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Bruce said:

Yep-

YouTube TV Reaches Carriage Renewal With Paramount Global, Averting Blackout Of CBS And 22 Other Networks

Paramount Global and YouTube TV reached a carriage renewal, averting the blackout of 23 networks including CBS, Comedy Central and Nickelodeon.

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Get ready for another price hike.

Radioguy41 said:

Get ready for another price hike.

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On top of the last one they just had? Sounds like to me You tube TV has turned into streaming cable. No more use to me if they are fighting over locals again. Now if find a way to separate the locals from the rest of the channels and make then an add on , I can see them still being of some use. I still have TABLO for ota recording and don't need locals.

MikeD-C05 said:

On top of the last one they just had? Sounds like to me You tube TV has turned into streaming cable. No more use to me if they are fighting over locals again. Now if find a way to separate the locals from the rest of the channels and make then an add on , I can see them still being of some use. I still have TABLO for ota recording and don't need locals.

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It wasn't just locals it was all Paramount owned channels like Comedy Central, Paramount network and a bunch of others. Plus it was all CBS locals even 3rd party owned locals as the networks negotiate carriage contracts for all locals including 3rd party owned locals with the streaming vMVPD services.

b4pjoe said:

It wasn't just locals it was all Paramount owned channels like Comedy Central, Paramount network and a bunch of others. Plus it was all CBS locals even 3rd party owned locals as the networks negotiate carriage contracts for all locals including 3rd party owned locals with the streaming vMVPD services.

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Still fighting over carriage of any channel makes it just like Cable /satellite. That is the reason why people went to streaming in the first place.

MikeD-C05 said:

Still fighting over carriage of any channel makes it just like Cable /satellite. That is the reason why people went to streaming in the first place.

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People that went over to streaming, using the on demand services, do not have to worry about contract disputes.

Still have CBS, both live and on demand via Paramount+.

Bruce said:

People that went over to streaming, using the on demand services, do not have to worry about contract disputes.

Still have CBS, both live and on demand via Paramount+.

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Wait, What ????

So we never have to worry about not having our favorite Streaming service because of Contract disputes ????

Jimbo said:

Wait, What ????

So we never have to worry about not having our favorite Streaming service because of Contract disputes ????

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When you sub directly to CBS/Paramount+, who would the dispute be with?

meStevo said:

When you sub directly to CBS/Paramount+, who would the dispute be with?

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3rd party owned local CBS affiliates. I questioned that on the previous page of this thread but people seem to think if those 3rd party locals wouldn't renew they would no longer be CBS affiliates. I am skeptical about that but I don't have a copy of their contract with Paramount+.

meStevo said:

When you sub directly to CBS/Paramount+, who would the dispute be with?

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You think they won't be raising prices .... and they have more channels that just CBS, right ?

Jimbo said:

You think they won't be raising prices

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Everybody raises prices every year, but Cable/Satellite are raising them a larger amount.

I just looked, the 3 Price increases that Charter and DirecTV had in 2 years (two in 2023, one in 2024) was about $20 total, Comcast same 3 increases in 2 years, was about $25-30 more.

Also with those increases, you are receiving less and less new content.

Jimbo said:

.... and they have more channels that just CBS, right ?

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Who cares about channels, the vast majority of them are nothing but reruns, that same content you could receive for free from the Pluto TV type services.

I get all the vast majority of new content from Traditional TV, plus all the new streaming content, shows and movies, for under $80 a month, that includes Paramount, Peacock, Hulu, Disney, Apple TV, AMC, HBO (MAX), Showtime and Netflix.

Bruce said:

Everybody raises prices every year, but Cable/Satellite are raising them a larger amount.

I just looked, the 3 Price increases that Charter and DirecTV had in 2 years (two in 2023, one in 2024) was about $20 total, Comcast same 3 increases in 2 years, was about $25-30 more.

Also with those increases, you are receiving less and less new content.

Who cares about channels, the vast majority of them are nothing but reruns, that same content you could receive for free from the Pluto TV type services.

I get all the vast majority of new content from Traditional TV, plus all the new streaming content, shows and movies, for under $80 a month, that includes Paramount, Peacock, Hulu, Disney, Apple TV, AMC, HBO (MAX), Showtime and Netflix.

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Good for you Mr. Discount.

Who cares about Channels ????
Nothing but Reruns ????

You realize that these Pluto's and Fubos and whatnot that people are watching are RE RUNS

Theres a whole tread out here that asks what show pulls you back in, those are Re Runs.

Jimbo said:

You realize that these Pluto's and Fubos and whatnot that people are watching are RE RUNS

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that's literally what he said - you can get Pluto or Fubo for free with the same re runs and the same ads that you would get on paid tv

savarese04 said:

that's literally what he said - you can get Pluto or Fubo for free with the same re runs and the same ads that you would get on paid tv

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Exactly, yet we continually get told that no one watches (reruns) them.

Jimbo said:

Exactly, yet we continually get told that no one watches (reruns) them.

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Where did I post that?

All I said was, those reruns are available for free on the Pluto TV type services, both live and On Demand.

Personally, I want new content, which the streaming services provide, so much of, I cannot catch up.

But the point I was making, that monthly Pay Live TV bill used to include a lot more new content, but Cable Channels that had new content, have either cut way back (FX, AMC) or stopped altogether (USA, TNT).

There are a lot more channels that are nothing but reruns.

Yet that monthly bill keeps going up a lot more than the streaming services.

I also hate paying twice for the same content, for example, why pay for CBS/Paramount Channels on Pay Live TV, when I receive that same content and a lot more, both Live and On Demand, in better Video/Sound quality, on Paramount+.

b4pjoe said:

3rd party owned local CBS affiliates. I questioned that on the previous page of this thread but people seem to think if those 3rd party locals wouldn't renew they would no longer be CBS affiliates. I am skeptical about that but I don't have a copy of their contract with Paramount+.

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Well, if your third-party-owned CBS station goes out of business or ends their contract with CBS, then it would no longer be on Paramount+. Of course, it also wouldn't carry CBS content OTA or on MVPDs either. Not saying it couldn't happen, but I suspect another station would step up pretty quickly to fill the void by signing on with CBS as an affiliate.

However, I don't think that is what you mean. I think you mean the local CBS affiliate, such as the one in my market, WNCN (a Nextar station), decides they don't want their channel streamed on Paramount+ unless they get more money, so it gets pulled. I don't know that won't happen, but here is why I think it is unlikely: the streaming rights are held by CBS and not the station as part of the affiliate agreement. So, if WNCN decides it doesn't want their channel streamed, they lose the entire affiliation. No more CBS content for WNCN at that point, period. It isn't even a dispute at that point. It is a take it or leave it situation. Given the only growth (and I use that term loosely) in live audience for local stations is coming from streaming while all other sources are shrinking, I don't think they would risk losing affiliation over it, especially when the viewer data is so much better for streaming. When the agreement comes back up for negotiation, they may try to play hardball, but CBS really holds all the cards.

I also suspect CBS would substitute a national feed in market where that were to happen, given that is what they've done when there were technical issues with a feed in the past. My wife likes to watch Survivor live, and we got the NYC channel one time when WNCN was having problems supplying the feed.

Bruce said:

Where did I post that?

All I said was, those reruns are available for free on the Pluto TV type services, both live and On Demand.

Personally, I want new content, which the streaming services provide, so much of, I cannot catch up.

But the point I was making, that monthly Pay Live TV bill used to include a lot more new content, but Cable Channels that had new content, have either cut way back (FX, AMC) or stopped altogether (USA, TNT).

There are a lot more channels that are nothing but reruns.

Yet that monthly bill keeps going up a lot more than the streaming services.

I also hate paying twice for the same content, for example, why pay for CBS/Paramount Channels on Pay Live TV, when I receive that same content and a lot more, both Live and On Demand, in better Video/Sound quality, on Paramount+.

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Paramount+ does not carry our local CBS outlet.

NYDutch said:

Paramount+ does not carry our local CBS outlet.

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What is your local CBS station? Do you have the plan that includes Showtime?

NYDutch said:

Paramount+ does not carry our local CBS outlet.

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Do you sub to Paramount+ with Showtime? You have to sub to the Showtime part as well to get the local CBS station.

ncted said:

What is your local CBS station? Do you have the plan that includes Showtime?

Paramount+ Help Center

help.paramountplus.com

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WRGB Channel 6. No, I do not have Showtime. Thanks for the link, that explains it.