Social Feed

sat_cat_25
Last reply · posted in FTA Receiver / Equipment Support
The DM2800 H-H motor is capable of handling a 1.2m GeoSatPro offset dish, but it may take some work to get it to point reliably. The large amount of mechanical lash, backlash or "slop" in the positioner will make it difficult to aim properly. I struggled with this for a few weeks before deciding to tackle the root problem once and for all.
IMG_2293.JPG

The slop allows the dish to tilt up and down and rotate side to side. A stiff wind can easily blow you off target. At max elevation (due south) the slop makes peaking the dish unrepeatable. And near the ends of the arc, the weight of the dish will take up the gear slop and point you further E or W than you expect to be based on the USALS calculated position.

The manual mentions a simple screw adjustment that will make the worm gear mesh tighter with the plastic bull gear on the output shaft. This may make some improvement, but you will quickly find that it increases friction to the point that the little motor either 1)won't turn the 1.2m dish or 2)won't pull it back up from E or W. Most of the slop is NOT due to this gear interface anyway.
wedge adjustment.jpg


Below are a few things I did to completely remove all mechanical slop or play in the mount.

bent arm connection.jpg

jb weld.jpg


The above made a huge improvement. But it still wasn't rock solid. I was missing the hidden adjustment below.
worm gear side to side.jpg


The pole mount bracket that this thing comes with is also junk. It makes it hard to make small azimuth adjustments, and the simple act of tightening the mount will move the azimuth. I took an old 1.2m Prodelin mount and bolted on the side plates that came with the DM2800 bracket.
IMG_2335.JPG


This thing is rock solid now. Enjoy.
8 Replies · 940 views
T
This post was very helpful, but I made some slight changes:

1) Instead of using JB weld, I used a thin shim of aluminum cut from a Red Bull can (they're thinner than most soda cans.) It was about 20 cm by 10 cm. Place it before you mount the arm, and made sure it's staying in place and you're not driving it into the bearing when you mount the arm.

2) Properly tightening the through-bolt CAN work, as the mounting arm is split. The shim helps push the halves apart, so proper bolt tightening actually results in compression of the arm halves into the soft shim and onto the drive lug. You'll draw the two halves closer together - BUT it has to be done properly. The drive axle is threaded, so first you must tighten the through bolt into the drive axle threads using a 6mm allen wrench. That draws one half flush with the drive lug. THEN you must tighten the nut onto the bolt using a thin walled 13mm socket - that draws the other half flush. Improper tightening in the wrong order will definitely lead to slop. This method allows you to remove the mounting arm from the drive axle in the future if you need to service it yourself.

3) I didn't need to tighten the long adjustment screw to draw the worm gear assembly ends together. I didn't find slop there.

Using these methods, I was able to reduce the slop to less than I could perceive by manual handling and twisting of the motor. No more slight 'click;click' as I twist the mounting arm.

A side note: I found the plane of rotation of the motor didn't match the etched markings for the elevation angle on the supplied mount. I found I needed to reduce it by about 0.8 degrees more than what the markings showed.
A
a33
A side note: I found the plane of rotation of the motor didn't match the etched markings for the elevation angle on the supplied mount. I found I needed to reduce it by about 0.8 degrees more than what the markings showed.

to reduce it by about 0.8 degrees more... so less elevation, or more elevation? It is formulated somewhat confusing to me...

By the way: 0.8 Degrees less axis elevation might also partly be caused by the needed forward axis tilt angle of about 0.6 degrees (for latitudes between about 30 and 50), of the so-called 'modified motor angles'.
With those you can follow the Clarke Belt better than with the 'traditional motor angles'.

In that case you have aligned the angles very well. :) :)

Greetz,
A33
  • Like
Reactions: sat_cat_25
T
to reduce it by about 0.8 degrees more... so less elevation, or more elevation? It is formulated somewhat confusing to me...

By the way: 0.8 Degrees less axis elevation might also partly be caused by the needed forward axis tilt angle of about 0.6 degrees (for latitudes between about 30 and 50), of the so-called 'modified motor angles'.
With those you can follow the Clarke Belt better than with the 'traditional motor angles'.

In that case you have aligned the angles very well. :) :)

Greetz,
A33
Somehow, english is no longer my first language when I've been working long hours.

The answer is - it depends on which scale you use (they're opposite on each side of the mount.) I'm at about latitude 36, but I read the 54 degree scale because it's the one I can reach easily without maneuvering around to the other side. So '54' was in my head and small brain produced the words 'reduce more.'
I have it set at 53.2. That means the other side should read 36.8, if I bothered to worm my way around to the other side. That's really a bogus number, because the scale is much more coarse than that. Claiming that I can read tenths on those thick lines is silly.
What I can confirm is that the plane of the rotation of the motor is correct, and it doesn't match the stamped scale exactly. I strongly suspect that someone else using the same mount may find a different error depending on how well the scale stamper was aligned on that day. I should also note that the plane of rotation of the motor is not parallel to the main surface of the case - it's sloped. It's parallel to the case half join lines.
In any case, get out your digital level and confirm.

The dish is in a non-permanent location without good H-H visibility, so I'm not sure how well I'm following the belt. I'll find out when I get it up on the roof next month and have true H-H visibility and I can measure angles at opposite ends of the dish arc.

There is still a very small amount of slop, but that's just part of the rest of the dish mount. I added a fine-tune addition to my dish movement script, and it checks each side of the expected position in 0.1 degree steps for the best signal. Before I took out the slop, the correction could vary by 0.5 degrees from one movement on one day to another. Now I find it's consistent within +/- 0.1 degree. I'm estimating the 0.1 step; it's likely a bit smaller than that. Every little bit helps.
sat_cat_25
I added a fine-tune addition to my dish movement script, and it checks each side of the expected position in 0.1 degree steps for the best signal.
Script? Tell me more about this controller. Home built? Arduino or ?

I recently built three Arduino based dish positioners that control the actuators, take feedback from az and el absolute encoders, and has a web interface to monitor/control it all.
  • Like
Reactions: lost_mesa
T
Script? Tell me more about this controller. Home built? Arduino or ?

I recently built three Arduino based dish positioners that control the actuators, take feedback from az and el absolute encoders, and has a web interface to monitor/control it all.
Sorry, I thought it was in this thread...but it's in the other thread.

It's a TBS6909X in a linux box that is waaay overkill, but the server does a lot of other things for me as well. It had an empty slot and I could relocate it to be within a 8m cable run of the dish, so it now also runs the dish.

I've reused some open source dvb code but a significant chunk of it has been rewritten to serve my particular needs. The algo for the fine tune is pretty straightforward:
Go to your reference point using USALS.
Move 0.1 degree farther from center. I used timed pulses. At 2.9 degrees per second with 18V, I decided on a 25ms pulse. You can feel the motor emit a 'click' (1/40th of a second!) when it moves, but you can't really see the dish move. But on weak TPs, you'll see the difference at each step.
Move away from center until the signal on your favorite TP degrades (which may be immediately, but keep going until it does.)
Once the signal drops, start moving back up in 25ms pulses. The signal should start increasing on each step. As soon at it drops on the other side of peak, move back 25ms and stop.
It takes a few extra seconds, but I can get better locks in worse conditions, and it's just built into my script to move to a new bird. I don't notice it.
I haven't built an elevation controller yet, but I'd like to.

I'm building the web page monitor/controller for the whole system this weekend.
  • Like
Reactions: sat_cat_25
T
Also, the shim was 20mm by 10mm. Duh. Funny how the brain works at 5am: "I made a typo on that post 2 days ago..."
A
a33
What I can confirm is that the plane of the rotation of the motor is correct, ...

How did you check this?

Because it looks like you are not sure yet that you are following the Clarke Belt correctly (which would be the ultimate proof that you have the axis-elevation/rotation-plane set optimally):
... I'm not sure how well I'm following the belt. I'll find out when I get it up on the roof next month and have true H-H visibility


Did you check with an inclinometer or so?
Checked against 'latitude angle', or against 'modified latitude angle' (see my post about the 'forward axis tilt', above)?


BTW. Nice, this precision alignment! :)

Greetz,
A33
  • Like
Reactions: sat_cat_25
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Wasn't exactly sure where to post this. Just had a customer come in inquiring about internet. He has HughesNet and had heard good things about mine. He asked if we provided email addresses and it kinda caught me off guard. I said he should be able to keep whatever email he had been using....my sister in law is still using a BellSouth email addy and they haven't been around here for many years. He said he had gotten a letter from HughesNet stating that they had until Nov 16th to save, move, forward, whatever, their Hughesnet emails because they would lose them after that date.

I have never heard of a company simply mass-deleting email accounts (the customer still has his HughesNet service). From what I understand, in the past, the company who was ditching their email service simply sold the customer base to a company like Google.

Anyone else getting this letter. He said he would show it to me tomorrow when I go out there and set up his internet.
6 Replies · 74 views
Foxbat
Doing a Google of the HughesNet Email notice, it seems that HughesNet has been trying to eliminate hosting emails since 2019. And with HughesNet filing Chapter 11 back in August, it would be a smart move to switch to a more stable Email provider. Even AT&T farmed out their Email to Yahoo! years ago.

SpaceX's Starlink and the Cellular 5G Home Internet solutions have pretty much relegated HughesNet and its high latency, low bandwidth Internet service to History. If Earth had shorter days, maybe a Geostationary Internet Solution might have stood a fighting chance…
dishstaller
Well, I helped him set up a gmail acct....I actually wanted to see what the new process is for setting up a gmail acct since it had been years since I set mine up. Anyway, I showed him how to forward the emails he wanted to keep over.
navychop
If Earth had shorter days,

Wouldn't we then die of old age sooner?

🙄
  • Wow
Reactions: Bobby
Foxbat
Wouldn't we then die of old age sooner?

🙄
Still the same number of years, just more Sunsets…😉
K
Even AT&T farmed out their Email to Yahoo! years ago.

I still have one of those although I've been trying to wean myself off it.
JSheridan
Among my many email accounts I still have a .netscape.net which AOL assimilated a while back.
dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in TV Shows
Hard getting used to the new younger Gibbs, Mark Harmons son had the right look but I understand he didn't want the role.
Still I'm enjoying, pretty good job with Franks.
62 Replies · 4165 views
  • Like
Reactions: MikeD-C05
"MysteryMan"
Best episode ever.
  • Like
Reactions: dfergie
Jimbo
Best episode ever.
I actually think the very first episode was One of the Best ...
S1 E1 Yankee White
Where it all started in what was it, 2003 ?

edit:
Sorry, I got the shows mixed up, were talking Origins ...
I've liked Most of them once we've gotten past the 1st 3-4, getting to know who was who took a bit in the beginning.
It's a bit harder seeing we already Know the person, then go back and see how they became that person.
  • Like
Reactions: dfergie
KAB
KAB
Mark Harmon is coming back as Gibbs in Origins, for the full season. Just saw, Dinozzo too, on NCIS . That will be an interesting writing project.
dfergie
Really good one with OG Gibbs bookending it...
R
Really good one with OG Gibbs bookending it...
Will the OG Gibbs be on NCIS or will Tony be on NCIS Origins?
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
68491 Replies · 2670105 views
  • Like
Reactions: c-spand
H
Rick Island LINE-Johnny Cash
  • Like
Reactions: ClarkGable
ClarkGable
Rock And Roll All Nite - Kiss
harshness
Rock and Roll Ain't Noise Pollution - AC/DC
Bobby
Kiss - The Art Of Noise
long_time_Dish
Beautiful Noise - Neil Diamond
TheRatPatrol
Last reply · posted in TV Shows
Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
2130 Replies · 214627 views
Jimbo

Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
  • Like
Reactions: Howard Simmons
Howard Simmons
Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
Tony as the director.🙄
Jimbo
Tony as the director.🙄
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
dfergie
I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
H
Last reply · posted in FTA Receiver / Equipment Support
I just received 6 receiver 2 port mini Multiswitch and it work great, no external power need it, and you can connect 6 receiver instead of 4 on most Mini Multiswitches... If anyone is interested in where they can get one PM me....
IMG_1786.webp
3 Replies · 52 views
Titanium
Have you tested using external power? Over the years, have found unpowered polarity switching to be unreliable. Especially problematic when used with DiSEqC motors or switch stacking.
H
No I have not. I just got it the other day and it is connected to six receivers working just fine. What I do is non power mini multi-switches work best with LNBF's and with LNB's
H
It also has a IPS and a OPS switch on the side of it with a power led light showing when is on. It seems to be very nice build switch
Bobby
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
761 Replies · 166957 views
Bobby
MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Wednesday 10-14, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-02.
  • Like
Reactions: charlesrshell
Bobby
MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Thursday 10-15, 6PM PDT, Channel 148-02.
  • Like
Reactions: charlesrshell
Bobby
CFB, Notre Dame at BYU, Saturday 10-27, 4:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.
Bobby
NASCAR, Freeway Insurance 500, Sunday 10-18, 12PM PDT, Channel 148-04.
Bobby
CFB, Ohio State at Indiana, Saturday 10-17, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona State at Texas Tech, Saturday 10-17, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
  • Like
Reactions: charlesrshell
Former member 209992
Last reply · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center
For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
524 Replies · 17842 views
  • Like
Reactions: charlesrshell
Foxbat
Yeah. It's probably something going on with the MacBook as my iPhone has been pretty snappy.
  • Like
Reactions: charlesrshell
Scott Greczkowski
I have been optimizing the site the past few days... and got us here now. :) We are rocking now!

Screenshot 2026-10-15 144737.webp
Foxbat
Yeah. It's probably something going on with the MacBook as my iPhone has been pretty snappy.
I rebooted my MacBook Air and it's zipping right along. Sorry, but it was taking over 20 seconds to load pages, with the pulsing blue bars so it was munching on something.
  • Like
Reactions: charlesrshell
Scott Greczkowski
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
Foxbat
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Can't help but wonder if a worker overlooked checking the harness. I rarely ride a roller coaster anymore but when I do I check the harness myself pretty aggressively.
Can't imagine what the son is going through.

22 Replies · 182 views
Jimbo
Back on the Goliath Roller Coaster ... I'm interested to find more details as well ...
Like where on the track did this happen (somewhere I read that it was on the climb up the top), which is impossible ...

They really need to take that ride and add at the very least, seatbelts ...

The Park is opening back up on Friday, the ride will Not be opening ... personally, I would keep it closed until different type of restraints can be designed and installed (over the winter).

I find it hard to believe that this ride is even allowed to be running with the restraints that exist at the moment, there are other rides that use the same type and they have been shut down across the country.

You got to believe that every ride has at least 2 types of restraint systems in place.

I wonder what and when we will hear from the Manufacturer ... and whatever governing bodies control these ...

Just think, this is a Major Amusement Park .... I would not have any problem getting on the Roller Coasters I have rode ...

Imagine what these County Fairs and others like them, I would not be caught Dead on one of them ... they get put up and tore down every other week, where is the safety for those rides ... No Thank You.
  • Like
Reactions: dishstaller
Jimbo
navychop
I would not be caught Dead on one of them

Yet IF you were on one, you might be caught dead.
dishstaller
Had no idea there were that many redundancies built into those restraints.
Jimbo
Had no idea there were that many redundancies built into those restraints.
It makes sense, however, I would want more types of restraints, so if one doesn't work, the other does ... the restraints coming over the shoulder I would have expected ... with a Seat belt as last resort.

Fwiw, I inquired with what they use on Coasters at Cedar Point, various Coasters, different restraints according to what the car and track requires ...

NONE of the Coasters at CP use THAT particular system :)
I'm glad to see ...
dishstaller
with a Seat belt as last resort.
According to the article, when you see a seat belt on a ride like this, it is basically used as a way of making sure the rider isn't too large/fat to safely ride the ride.
TWiT Tech Podcast Network
· posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network
0 Replies · 9 views