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Hi... Of the following two switches which would be a better choice to add to my current Phase III dish setup to give me 8 outputs (rather than the current 4) that could see all available transponders on all 3 satellites (including HD channels if that comes into play at all??)...

Zinwell WB68 DIRECTV Approved Wide Band Frequency (Ku/Ka) 6x8 Multiswitch (WB68)

or

Eagle Aspen 5x8 Multiswitch with Power Supply (S-4180-GX)

The Zinwell might appear to be a better choice especially for someone interested in eventually upgrading to the AT9 Ku/Ka which I likely will do at some point... But I am concerned that I found one place where it said this switch is "not casacadable" and I have read literally hundreds of posts where folks say to be sure to buy a cascadable switch for this sort of channel expansion. Others say my application is NOT an issue of cascading but admittedly none of that has ever been explained in a way that makes me confident I understand the issues. I am also concerned about the Zinwell switch because it isn't powered and might that cause issues since the majority of switches I have seen ARE powered... Why would they power them unless there was a good reason to do so??? Honestly, it would be easier for me if it WAS UNPOWERED but I want it to work first and foremost, so if it needs to be powered to work the best, so be it... I can make that happen... The Eagle Aspen clearly says that it works in the Phase III application (for expanding from 4 to 8 outputs, it is powered but there is no information about whether or not it will be a satisfactory switch for use with the AT9 Ku/Ka system???

Opinions??? Suggestions??? thanks... diitto...
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Sheridan... Thanks for the document... I found a much poorer version of the same document but hadn't been able to read it all (because of poor quality)... This one I can read and will... Thanks... And yes, you're right about finally just accepting a premise and moving on... That is in essence what I did when I bought the Zinwell switch a bit ago... Though not understanding it all, still I had heard enough to finally say "just buy it" so I did... Thanks for your help... diitto...
S
I understand your wanting to know it works, I'm the same way. I'm do-it-yourself kinda guy so I learn all I can....to a point. It helps to have a better understanding of the subject, especially if you have to do some troubleshooting. And certainly, there are a number of places on the internet where the hows and whys of the switch and lnb functionality are discussed or faq'ed.

But a lot of it can be information overload and sometimes, just unnecessary. For example, I build my own computers. I know how they go together, I know how they're supposed to work and I can troubleshoot one if a problem develops. But do I know the architecture of the processor and the fully understand the workings of the Northbridge and Southbridge on the motherboard? No, I could study it, but if the motherboard or processor were bad, they would be replaced. There is no point in trying to repair the mb, they are cheap enough and the processor can't be repaired.

I think that's more than far enough in this analogy, so I'll stop there, but I hope you can understand my point. Good luck with your installation and stop back by if you have any more questions or problems. There are plenty of experts here and I listen to them. One more thing, if you do your cables, be careful with the crimping, but if you are going to go to AT9 later, you probably want to look at the compression fittings. I understand they are the way to go, but that's a whole 'nuther topic.
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Hi Sheridan... Yeah, I'm reading the document you linked right now... I think I feel another question or two rising but I will finish reading this first and then ask any questions in the next day or so... So perhaps check back later...

Regarding what you said about cable and connectors I hope I am ok there... I did my own install last September, dish and all... I'm an Electrical Engineer but with no previous experience with satellite communications (well at least not since college many moons ago) so this was a bit of a research project, and still is... I looked into both cables and connectors as much as I am trying to understand these multiswitches... The cable I settled on eventually was Belden 1694A (good out to 3 Ghz, solid copper center conductor, all in all I think a good cable)... And for connectors I bought the tools to put on Snap-n-Seal compression fittings throughout... They've worked great to date... And trivial to install with the two tools I bought for them... I got most of the info for both cable and connectors just from listening to folks here and asking questions... Four of those cables currently come in from the dish to my attic where they are connected to feed-through/grounding blocks and then six cables (two currently connected to nothing) come down to six possible "load" locations in the house... It is my hope to simply disconnect the four satellite cables from the feed-through/grounding blocks and instead hook them into four inputs of this new switch... Then the six cables will simply attach to six of the eight outputs. Four of those outputs I use today and it's the fifth of those six (still don't need one of them) that I am after right now as I added another DVR but don't only had one input left over of the original four.. But it appears I will have to go through the same set up you do with a new receiver??? Again, that's preliminary but after I read all the document you linked, perhaps I will be able to ask a smarter question... But, yes, hopefully I am good to go for a future swap from the Triple LNB dish to the AT9, at least with regard to cable and compression connectors... Again, check back in a day or so as I am thinking I will have questions about this receiver set up that will need to be done with this new switch... I am getting the switch sent UPS Two Day so hopefully I will have it by the weekend... Again, thanks for the help... diitto...
S
So you're an electrical engineer? That explains the questions.:)

You will need to keep that grounding block in there, and it has to be before the switch. So from the block to the switch and THEN out to your feeds.
D
Morning.. Well, that brings up another question... Instead of staying with the grounding blocks which means I will have both the loss of the feed throughs of the ground blocks plus the loss of the switch now in series, can I not instead ground case of the switch itself or are the shield connections on the switch isolated from the case, hence grounding the case would do no good?? Since I haven't yet seen the switch I don't know whether its shield connections are isolated or not... If they are, then yes, I will maintain the feed through/grouding blocks as they are and build new short cables to go from them to the switch inputs... And yes, I would leave the grounding blocks on the upstream side of the switch...

And any idea what sort of loss I might see through this new switch?? Currently most of my satellite signals are up around 90% on the receiver satellite set up page.. With this switch would you anticipate I will see a noticeable drop or no???

Thanks for the info... diitto...
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Now that I'm retired, obviously I have different health care insurance. I take 2 prescriptions. With my old insurance I didn't have to pay for either of them, now I do. It's not a huge amount but it led me to dig a little into the cost of prescription medications. I have been using Walgreens for the longest time. But what I found was that Walgreens price is 4.8 times more for one of my prescriptions and the other is 2.3 percent more compared to the lowest price pharmacy. If you pay for prescription medications you might want to have a look at trumprx and see if you can get a lower price.


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comfortably_numb
I run them through several different providers to see who has the lowest cost

Usually it's Walmart or Sam's + GoodRx

Also...


You can also price them through the CareCard and WellRx apps.

Sometimes Amazon Pharmacy is cheapest.
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I am fortunate that the couple things I take end up being no cost to me. So far!

I get shipped 90 day supply automatically by CVS via my Medicare Advantage plan.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
My OTA is not working anymore. This started after the latest update. I have the OTA dongle with a OTA antenna that I've been using for years. My hopper does not recognize the dongle anymore and when I go to the OTA setting, it has a screen that says to plug a dongle into the USB. I tried unplugging and plugging back, in the same usb port and other ports. The Hopper does not recognize it. Anyone have same issue?
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Anyone heard any updates on this, I'm still having the issue so thought I'd check in.
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Anyone heard any updates on this, I'm still having the issue so thought I'd check in.
No updates but if you can get DISH Technical Operations to roll you back to H710 or earlier even though H708 would be best because it also eliminates another problem like in this comment, you will also no longer have the problem as long as you don't update manually or forced to any new version until the problem is fixed as the problem started in H711 and still exist in H712 and H713.
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dishstaller
Installed an off-air antenna a couple days ago for a customer who had just cancelled his Dish service. He had a dual off-air adapter and gave it to me. Cool. I'll keep it on the truck....might come in handy. Got to admit I don't watch anything as far as live tv goes anymore. Even if we have severe weather, our local channels will have a live feed on Youtube.
navychop
In other news, it was announced that the software fix for the two tin cans and a string will not be forthcoming. A hardware fix is required. However, that fix will let you receive stations from a gazillion miles away.

Truck roll charges may apply. Two year commitment required.
brittanygarden
Hi all. If you were using a single tuner USB OTA adapter that is no longer working, please PM me. Thanks. :)
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Loose lips sink ships for her...
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Dang. That had to hurt. I would have not handled it that well. Surprised it wasn't brought up by Heff at the challenge.
dfergie
First rule - if you get a clue follow it immediately, 2nd - keep your stuff with you in a strange place, 3rd - pay attention to your ride... (pre first - don't go if you think you might not want to stay Rob)
teachsac
Loved the tribal🤣
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Last reply · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center
For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)
harshness
More specifically, these:



A more scholarly story is here:

navychop
"WARNING Will Robinson!"
Don in CT
Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)
When I heard about this exploit I was wondering how quick you would be on it. :D
Scott Greczkowski
When I heard about this exploit I was wondering how quick you would be on it. :D
12 minutes after the patch was release I had it patched. :)
Scott Greczkowski
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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If You Don't Know Me By Now - Simply Red
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You'll Always Be Loved By Me - Brooks & Dunn
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You'll Always Be the One - Dinah Shore
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Still the One - Orleans
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One Toke Over The Line - Brewer and Shipley
Bruce
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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
I was reading this article


That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.


Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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Bruce
Sony is discontinuing it's last 4K disc player, Panasonic has been rumored to be doing the same, the end of physical media is unfortunately, about to happen.

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Got a Sony 700 at WM dot commie.

I think.

Ordered, anyway. Amazon let me go thru entire process but then said no inventory.

Hopefully,, WM will come thru.
dishstaller
Sony is discontinuing it's last 4K disc player, Panasonic has been rumored to be doing the same, the end of physical media is unfortunately, about to happen.
Hate to hear that. If you don't physically have something in your hand, you don't really own it.
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Bruce
Hate to hear that. If you don't physically have something in your hand, you don't really own it.
Even a physical disc purchase is considered a license, just extremely harder to pull access vs digital.

But once new players are no longer sold and older players quit working, that takes care of the access to your library.

See LaserDiscs for one example of that happening.
ncted
Sony is discontinuing it's last 4K disc player, Panasonic has been rumored to be doing the same, the end of physical media is unfortunately, about to happen.

I am so done with Sony on so many levels. This is just one small piece of it.
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Last reply · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info
Interesting article about the work being done to develope an ATSC 3 converter box. Yes it does mention affordable.
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navychop
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
primestar31
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
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It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
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navychop
I truly hope you are right.
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What bothers me is the total waste of broadcasting spectrum in this very crowded market. It has been almost three years now since KFOX converted their broadcast tower to ATSC 3.0 and moved all of their channels to other towers causing noticeable degradation of the picture quality.
I have a Sony TV with 3.0 capabilities but still use the 1.0 version of locals due to the fact that one or all of the 3.0 channels are often missing or unwatchable. In this city of 800K I doubt that more than a few hundred even know about ATSC 3.0.
The only thing that could motivate me to be interested in 3.0 would be if all of the minor networks (diginets) could be in at least 720P rather than blurry ultra-compressed 480i.
Three years is long enough to waste one of the few available RF frequencies in the area for this trial.
It is time to either move on with this experiment or call it quits.
navychop
In this city of 800K I doubt that more than a few hundred even know about ATSC 3.0.

They might notice the hand going into their pocket for their wallet.
navychop
It is time to either move on with this experiment or call it quits.

QFT. Of course, my preference involves a curb and some kicking.
Van
Van
Last reply · posted in What's Cooking?
Who says dinner or lunch has to be the only good meals of the day?

Honey butter grits with scrambled eggs and grilled boneless pork ribs on flakey biscuits washed down with cranberry juice.
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TRG
TRG
Wound up at the Waffle House this morning. Got the two egg breakfast with coffee.

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Speaking of waffles, I'm going to put my mini waffle iron on stove so I'll remember to make waffles in the morning... Had some last week, been awhile.
dfergie
Dos cackleberrys over easy on top of 2 corned beef hash patties fried in skillet... Chocolate milk.
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Cold morning today, only 32 degrees. Fired up the oven and made cinnamon rolls (from a tube) and a pot of coffee.
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2 egg burrito with bacon and a side of hashbrowns. Coffee.

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