripe and complain about games being streamed across multiple providers, but when it comes down to it they still pay up.

The profit machine will keep grinding until people choose not to pay!

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savarese04

May 19, 2024

comfortably_numb said:
People gripe and complain about games being streamed across multiple providers, but when it comes down to it they still pay up.

This is probably the most accurate statement in this entire thread. Americans LOVE to complain, but when it comes down to it, they will pony up. It's just a lousy game of chicken where you already know the subscriber will blink first,

what is curious is WHY a service would want the NFL. For Peacock, it got them a massive wave of customers at a reduced cost per acquisition. Yeah, they paid a lot for that game, but in the end, it was a lot cheaper than the year(s) of grinding for the same number of subs. For Netflix, they already are the biggest game in town. The reason they are not reporting subs anymore is not due to some altruistic focus on content/profit thing, it's purely because they know there is a finite number of people that can/will be able to subscribe to Netflix. They definitely believe they are reaching that point.

My thinking is that getting the NFL is not going to appreciably get them more subs. However, it may keep them from churning subs as they start to cut back on their content engine. I have been thinking of getting rid of Netflix myself as it is my least watched subscription service and most expensive bill. I can only imagine there are more like me out there.

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Bruce

May 19, 2024

savarese04 said:
what is curious is WHY a service would want the NFL. For Peacock, it got them a massive wave of customers at a reduced cost per acquisition. Yeah, they paid a lot for that game, but in the end, it was a lot cheaper than the year(s) of grinding for the same number of subs. For Netflix, they already are the biggest game in town.

There are still plenty of subscribers for Netflix to go after, they have about 75 Million households in the United States ( out of 131 Million).

The same answer for worldwide.

savarese04 said:
The reason they are not reporting subs

not until 2025, most believe that will not happen, a lot of pushback from investors/share holders.

savarese04 said:
anymore is not due to some altruistic focus on content/profit thing, it's purely because they know there is a finite number of people that can/will be able to subscribe to Netflix.

Finite yes, but still growing.

savarese04 said:
My thinking is that getting the NFL is not going to appreciably get them more subs.

I do, still a lot of potential subscribers out there, the sports market is untouched by Netflix, quite telling for now and the future they are going after the rights for the most popular sport in the US, that also comes with the potential of growth from the Global Market.

savarese04 said:
However, it may keep them from churning subs as they start to cut back on their content engine. I have been thinking of getting rid of Netflix myself as it is my least watched subscription service and most expensive bill. I can only imagine there are more like me out there.

I have heard that so much, here and other forums, yet they keep going up in subscribers.

The last time was when they stopped password sharing , so many posts here, AVS, reddit, etc.

All claimed they were going to end service, quarterly report came out, big increase, the rest of the following quarters were the same, big increases.

But, there is always something on Netflix I wish to watch, about 2 years behind on new content with the service.

Joe The Dragon

May 21, 2024

Bruce said:
There is no way the Broadcast Networks will be able to afford a new rights agreement in 2029.

First, they probably will be double what they are today, by 2029, an extreme loss in per sub fees because of cord cutting and Pay Live TV services shutting down, the revenue will not be there.

Will the cable co have an $20 broadcast basic package with $0-$40 local fee the very market to market?

Will some cable cos try to find an way to force internet only subs to get broadcast basic?

Now will local teams try to get control over there own games in there local markets? Like how it works with the MLB, NBA, NHL?

Yespage

May 21, 2024

Bruce said:
There is no way the Broadcast Networks will be able to afford a new rights agreement in 2029.

First, they probably will be double what they are today, by 2029, an extreme loss in per sub fees because of cord cutting and Pay Live TV services shutting down, the revenue will not be there.

I venture to guess that 2029 is too far away to guess any of this. At that point, we might have just two competing streaming options Global Megacorp (Google's service) and Mega Global Corp (Disney's service) after all the merging is completed.

We can safely assume the cable distribution is unlike it is today and Sat distribution is limited to just the few areas capable of receiving Sat signals from the sky after the Musk induced Kessler Incident. But entertainment production and streaming is highly volatile at the moment. So how the NFL deals are managed in 2029 is sci-fi at the moment. Streaming will be a common distribution model, but the impact on OTA is unknown.

Bruce

May 21, 2024

Joe The Dragon said:
Will the cable co have an $20 broadcast basic package with $0-$40 local fee the very market to market?

Do you mean the locals only deal that Comcast offers, where they then add the broadcast channels fee to it, plus the other fees and taxes, makes it then more then YTTV?

Joe The Dragon said:
Will some cable cos try to find a way to force internet only subs to get broadcast basic?

Why?

Joe The Dragon said:
Now will local teams try to get control over there own games in there local markets? Like how it works with the MLB, NBA, NHL?

All I have wrote, it is ignorance to believe rules/laws cannot be changed.

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teachtom

58 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Problem when I switch from Bonus View channels back to regular Dish channels

Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks

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Last reply Today at 2:19 PM · posted in What's Cooking?

What's For Lunch?

We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so...

Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...

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TRG

Monday at 3:34 PM

Pork shoulder, refried beans, cheddar and chopped green chile burrito with a pint of pale ale.

Its nice being able to have a pint with lunch during the week or whenever. I've been enjoying the retired life.

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dfergie

Monday at 4:27 PM

TRG said:
Pork shoulder, refried beans, cheddar and chopped green chile burrito with a pint of pale ale.

Its nice being able to have a pint with lunch during the week or whenever. I've been enjoying the retired life.

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Congrats! I love retirement, no wake ups, no e-mails...
Leftovers for lunch, bacon wrapped salmon fillet from Saturday and a KFC thigh from Friday, Tea.

I've been retired since October. It was very strange at first. But I'm loving it now.

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Creamy flat chicken enchiladas with green chile, beans and rice.

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I had a very unusual but delicious 1/4lb hotdog with cream cheese, raspberry preserves and chopped Hatch green chile. It is an unlikely combination but it works.

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N5XZS

Last reply Today at 2:08 PM · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info

New low power station with CP has been granted. "Albuquerque "

New low power station has been granted by the FCC and the new call leter is K33OB-D on RF ch. 33.

Will run at 15 KW ERP, this one runs from the Westside same location as KWPL-LD a HC2 owned station.

It's going to be aimed at eastern part of Albuquerque, so it's tightly focused beam pattern.

This new station is owned by Digital Network and what kind of programmings is unkown at this time.

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N5XZS

Yesterday at 4:51 PM

Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets on like the Rev'n, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station. :hatsoff2

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comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 4:54 PM

N5XZS said:
Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets like Revn, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station.

I watch MovieSphere Gold channel a lot. Many recent movies on that digitnet

N5XZS

Yesterday at 4:59 PM

Yes that's a good channel MovieSphere, only thing is the missing CC on it.

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comfortably_numb

Today at 1:35 AM

According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

FCCInfo Results

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primestar31

Today at 2:08 PM

comfortably_numb said:
According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

FCCInfo Results

FCC Info is a Radio and Television Station Search Engine provided by Cavell, Mertz & Associates, Inc.

www.fccinfo.com

Many of these in my DMA are on cell towers, so don't always reach very far because the towers aren't very high.

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zippyfrog

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Last reply Today at 1:28 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Price Increase on Owned Equipment?

Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?

As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.

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zippyfrog

Today at 11:29 AM

However, when I make a change (tried to add the Columbian pack for $2 so I could generate my bill) and there is a new line - it says "Access for TV" - whereas previously that line item was not there. I hope they aren't charging $5.00 for the initial TV now...

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telstar_1

Today at 11:45 AM

Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees

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zippyfrog

Today at 12:34 PM

telstar_1 said:
Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees

Possibly. In theory, $9 of the base pack has a rental fee built in. But now is this $5 a chance to get a little more? I don't know for sure. According to chat, it is a glitch and will be resolved in a timely manner, but we shall see. Part of my thinks there is a going to be a new charge, whether it is now or this fall. Here in Illinois, the law requires we are given 30 days notice of any fee changes, but I have not been given anything.

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MikeD-C05

Today at 1:11 PM

These fees are why streaming has caught on so well across the country and DISH is losing subs each quarter. Soon won't be enough subs to be profitable.

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telstar_1

Today at 1:28 PM

Does cable charge box rent?

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Bruce

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Last reply Today at 1:16 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Satellite now under 5 Million subscribers/Sling under 2 Million.

With the 1st Quarter Report just released, Dish lost another 180,000, now at 4.84 Million.

Sling now at 1.79 million subscribers, down approximately 190,000.

For comparison, YouTube TV now has about double the subscribers of Dish and Sling combined.

DISH & Sling TV Lost Over 366,000 TV Subscribers In Just 3 Months | Cord Cutters News

EchoStar Corporation, the owner of the DISH Network satellite television service and the Sling TV streaming platform, continued to experience steep declines in its pay-television customer base during the first three months of 2026. The company reported a net loss of approximately 366,000 pay-TV...

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fmj77

May 11, 2026

I'm surprised Dish still has that many subscribers. I don't know a single person in my area that is still with them after getting either Starlink or fiber at their home. They all cancelled Dish and went with streaming. I used to get offers pretty regularly in the mail to come back to Dish, but no more. Haven't seen one in a couple of years now.

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Bruce

May 11, 2026

fmj77 said:
I'm surprised Dish still has that many subscribers. I don't know a single person in my area that is still with them after getting either Starlink or fiber at their home. They all cancelled Dish and went with streaming. I used to get offers pretty regularly in the mail to come back to Dish, but no more. Haven't seen one in a couple of years now.

Only about 3.6% of Households in the United States, still have Dish Network.

For comparison, YouTube TV has about 10%.

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Yespage

May 18, 2026

$25 a month for 1 gig, for two years with Spectrum. I'd be darned that their router was MUCH better than AT&T's. I didn't realize that what I thought was something else was the bloody router. Those buffering issues stopped when I swapped... after AT&T refused to lower my bill, after 25 years of high speed internet service. They wanted $80 or so a month for 1 gig, with no drop to a lower speed.

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telstar_1

Jun 2, 2026

I despise that most of all. I'm going to talk to a remote?

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tsunami2311

Friday at 11:03 PM

Yespage said:
$25 a month for 1 gig, for two years with Spectrum. I'd be darned that their router was MUCH better than AT&T's. I didn't realize that what I thought was something else was the bloody router. Those buffering issues stopped when I swapped... after AT&T refused to lower my bill, after 25 years of high speed internet service. They wanted $80 or so a month for 1 gig, with no drop to a lower speed.

1gbit up and down here from att start out great was suppose to be $60 for life of service, with years time it went back up to $80 I complained about they gave us $49 for year which about to end, I Wonder what prices will be when it "up" I in no way like ATT fiber service there DNS that are hardcode and unchange able in the router are some WORSE DNS I ever used. you know how much of pain it is to change DNS setting on EVERY single wireless device...

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mwdxer1

Saturday at 3:08 AM

Bruce said:
Only about 3.6% of Households in the United States, still have Dish Network.

For comparison, YouTube TV has about 10%.

I dropped Dish a couple years back after having them for 25 years. The pricing got higher and after we got high speed internet, I watched it less and less. It got to the point all I watched was TCM for classic movies. Many of them are on You Tube now and a Premium subscription is $14 a month. A far cry of the $100 a month was paying with AT180, Supers, and locals. I get locals OTA anyway. I took down the dish several months ago and tossed it. I owned all my my equipment, so nothing to return. Do I miss a traditional cable type service? No way. If I want one I have all of the free live streaming with Roku, the Fire Stick, as well as Google TV. Right now as I type this, I am watching episodes of "The Midnight Special" from 1976 on You Tube, ad free. Dish was fine for many years. I do not regret buying the equipment and installing it myself (No installers in 1999). I enjoyed Dish for many years. My thoughts, Dish & Direct will be forced to merge in time, or they both will be gone. Even cable companies are getting out of TV. Some are only selling the internet and phone packages.

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tanman

Sunday at 12:01 PM

telstar_1 said:
I despise that most of all. I'm going to talk to a remote?

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nelson61

Monday at 8:20 PM

A lot of it flows back to the 4 big networks.
Cable and satellite are their money tree.

But, in reality, each market need 1 or perhaps 2 news feeds - not 4 or more

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MikeD-C05

Today at 1:16 PM

nelson61 said:
A lot of it flows back to the 4 big networks.
Cable and satellite are their money tree.

But, in reality, each market need 1 or perhaps 2 news feeds - not 4 or more

In my area we get 2 news feeds spread over 4 local stations.
ABC/NBC (TEGNA)
Same news cast simulcast over both channels.

CBS/Fox (Sinclair)
Same news casters at 5pm, 6pm, 10pm.
Fox shows an hour at 9pm but same news casters.

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