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This morning i was playing around with the 4k joey making sure it worked... it got slow and laggy and it threw off a black screen while in the guide mode it displayed the video in the right hand corner... i tried hitting the back button to try and back out of it and nothing. so i unplugged it and made it go through a reboot after it loaded back up it's fine now... this is the second time i had to do a hard reboot this week on it. i am wondering if it's just starting to fail... just hope it don't go out during the holidays. i have no issues with ordering another joey 4. i did notice the guide likes to freeze now and then as well.. i will more than likely get another joey 4 and cut my losses with this thing 🤔 as it's been said before :rolleyes. Is there a way to check the temp on the joeys as this one gets kinda warm 🤔
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and yes, it does have HDR on all the time.
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and yes, it does have HDR on all the time.
can any twit install a joey 4 as in doing a swap out or will they require a truck roll.. i can see a truck roll if coax needs to be ran...
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can any twit install a joey 4 as in doing a swap out or will they require a truck roll.. i can see a truck roll if coax needs to be ran...
i think the 3rd guy said they would ship me a joey 4 , and i would swap it..
but it was such a mess of conversation with the other 2, i got skeered... lol
might follow up again, if they will ship me the joey 4... not sure i want the hdr flag all the time though, for the new lg G oled at that location.

the joey 4k i think can still do hdr, just doesn't show up in the guide, and its a quirk, to watch a dvr, or join a session from the h3... sort of a work around, not 100% it still works..
the 4k joey is not the snappiest thing either..
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i think the 3rd guy said they would ship me a joey 4 , and i would swap it..
but it was such a mess of conversation with the other 2, i got skeered... lol
might follow up again, if they will ship me the joey 4... not sure i want the hdr flag all the time though, for the new lg G oled at that location.

the joey 4k i think can still do hdr, just doesn't show up in the guide, and its a quirk, to watch a dvr, or join a session from the h3... sort of a work around, not 100% it still works..
the 4k joey is not the snappiest thing either..
a poster on here said it will do 1080i HDR with an internet connection. i want full fledged 4K HDR
we own all of boxes so they tell us to keep em they don't want the old boxes back
After they sent us another 4k joey i wasn't home i seen what i didn't pay for LMFAO i went on there facebook page and told em to cancel my service i wasn't dealing with the clown shows the rep tried fixing it but could not fix it since they didn't have the tools or resources to so they told me to call in and ask for the relationship repair team so i did.. they took care of it and waived the 100 smackers for the joey 4 and said to keep the 4k joey they didn't want it back i own it
have you tried the relationship repair team 🤔
as far as i can gather the 4k joey and the joey 4 have the same processor though it just seems smoother
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if the tech brings anything else other than what you asked for and bought and paid for DO NOT accept it!!! the lower reps will ask if it's been activated ofcourse you say yes it has!!! the lower reps will tell you tuff titties said the kitty it's been activated you own it we don't want it back it's your's you bought it :mad: then they will try and charge you all over again for a joey 4 when it's there screw up:mad:. then the reps will swear up and down the 4k joey is HDR compliant and it's the latest and greatest box :rolleyes 🤔. and be prepared for the upsells you know like a wireless joey and not the joey 4 that you ordered :rolleyes
So much misinformation.
Techs have a work order with the required equipment on it. Techs cannot change it up on a whim, and even if they DO have to modify a WO, the CSR needs the 4-digit security code from the customer to confirm.

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Then the receivers only get activated one way - on the job, by tech, AFTER it's installed on their phone or by CALLING Dish, who will need to confirm the equipment and Receiver and Smart Card numbers.
Or by the Customer on the phone if the customer is doing their own installation.
NO CSR is going to "upsell" a Wireless Joey unless one is needed. Dish highly recommends wired Joeys whenever possible.
Needed, as in, no way to run cable to the location.
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So much misinformation.
Techs have a work order with the required equipment on it. Techs cannot change it up on a whim, and even if they DO have to modify a WO, the CSR needs the 4-digit security code from the customer to confirm.

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Then the receivers only get activated one way - on the job, by tech, AFTER it's installed on their phone or by CALLING Dish, who will need to confirm the equipment and Receiver and Smart Card numbers.
Or by the Customer on the phone if the customer is doing their own installation.
NO CSR is going to "upsell" a Wireless Joey unless one is needed. Dish highly recommends wired Joeys whenever possible.
Needed, as in, no way to run cable to the location.
Yes you guys do have work orders to go by!!! when i was on the phone with dish with the relationship repair dept since the lower reps didn't have the tools to correct the issue.. they have me go into the system info on the box the guy installed. and they verified it was a 4k joey then i told em to look at the work order it should say a joey 4 was bought. the rep did and seen i bought a joey 4 and not the 4k joey.. at that point i was like WTF :mad:. So they waived the charges and sent out someone else with the joey 4 and put it in and said i own the 4k joey and to toss it. I feel that dish should have never activated the 4k joey since it was not what i ordered and it was not on the work order.. even my gf told him the joey 4. he also asked her if we had internet and tried sticking her with a wireless joey she told him no and that we ordered the joey 4!!! i have no clue what this dudes issue was maybe he was new 🤔.. i dunno but the only thing that should happened was a 4k joey should have been replaced with a joey 4!!!
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a poster on here said it will do 1080i HDR with an internet connection. i want full fledged 4K HDR?...........
For sure , 4k with hdr, but I would prefer not hdr full time for regular non hdr programming.. to switch when called vs full time and hdr always on..
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Yes you guys do have work orders to go by!!! when i was on the phone with dish with the relationship repair dept since the lower reps didn't have the tools to correct the issue.. they have me go into the system info on the box the guy installed. and they verified it was a 4k joey then i told em to look at the work order it should say a joey 4 was bought. the rep did and seen i bought a joey 4 and not the 4k joey.. at that point i was like WTF :mad:. So they waived the charges and sent out someone else with the joey 4 and put it in and said i own the 4k joey and to toss it. I feel that dish should have never activated the 4k joey since it was not what i ordered and it was not on the work order.. even my gf told him the joey 4. he also asked her if we had internet and tried sticking her with a wireless joey she told him no and that we ordered the joey 4!!! i have no clue what this dudes issue was maybe he was new 🤔.. i dunno but the only thing that should happened was a 4k joey should have been replaced with a joey 4!!!
Notes may have possibly said Joey 4 but 4k Joey was definitely on the work order as it's impossible to activate a receiver not on the work order. The tech will get a model mismatch error. So if a 4k Joey was installed and activated then that's what was on the work order and no fault of the tech. However the tech should have confirmed what you were getting especially when it comes to a 4k question. When I worked for dish I always questioned if they truly wanted a 4k Joey and 9/10 times they didn't really want/need it so we would modify the work order to fit their needs.
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Notes may have possibly said Joey 4 but 4k Joey was definitely on the work order as it's impossible to activate a receiver not on the work order. The tech will get a model mismatch error. So if a 4k Joey was installed and activated then that's what was on the work order and no fault of the tech. However the tech should have confirmed what you were getting especially when it comes to a 4k question. When I worked for dish I always questioned if they truly wanted a 4k Joey and 9/10 times they didn't really want/need it so we would modify the work order to fit their needs.
When i spoke to the repair dept i did question em as to what was on the work order.. they did say a joey 4!!! he asked if we wanted a wireless joey she told him 4 times that we ordered a joey 4 and that's when he gave us the 4k joey completely different than what was on the work order. he did not question her what so ever!!! i am just trying to figure out what happened 🤔.. like you said if it's not on the work order then it should not have been activated wich is what i thought!!! they did fix it and sent someone else out and replace it since it was there mistake kudos to them for that...
HipKat
she told him 4 times that we ordered a joey 4 and that's when he gave us the 4k joey completely different than what was on the work order.
It's not even possible for that to happen. A tech cannot arbitrarily change a receiver, and a 4K Joey costs the customer $50. And there is no "repair department", only the same CSR support you get for every call. Technical Support and Dr Dish went out the window a few years ago.
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It's not even possible for that to happen. A tech cannot arbitrarily change a receiver, and a 4K Joey costs the customer $50. And there is no "repair department", only the same CSR support you get for every call. Technical Support and Dr Dish went out the window a few years ago.
then explain this what they said in chat on FB :rolleyes:. the 50.00 for the 4k joey was a lease fee is what the rep told us!!! and it's 100.00 to purchase it...
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keep in mind i have no clue where in the hell there sending me when i ask them to transfer me to these places:mad:. it was taken care of and were happy as clams. though sometimes i wish i could see what these companies are doing LOL
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then explain this what they said in chat on FB :rolleyes:. the 50.00 for the 4k joey was a lease fee is what the rep told us!!! and it's 100.00 to purchase it...View attachment 187337keep in mind i have no clue where in the hell there sending me when i ask them to transfer me to these places:mad:. it was taken care of and were happy as clams. though sometimes i wish i could see what these companies are doing LOL
All I'm saying is the original work order said 4K Joey. That's what the tech installed because that's what was on the work order
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All I'm saying is the original work order said 4K Joey. That's what the tech installed because that's what was on the work order
All i was saying i wonder how the work order was written up 🤔. i told her the joey 4 and even told her the one with the one button on top how could someone confuse em:rolleyes::). i can't figure out how it happened. no way would i pay 100.00 for a4k joey :rolleyes:.. just glad it's all sorted out and fixed!!!
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For sure , 4k with hdr, but I would prefer not hdr full time for regular non hdr programming.. to switch when called vs full time and hdr always on..
the voice remotes are way better than the other crap!!! they work :coco :biggrin
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All i was saying i wonder how the work order was written up 🤔. i told her the joey 4 and even told her the one with the one button on top how could someone confuse em:rolleyes::). i can't figure out how it happened. no way would i pay 100.00 for a4k joey :rolleyes:.. just glad it's all sorted out and fixed!!!
They can confuse them because csr has never even seen one in real life.
HipKat
They can confuse them because csr has never even seen one in real life.
He has to stop accepting in his mind that CSRs know what they're talking about. They don't in almost all cases. Specifically, the offshore operators
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He has to stop accepting in his mind that CSRs know what they're talking about. They don't in almost all cases. Specifically, the offshore operators
Being new to a company i thought i would give em the benefit of the doubt... after that sh*t show lesson learned.. whenever a csr's lips are flapping they don't know what in the hell there talking about... i think it might be better to just find a retailer in my area i think there is one... and just contract out and buy boxes off them if i ever need to vs going through dish themselves. customer service sucks everywhere...
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They can confuse them because csr has never even seen one in real life.
When i called in i told the lady a joey 4 and told her the joey with the one button on the top. she told me that she knew what joey i was talking about!!! not fighting with hipkat i agree with what he said there should have been a work order written up with the box model and numbers off of the box!!! i wonder WTF happened there 🤔.. the dude that was supposed to install the joey 4 did end up giving us the 4k joey even after the gf told him the joey 4 and telling him the joey with the one button on top. from what i heard the installer didn't even listen to her when he went out to get the joey after trying to sell her a wireless joey he looked like he was in his own world!!! i agree with hipkat there should have been a work order with box model and numbers off the box i wonder if one was ever written up!!! i'll buy elsewhere and just call in to swap boxes if i ever need to!!! it's worth the few bucks more to avoid the clown shows!!! and me not having to call in and pissing in there cheerios

one more reason to own. you can buy from wherever you want and just call into swap boxes
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Howdy folks long time no write.

Issue(s): Horizontal transponders (esp. Weigel mux) breakup/mosaic/sputtering audio, JTV less so (but received perfectly up until a month or so ago.
Vertical is fine (Daystar). Up until recently couldn't even get any signal on Weigel Mux but JTV was perfect.

What I did to improve things: A slight westward move improved reception but only slightly (approx 72 on the micro HD, sorry no dB to post). I removed the 3-way C-Band splitter and used a 2-way to get a 1-2 db signal gain ( the power port goes to the Startrak - the micro HD doesn't have enough juice ! (1st clue) even after swapping the switching power supply it came with with a heftier linear 12 V supply (less RFI too !).
I have had issues with the uHD before signal breaking up that a reboot would clear up (clue #2 = dying tuner?) - FYI, I reinforced the IF input and removed all flux from the pcb completely with a Flux Removal Pen (MG Chemicals Cat No. 4140-P) which definitely makes a huge difference.

I went outside and pushed and pulled reflector slightly and no improvement. Pole (actually tower in yard - the neighbours love me..NOT) is plumb, checked with carpenters level. Dish was last peaked in 2017 or so, after overhauling 24" Von Weise, new Acme, fresh grease, etc. Focal length, f/d ratio etc meticulously adjusted. One panel has a tear so planning to repair that this weekend when my cousin comes over ( to help me out (old guy here) forecast calls for sunshine.

What has changed: My utility company has installed new high tension line poles (one smack dab in the middle of 101°W target! But they put it in last year and reception (of JTV (HOR) at least) was fine, BUT when they came out to transfer the wires over this year from the old (sawed in half) pole that's about when the troubles started (coincidence?), but again Daystar (VER) was fine. I always had this pole in the light of sight of 101° before with no issues. (fyi my zenith sat 74° is unobstucted, but can't test)

In the meantime Weigel mux is trying to break in MOSTLY in LATE at night (less cell usage?) (audio not video except for a frame here or there) so don't know what has changed with this mux which suddenly "woke up". I have never had to fuss with dish moves on this satellite ( the slightest move +/- motor clicks loses lock, wheres normally on C-band I can go significantly wider east or west and still have a strong signal ( have these gone "spot beam" or narrower somehow and what is the slight difference in Az listed on Lyngsat to 100.9° affect things ( isn't that the declination i.e. requiring a tweak of declination?).

Long story short (too late, ha), if I had another DVB-S2 box to try and / or a newer more stable PLL lnb ( I have been meaning to upgrade many a time but never got arround to it) I could determine if it's my antiquated receiving equipment, or my dish/feed alignment ( doubtful as it tracks everything from 55 °W to 133 ° W nicely.) or the dreaded 5G! (BUT only on HOR and not VER?).
I read another post where the OP (with his smaller 7.5 footer) played around with the illumination to peak desired transponder and reduce qrm on interfering/ stronger xpndrs (even on 103° W). So will play with that too - and cut away the RG-6 a and pull up a fresh section with new PPC and coax Seal. Open the throat cap see if any cobwebs are there and check servo operation (also changed in last maintence 10 years ago).

Finally, this will probably be the last chance I get to play with the BUD from the looks of it (providers leaving, auctioning off rest of spectrum imminent above 4.0 Ghz, and to keep the peace with neighbours so it would be nice to have that mux back for the long, cold and dark winters to comfort this old man before I call it quits and buy a VHF/UHF/FM Yagi and get MeTV, H&I from my Vermont local stations (checked at a friends today and they come in nicely - except ABC) .
Only one guy in town (Montreal) I may be able to get a receiver or PLL lnb from to try (RPS Sat) so hopefully with elimnate that as a possible culprit. Be nice to pick up a cheap or used PLL lnb to try w/o 5G BPF (money is tight )

Like others I couldn't care less about "tv" (well maybe just a liitle or a lot) it's the challenge that excites me , I can get MeTV other ways OTA (no pirate crap).

So what do you guys (and gals) think ?. p.s. I don't have a spectrum analyzer and there are def/ cell towers nearby (half a Km or so away).
Oh and time permitting will hammer out dings too and wire damaged mesh on one section for an extra dB or two. Hesitate to touch Declination, Elevation and pole mount but will play around with those a little too... Why is this mux for finicky suddenly ?(8psk, 5/6 fec, beamwidthetc.. man wish they went back to VER I think everthing would be fine! For the engineers out here does 5G QRM affect one poliarization (HOR) more than another (VER)? I understand the strong interference swamps out the input mixer/local oscilator in the hapless old C-band lnb (I think it at time affect KU too esp. LPB on 101°W KU - incidentally thos were weak or "gone' but are back almost at the time MeTV improved..hmm Terrestrial interference?

Any thoughts or suggestions ( cheap or free solutions please) greatly appreciated. Cheers.

p.p.s. Micro HD can't display Decades and Toons but records them fine so I can watch on another box/media player (Ali chip set issue). Another reason to upgrade.

Anybody interested in a nice C/KU system free ? (for next Spring/Summer 2027)

[Sami 10' mesh, Corotor II+, Eagle Aspen (very old) C-band lnb, Norsat Ku lnb, Channel Master C/Ku (H/V) switch, Startrak 400 Analog receiver w/ motor control, Geosat uHD DVD-S2, CW600S for Mpeg-2]
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Howdy folks long time no write.

Issue(s): Horizontal transponders (esp. Weigel mux) breakup/mosaic/sputtering audio, JTV less so (but received perfectly up until a month or so ago.
Vertical is fine (Daystar). Up until recently couldn't even get any signal on Weigel Mux but JTV was perfect.

What I did to improve things: A slight westward move improved reception but only slightly (approx 72 on the micro HD, sorry no dB to post). I removed the 3-way C-Band splitter and used a 2-way to get a 1-2 db signal gain ( the power port goes to the Startrak - the micro HD doesn't have enough juice ! (1st clue) even after swapping the switching power supply it came with with a heftier linear 12 V supply (less RFI too !).
I have had issues with the uHD before signal breaking up that a reboot would clear up (clue #2 = dying tuner?) - FYI, I reinforced the IF input and removed all flux from the pcb completely with a Flux Removal Pen (MG Chemicals Cat No. 4140-P) which definitely makes a huge difference.

I went outside and pushed and pulled reflector slightly and no improvement. Pole (actually tower in yard - the neighbours love me..NOT) is plumb, checked with carpenters level. Dish was last peaked in 2017 or so, after overhauling 24" Von Weise, new Acme, fresh grease, etc. Focal length, f/d ratio etc meticulously adjusted. One panel has a tear so planning to repair that this weekend when my cousin comes over ( to help me out (old guy here) forecast calls for sunshine.

What has changed: My utility company has installed new high tension line poles (one smack dab in the middle of 101°W target! But they put it in last year and reception (of JTV (HOR) at least) was fine, BUT when they came out to transfer the wires over this year from the old (sawed in half) pole that's about when the troubles started (coincidence?), but again Daystar (VER) was fine. I always had this pole in the light of sight of 101° before with no issues. (fyi my zenith sat 74° is unobstucted, but can't test)

In the meantime Weigel mux is trying to break in MOSTLY in LATE at night (less cell usage?) (audio not video except for a frame here or there) so don't know what has changed with this mux which suddenly "woke up". I have never had to fuss with dish moves on this satellite ( the slightest move +/- motor clicks loses lock, wheres normally on C-band I can go significantly wider east or west and still have a strong signal ( have these gone "spot beam" or narrower somehow and what is the slight difference in Az listed on Lyngsat to 100.9° affect things ( isn't that the declination i.e. requiring a tweak of declination?).

Long story short (too late, ha), if I had another DVB-S2 box to try and / or a newer more stable PLL lnb ( I have been meaning to upgrade many a time but never got arround to it) I could determine if it's my antiquated receiving equipment, or my dish/feed alignment ( doubtful as it tracks everything from 55 °W to 133 ° W nicely.) or the dreaded 5G! (BUT only on HOR and not VER?).
I read another post where the OP (with his smaller 7.5 footer) played around with the illumination to peak desired transponder and reduce qrm on interfering/ stronger xpndrs (even on 103° W). So will play with that too - and cut away the RG-6 a and pull up a fresh section with new PPC and coax Seal. Open the throat cap see if any cobwebs are there and check servo operation (also changed in last maintence 10 years ago).

Finally, this will probably be the last chance I get to play with the BUD from the looks of it (providers leaving, auctioning off rest of spectrum imminent above 4.0 Ghz, and to keep the peace with neighbours so it would be nice to have that mux back for the long, cold and dark winters to comfort this old man before I call it quits and buy a VHF/UHF/FM Yagi and get MeTV, H&I from my Vermont local stations (checked at a friends today and they come in nicely - except ABC) .
Only one guy in town (Montreal) I may be able to get a receiver or PLL lnb from to try (RPS Sat) so hopefully with elimnate that as a possible culprit. Be nice to pick up a cheap or used PLL lnb to try w/o 5G BPF (money is tight )

Like others I couldn't care less about "tv" (well maybe just a liitle or a lot) it's the challenge that excites me , I can get MeTV other ways OTA (no pirate crap).

So what do you guys (and gals) think ?. p.s. I don't have a spectrum analyzer and there are def/ cell towers nearby (half a Km or so away).
Oh and time permitting will hammer out dings too and wire damaged mesh on one section for an extra dB or two. Hesitate to touch Declination, Elevation and pole mount but will play around with those a little too... Why is this mux for finicky suddenly ?(8psk, 5/6 fec, beamwidthetc.. man wish they went back to VER I think everthing would be fine! For the engineers out here does 5G QRM affect one poliarization (HOR) more than another (VER)? I understand the strong interference swamps out the input mixer/local oscilator in the hapless old C-band lnb (I think it at time affect KU too esp. LPB on 101°W KU - incidentally thos were weak or "gone' but are back almost at the time MeTV improved..hmm Terrestrial interference?

Any thoughts or suggestions ( cheap or free solutions please) greatly appreciated. Cheers.

p.p.s. Micro HD can't display Decades and Toons but records them fine so I can watch on another box/media player (Ali chip set issue). Another reason to upgrade.

Anybody interested in a nice C/KU system free ? (for next Spring/Summer 2027)

[Sami 10' mesh, Corotor II+, Eagle Aspen (very old) C-band lnb, Norsat Ku lnb, Channel Master C/Ku (H/V) switch, Startrak 400 Analog receiver w/ motor control, Geosat uHD DVD-S2, CW600S for Mpeg-2]
I had the EXACT same problem happen to me with 101w, MeTV mux (Weigel). Working great when about 3 weeks ago I started to get the pixelating, especially at night. Sometimes Jewelry TV would also do it, sometimes not. Tweaked my dish. I have a Titanium 240 feed with the 5G filter 4.0-4.2 band pass. Every other satellite is working fine. Something on their end for sure. Power reduction? My signal seems fine like always. Running a Winegard 8.5 ft dish using a GT Media UHD V8. I'm sure my receiver isn't maybe sensitive enough for lower signal levels. Frustrating here too. I'm in the Canton, Ohio area. Thanks!
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To me it looks like all of the intelligent things to diagnose the problem 'on the cheap' are being done.
I have my own thoughts of lnbf's using an external filter between the feed and coax. It would be cool to see what Brian could add.
Do his units have the filter before the actual LNA chip in the circuit? In other words, signal is focused at the lnbf throat. The probes for h & v polarity send the signal to.......filtering......then to the lna IC......
Or probes, lna, then filtering. Makes sense to trap the bad stuff before amplification to me.

On the cheap sometimes leaves questions. Enosat and El Bandido both use dvb-s pci cards and TBS USB receivers.
With those, and software. Signal analysis becomes sort of easy. Or tapping into your coax with a dc pass splitter, decoupling capacitor, and using a spectrum analyzer. Tuning across the LO band. Finding signal spikes. Digging deep.

Still making my decision on a (most probably) TBS PCIe tuner card. But I have tapped into my coax with my ancient but quite impressive HP spectrum analyzer and tinysa.
I don't have 5G interference so far that I know of. But have my suspects because I'm only able to snag signal from 131W in the winter when the leaves drop. But out of curiosity do scan it in the fall. And seem to be getting a signal that 'shouldn't' be there and a scan shows no channels. Far as I got.

An idea pops up to rig up an LNBF on a stick. Along with the tinysa and power supply and do some rogue signal searches. War Driving, of sorts. But. I wouldn't think that a chinabox, firmware based receiver would be of much help.
From what I see scanning across the frequency band. 5G cell transmission is always on and is very wide spectrum.
Whether anyone is actually using talking, texting, watching stupid human tricks on YouTube Makes no difference. The RF is there. So why would a C Band setup come and go? And what if you dumped the corotor and went modern voltage controlled polarity?

Another thought. Since you've learned the optimal position to place the scalar to illuminate out to the dish rim. And peaked the feed. There's most of a roll of aluminum flashing out in my garage that would most definitely wrap around my dish perimeter. That and a bag of large binder clips from the office supply. wally world. Ideas?
B
To me it looks like all of the intelligent things to diagnose the problem 'on the cheap' are being done.
I have my own thoughts of lnbf's using an external filter between the feed and coax. It would be cool to see what Brian could add.
Do his units have the filter before the actual LNA chip in the circuit? In other words, signal is focused at the lnbf throat. The probes for h & v polarity send the signal to.......filtering......then to the lna IC......
Or probes, lna, then filtering. Makes sense to trap the bad stuff before amplification to me.

On the cheap sometimes leaves questions. Enosat and El Bandido both use dvb-s pci cards and TBS USB receivers.
With those, and software. Signal analysis becomes sort of easy. Or tapping into your coax with a dc pass splitter, decoupling capacitor, and using a spectrum analyzer. Tuning across the LO band. Finding signal spikes. Digging deep.

Still making my decision on a (most probably) TBS PCIe tuner card. But I have tapped into my coax with my ancient but quite impressive HP spectrum analyzer and tinysa.
I don't have 5G interference so far that I know of. But have my suspects because I'm only able to snag signal from 131W in the winter when the leaves drop. But out of curiosity do scan it in the fall. And seem to be getting a signal that 'shouldn't' be there and a scan shows no channels. Far as I got.

An idea pops up to rig up an LNBF on a stick. Along with the tinysa and power supply and do some rogue signal searches. War Driving, of sorts. But. I wouldn't think that a chinabox, firmware based receiver would be of much help.
From what I see scanning across the frequency band. 5G cell transmission is always on and is very wide spectrum.
Whether anyone is actually using talking, texting, watching stupid human tricks on YouTube Makes no difference. The RF is there. So why would a C Band setup come and go? And what if you dumped the corotor and went modern voltage controlled polarity?

Another thought. Since you've learned the optimal position to place the scalar to illuminate out to the dish rim. And peaked the feed. There's most of a roll of aluminum flashing out in my garage that would most definitely wrap around my dish perimeter. That and a bag of large binder clips from the office supply. wally world. Ideas?
I did some more investigating and found I got the MeTV mux in the early hours, until about 6am then the pixelating starts. Gets worse until around 8am its totally gone. I suspect my local cell tower is ramping up traffic as the morning goes on. My Titanium feed does a super job and most everything is clear that wasn't before but this mux is aggravating! I seem to just be over the signal threshold to work until the 5G total overwhelms my system. I'm using an old 9 foot spun aluminum dish and was wondering if I went to a 12 ft dish this would solve the problem? I know bigger is better in most satellite dish related signal problems. If this is true I will be searching for a bigger dish. I like your idea of flashing put around the dish perimeter. I have some I need to dig out and try before I start ripping out my dish. Anybody have any ideas if the bigger dish would do better? Any help would be appreciated!
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I did some more investigating and found I got the MeTV mux in the early hours, until about 6am then the pixelating starts. Gets worse until around 8am its totally gone. I suspect my local cell tower is ramping up traffic as the morning goes on. My Titanium feed does a super job and most everything is clear that wasn't before but this mux is aggravating! I seem to just be over the signal threshold to work until the 5G total overwhelms my system. I'm using an old 9 foot spun aluminum dish and was wondering if I went to a 12 ft dish this would solve the problem? I know bigger is better in most satellite dish related signal problems. If this is true I will be searching for a bigger dish. I like your idea of flashing put around the dish perimeter. I have some I need to dig out and try before I start ripping out my dish. Anybody have any ideas if the bigger dish would do better? Any help would be appreciated!
8 1/2 Foot mesh here with the c140 lnbf and a verizon 5g tower nearby. Got no issue with the Metv transponder. Are you sure you have the lnbf setup correct? When I set my c140 up I noticed it was about 1/4 to 1/2 inch pushed in closer to the dish, sticking out of the scaler ring than my old lnbf was. Thought I may have trouble with that but my signal readings are higher than they had ever been.
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8 1/2 Foot mesh here with the c140 lnbf and a verizon 5g tower nearby. Got no issue with the Metv transponder. Are you sure you have the lnbf setup correct? When I set my c140 up I noticed it was about 1/4 to 1/2 inch pushed in closer to the dish, sticking out of the scaler ring than my old lnbf was. Thought I may have trouble with that but my signal readings are higher than they had ever been.
Thanks for the info. I'll do a detailed feed alignment this weekend. I have to be on a ladder to tweak this 101w satellite with the MeTV mux. Luckily I've got a V8 Finder so I'll put that to use. Funny, I got the MeTV mux fine this Friday morning. Jewelry TV was completely garbled though. I'm wondering if I'm having 2 degree spacing problems more than the cell tower affecting me. Seems strange some days I'm fine and others MeTV is completely destroyed. In the old days I could just move the dish to 99w and see what's there adjacent to MeTV. Maybe if I optimize my feed I can eliminate my problem either way. I have a 9 foot spun aluminum dish that may not have the best two degree isolation. Some of these were crudely made with a poor parabolic shape. I'll keep you posted and thanks to all for the advice!
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I was reading this article


That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.


Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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Sony is discontinuing it's last 4K disc player, Panasonic has been rumored to be doing the same, the end of physical media is unfortunately, about to happen.

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Sony is discontinuing it's last 4K disc player, Panasonic has been rumored to be doing the same, the end of physical media is unfortunately, about to happen.
Hate to hear that. If you don't physically have something in your hand, you don't really own it.
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Hate to hear that. If you don't physically have something in your hand, you don't really own it.
Even a physical disc purchase is considered a license, just extremely harder to pull access vs digital.

But once new players are no longer sold and older players quit working, that takes care of the access to your library.

See LaserDiscs for one example of that happening.
ncted
Sony is discontinuing it's last 4K disc player, Panasonic has been rumored to be doing the same, the end of physical media is unfortunately, about to happen.

I am so done with Sony on so many levels. This is just one small piece of it.
Jimbo
I am so done with Sony on so many levels. This is just one small piece of it.
I Love my Sony equipment :)
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just extremely harder to pull access vs digital.
And dangerous if you get my drift.
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I Love my Sony equipment :)

That's an odd name for it.
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And again, 15 months in a row, streaming wins-

Cable and Broadcast added together-36.4%

Streaming with a massive 49.6%, 13.2% higher than Broadcast/Streaming.

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Now that I'm retired, obviously I have different health care insurance. I take 2 prescriptions. With my old insurance I didn't have to pay for either of them, now I do. It's not a huge amount but it led me to dig a little into the cost of prescription medications. I have been using Walgreens for the longest time. But what I found was that Walgreens price is 4.8 times more for one of my prescriptions and the other is 2.3 percent more compared to the lowest price pharmacy. If you pay for prescription medications you might want to have a look at trumprx and see if you can get a lower price.


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I run them through several different providers to see who has the lowest cost

Usually it's Walmart or Sam's + GoodRx

Also...


You can also price them through the CareCard and WellRx apps.

Sometimes Amazon Pharmacy is cheapest.
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Usually it's Walmart or Sam's + GoodRx
I'm fortunate and don't take any medications. A couple years ago I had to take some antibiotics and used the GoodRx app. Went to Walmart and the person behind the desk knew me and told me to just buy them outright....the GoodRx price was a LOT higher. She said they aren't supposed to tell customers when they see they are being screwed.
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That's ok. I probably take enough for the two of us.

God knows what Bobby takes. Maybe so much they count as a meal?
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That's ok. I probably take enough for the two of us.

God knows what Bobby takes. Maybe so much they count as a meal?
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Actually I take just 2 prescriptions, Atorvastatin and Lisinopril. They cost me $6 each for 100 pills. Next year that will be nothing.
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Actually I take just 2 prescriptions, Atorvastatin and Lisinopril. They cost me $6 each for 100 pills. Next year that will be nothing.
Those are two of the three I take.
comfortably_numb
Went to Walmart and the person behind the desk knew me and told me to just buy them outright....the GoodRx price was a LOT higher

Walmart and Sam's pharmacies have "zero rated" prescriptions lists where generics are $4 (or less). If yours are on that list, then of course GoodRx isn't going to help. Also, GoodRx isn't always the cheapest discount program. For me, the cheapest is usually Mark Cuban's Cost Plus Drugs.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Find A Way To My Heart - Phil Collins
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Heart of Glass - Blondie
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My Heart Will Go On - Celine Dion
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