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Before anyone fires back I'm not complaining about paying extra for having to have it installed on a pole and a few feet of cable buried, but $180 seems steep.

This being that Dish installed the pole for me about 3 years ago at another apartment for free.

Just wondering if this is an average price or if it's a little high. If it's par, that's fine, just seems steep.
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WTT0001 said:
On the half the country shut down, Last I checked there were only 2 beams shut down (Ohio area is one and I can't remember the other offhand) at least until WB goes up.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?p=641561#post641561
um yhea

WTT0001 said:
That being said, If you are doing the install "by the book" they take about the same amount of time and effort to install, If you cut corners then the Dway is easier because you can cut more that with WB. As to ordering it, yes, WB is easier, WO turn around is less than 1 hour if you call them, Dway is 24 hours + (not that it matters for us, we are scheduled out 3 - 14 days most of the time anyway).

You can cut more corners with DWay, what are you talking about? They both take 2 lines in. Plus Dway has to be crosspolled which can sometimes be a pain in the ass. WB you only have to get a signal and your good.
Dway is not 24 hours plus on the WO neither, who told you that?
I was talking about Wildblue being easier to sell to a customer because of the lower price.[/QUOTE]

WTT0001 said:
Anyway, the reasons WB is superior in my opinion are:

(1) Tech Support is in america, Repeat, Repeat...
(2) Ping times are lower on a properly working system (600ms on average for WB, 900ms average for Dway depending on the sat and time of day)
(3) WB gives you consistant speeds, Dway may depending on the Sat and time of day.
(4) Cheaper equipment/Install costs, $299 for WB with free standard install (normally $179, Total $478 Normally), Dway is $400 (That is including a $100 rebate and $100 Instant Savings, Normal Cost is $600, Upfront is $500 at the moment)
(5) Personal opinion, I have DSL at home, I can live with WB if I had to, I couldn't with Dway, it is that simple

Thats what I can come up with off the top of my head.

You want to talk about a superior product ok.

1. Number of operational satellites: WB 1 Hughes 9
2. Manufactures satellite system equipment: WB no Hughes yes
3. Manufactures communications satellites: WB no Hughes Yes
4. Services US government and US military: WB no Hughes Yes
5. Services large-business, enterprise (Fortune 1000) customers: WB no Hughes Yes. Hughes has 95% of the VSat enterprise market. oh and did I mention they service the US government?
6. Number of network operations centers (NOC) WB 1 Hughes 3
7. Owner and manager of network operations center (NOC) WB no Hughes Yes
8. Installation available nationwide: WB no Hughes Yes
9. Installation available on a Globle market: WB no Hughes Yes.
10. Financing available for residential plans: WB no Hughes Yes.
11. Proprietary network security and encryption infrastructure: WB no Hughes Yes.
12. Uses Internet Protocol Over Satellite standard (IPos). WB no Hughes Yes.
13. System warranty (Parts). WB 12 months parts 90 days labor Hughes 15 months parts and labor.
14. Repair warranty service calls (Labor) WB $75/hr after 90 days of service, Hughes Free.
15. Fair Access Policy (FAP) Maximum Recover Time: WB 30 day refresh Hughes 8 Hours.
16. Satisfaction Guarantee, Return Policy: WB 30 days but only for Particapation Retailers and they charge you $79.95 to come out and take it down.:rolleyes: Hughes 30 days.
17. Mailbox size: Hughes 2,000mb WB 25 mb.
18. On the FAP When comparing the Professional version of both which is thye same price per month. Wildblue gives you 12,000 MB per month, 30 x 24 = 720 hours per month 12,000 MB / 720 Hours = 16.67 MB per hour. Hughes gives you 350 MB in a 4 hour perion, 350 / 4 Hours = 87.5 MB per hour.
19. Hughes offers 2 options on equipment. The larger dish option can either be used with home pakages to improve on signal quality which helps in extreme weather, or in upgrading to a small office or business internet plan which Wildblue does not offer.
20. Hughes offers a static IP option which is essental in VPN usage.
21. Hughes does have the capability for VOiP, Wildblue... um yhea
22. With Hughes, have you heard about Spaceway? www.spaceway.com
[/QUOTE]


WTT0001 said:
P.S. I'll give a point back to Dway for offering better plans than WB at the moment (I will also state that WB is concentrated on Home/Home office at the moment:D), And another point for having a bunch of different sats up there to point at (of course the 1-2 hours to get it recomissioned isn't mentioned but hey;) ).

Again more misinformation. It has rarely taken me over 1 hour to complete a satellite transponder change.

What else do you have. You gave me the mediocre info. What are some technical aspects that you can give me?
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Been a while since I checked on beams shut down, still not half the country but 6 is more than the 2 I had heard last. Your point:D

Dway doesn't inspect jobs, half the jobs I have done service calls on for other installers were not grounded, dishes were not solidly mounted, sloppy cable runs, etc. WB inspects jobs and they will call you back to fix them and drop you if you don't (We've had it happen to at least 2 companies/installers in this area alone). My comment still stands. As to the crosspol, if the pole is level and you set the skew on the dish to the area it needs to be in and peak it out with the birdog or any other decent meter, you will pass as is 90% of the time (and by pass I mean solid pass, nothing low). The other 10% of the time it should take less than 10 min. using the OPI. Even on this one.

As I said, WO time doesn't matter. Customer could care less.

1. Already covered in last post
2. Matters why??? We were talking about end user performance.
3. See 2
4. Last Post
5. Last Post
6. Last I checked, WB 5, Hughes 3?, WB has them in Riverside CA, Cheyenne, WY, Laredo, TX, Syracuse, NY, and Winnipeg, Canada
7. Matters why??? EU performance again
8. Maybe but clarification, WB covers the whole US although there are some areas installers don't cover (Distance/Certification/Lack of installers in the area)
9. Agree with you here
10. I'll argue this one by stating $300 vs $600, if you can't afford the $300 up front then how will you afford $99 a month over 12 (15?) months
11. Is that why it is sooo slow?
12. WB uses Docsis (? Spelling, fairly common standard I would think (cable)) Who is using the more compatable protocal?
13. That may be the official stance but I can tell you that we are doing service calls for people 8 - 12 months later that WB is still covering. Still, Dway wins this one.
14. Wrong comparison, correct comparison would be out of warranty to out of warranty, WB = Standard Service Call ($59 - $99 depending on distance), Hnet = $59 - $99 depending on distance.
15. Yes, but if you need to download a 600 meg file, Hnet = Dial up for a long time, WB = normal speeds all the way through (assuming you are under your monthly limit, which you should be)
16. The 30 days applies period as far as I know, It is in the agreement, there shouldn't be any dealers that won't honor it, if there are then you should be talking to WB. As for the charge to come take it down, Gas and time to run out the 50 - 100 miles, yes, someone better be paying for it.
17. I would agree with this one but for normal usage 25mb is plenty (my verizon account is 10mb and I havn't had a problem yet), If it is really an issue i'll send you a gmail invite:D
18. Wrong #s, WBs pro pak is 17Gb a month, Select is 12Gb, Value is 7.5Gb, That being said see point 15 for the main point, Hughes is 8 hours or 4 hours, in point 15 you state 8, here you state 4???. Minor detail so don't worry about it too much, bottom line is that if you spread your useage out, neither fap should matter, Hughes has more theoretical usage, but if you need that 600mb file now, WB wins:D
19. Covered in the last post, WB is concentrated on home usage, In general, downtime is less than 45min (15 in reality), if it is that mission critical, spend more and go with a small office or enterprise system.
20. As of right now that is correct, WB is planning on it in the future (WB1?)
21. From what I hear, neither is great.
22. Reality check, until WB came out they had canned it and were going all TV, Now they need it to compete, amazing:D

All that really did was point out minor details, Again, back to my original point, Overall, I can live with WB, Not Hnet, We make more money selling Hnet, but we sell a ton more WB. We have 150+ WB customers, as of last check 4 canceled after they were installed (1 was that the customers wife didn't like the dish no matter where it was and pulled it down a day later, another canceled 2 days after it was put in because Vonage wasn't working, reactivated 2 weeks later and finally canceled 4 months down the road due to money problems, another because he couldn't deal with the lag of satellite (was expecting cable type speeds), and the last because they only ordered it for a 7 day festival). Pretty good stats if you ask me.

WTT

P.S. I have only had one transponder change take less than 1 hour total (from the time I called on the phone to the time the system runs through the final registration) and that was done in 15min total, Every other time it has been at least 15 - 30 mins on the phone, 30 min to 1 hour for the noc to get it set and another 10 to run through the registration again. The last 2 times I had to do it (about 1 month ago and about a week before that) It took 2 hours (given, they changed satellites the day before) and 1 hour 15 mins. If it generally takes less for you, awesome, maybe it is just my luck:D
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WTT0001 said:
Been a while since I checked on beams shut down, still not half the country but 6 is more than the 2 I had heard last. Your point:D

Dway doesn't inspect jobs, half the jobs I have done service calls on for other installers were not grounded, dishes were not solidly mounted, sloppy cable runs, etc. WB inspects jobs and they will call you back to fix them and drop you if you don't (We've had it happen to at least 2 companies/installers in this area alone). My comment still stands. As to the crosspol, if the pole is level and you set the skew on the dish to the area it needs to be in and peak it out with the birdog or any other decent meter, you will pass as is 90% of the time (and by pass I mean solid pass, nothing low). The other 10% of the time it should take less than 10 min. using the OPI. Even on this one.

As I said, WO time doesn't matter. Customer could care less.

1. Already covered in last post
2. Matters why??? We were talking about end user performance.
3. See 2
4. Last Post
5. Last Post
6. Last I checked, WB 5, Hughes 3?, WB has them in Riverside CA, Cheyenne, WY, Laredo, TX, Syracuse, NY, and Winnipeg, Canada
7. Matters why??? EU performance again
8. Maybe but clarification, WB covers the whole US although there are some areas installers don't cover (Distance/Certification/Lack of installers in the area)
9. Agree with you here
10. I'll argue this one by stating $300 vs $600, if you can't afford the $300 up front then how will you afford $99 a month over 12 (15?) months
11. Is that why it is sooo slow?
12. WB uses Docsis (? Spelling, fairly common standard I would think (cable)) Who is using the more compatable protocal?
13. That may be the official stance but I can tell you that we are doing service calls for people 8 - 12 months later that WB is still covering. Still, Dway wins this one.
14. Wrong comparison, correct comparison would be out of warranty to out of warranty, WB = Standard Service Call ($59 - $99 depending on distance), Hnet = $59 - $99 depending on distance.
15. Yes, but if you need to download a 600 meg file, Hnet = Dial up for a long time, WB = normal speeds all the way through (assuming you are under your monthly limit, which you should be)
16. The 30 days applies period as far as I know, It is in the agreement, there shouldn't be any dealers that won't honor it, if there are then you should be talking to WB. As for the charge to come take it down, Gas and time to run out the 50 - 100 miles, yes, someone better be paying for it.
17. I would agree with this one but for normal usage 25mb is plenty (my verizon account is 10mb and I havn't had a problem yet), If it is really an issue i'll send you a gmail invite:D
18. Wrong #s, WBs pro pak is 17Gb a month, Select is 12Gb, Value is 7.5Gb, That being said see point 15 for the main point, Hughes is 8 hours or 4 hours, in point 15 you state 8, here you state 4???. Minor detail so don't worry about it too much, bottom line is that if you spread your useage out, neither fap should matter, Hughes has more theoretical usage, but if you need that 600mb file now, WB wins:D
19. Covered in the last post, WB is concentrated on home usage, In general, downtime is less than 45min (15 in reality), if it is that mission critical, spend more and go with a small office or enterprise system.
20. As of right now that is correct, WB is planning on it in the future (WB1?)
21. From what I hear, neither is great.
22. Reality check, until WB came out they had canned it and were going all TV, Now they need it to compete, amazing:D

All that really did was point out minor details, Again, back to my original point, Overall, I can live with WB, Not Hnet, We make more money selling Hnet, but we sell a ton more WB. We have 150+ WB customers, as of last check 4 canceled after they were installed (1 was that the customers wife didn't like the dish no matter where it was and pulled it down a day later, another canceled 2 days after it was put in because Vonage wasn't working, reactivated 2 weeks later and finally canceled 4 months down the road due to money problems, another because he couldn't deal with the lag of satellite (was expecting cable type speeds), and the last because they only ordered it for a 7 day festival). Pretty good stats if you ask me.

WTT

P.S. I have only had one transponder change take less than 1 hour total (from the time I called on the phone to the time the system runs through the final registration) and that was done in 15min total, Every other time it has been at least 15 - 30 mins on the phone, 30 min to 1 hour for the noc to get it set and another 10 to run through the registration again. The last 2 times I had to do it (about 1 month ago and about a week before that) It took 2 hours (given, they changed satellites the day before) and 1 hour 15 mins. If it generally takes less for you, awesome, maybe it is just my luck:D

Piss match Piss match!!!! Its nice to argue with someone who is civil.:D After this post lets take this were it needs to be in the satellite internet forum so we can have more comments. These people looking for a pole price could care less about this.:D

If you look at the map I posted below that shows the population density of the US its and of the one with the beams shut down it is clear that 50 percent of the population right now is down.

The birdog does not help on the cross poll, it only shows you if you have found the bird or not. Some satellites even if you set the skew right it still can be a pain in the ass to get a passing score. Hor 1, AMC 3, and sometimes IA8 are hard to pass here. Sometimes like on Hor 1 we will have to put a spacer in the skew plate to make it pass.

Hughes does check jobs also. We are a retailer but we also have a contract with P10 and our jobs are checked often.

2. Hughes has the technology to produce equipment while WB relies on a third party houses. I know Hughes has recently started sending out dishes made by Raven and I will say "they suck"
4. 5. Hughes supplies service to major corporations. "Chevron, McDonald's, Dollar Tree, Cendent Corp (Days Inn, Ramada Inn, Super 8, etc.)" also the US government. Basically if you see a VSat on top of a building its Hughes.
6. As far as I can tell you are right on the NOC issue.
8. There are some spot were WB beams cannot reach.
10. Hughes gives an incentive if you finace the equipment, about 75% of people do this.
12. IPoS the only one approved by TIA, ETSI, and ITU standards.
15. Just like the Email issue, you can use a file manager that can pause the download. When do you download anything over 100 MB that is not a movie?
16. A non-refundable $79.95 uninstall fee will apply at the time of termination. Our 30-Day satisfaction guarantee is offered by participating retailers only.
End Date: The first 30 days after installation of the WildBlue service. http://www.wildblue.com/legal/disclaimer.jsp#retailer
18. I was comparing the plan that is the same price and same speed.
19. As you know WB uses Ka band which is more sustainable to rain fade. Anything over 11 GHz has a great potential to rain fade the higher the more. Ka band 18 to 40 GHz, KU band 12 to 18 GHz. C band is 4 to 6 GHz and is rarely affected by rainfade. That is the reason why you are not suppose to touch the reflector on a WB dish and a SW dish.
21. I have no experience with the 7740 so that's all I can say.
22. Hughes did not can the first two Spaceway satellites. Directv had the option for Spaceway 1 and 2 because they owned a great deal of Hughes stock and jumped on the bandwagon so they could offer HD Lil. There are a total of 3 Spaceway birds going up for sure and Hughes has the option for a 4th.

You say you have 150 customers on WB. We do about 150 Dway installs per week.:D

On the Ping issue, what are you really going to do with anything over 500 anyway? It does not really matter if its 600 or 900.

Also with a WB system you cannot travel. A Hughes allows you to go from place to place which can help in Emergency situations. www.groundcontrol.com

Your turn.:D
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damaged said:
For $180 bucks, there better be a stripper or 3 dancing on that pole.
They are No 1 in customer satisfaction by JD power so that price must be reasonable and justified.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

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Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

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Picked up a sweet directv dish, mount, twin lnbs and a short cable.
Has anyone converted one to FTA? A Frankenstein of sorts...
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I have read that some have converted this type dish but after giving it a good look, it's the lnb conversion that is the bottleneck. Does anyone have a picture of their attempt to configure the lnb? I watched a video on youtube from the save it for parts guy and he used duct tape! Guess it worked but I'm thinking something a bit more permanent!
Thanks to all for your interest and replies...
Titanium
Many of us have used a universal LNBF mount (or get creative with L brackets and plumbers tape - perforated metal strapping). Use a few inches of aluminum tube (or a piece of 1x2" lumber) to extend the support arm (replacing the plastic mount used by DirecTV and Dish) to place the LNBF throat opening at the correct distance from the reflector, the correct height and at the correct angle. Nothing magical... simply place the new linear LNBF in the center at the same distance, height and angle as the current combo.
www.amazon.com/Universal-Single-Bracket-Holder-FTA-US/dp/B074L85WK2
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To add: 101W Ku seems to be (one of if not the) strongest for me, and if I only had Ku I definitely want 101W for the music mux, it's robust FEC and strong signal help a lot. I've thought about using a used Dish/DirectTV dish at my Dads to supplement his OTA (mainly for my benefit when I visit :) )
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I used a 60cm Shaw Satellie dish (60e) with its original dual-LNB. It worked fine for 101W/97W or 99W/103W at that time when weather was fine. But the fade margin was small so rainy weather killed reception or almost so. But it was all free since they're so plentiful so I couldn't complain.
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A Shaw dish with the linear LNBFs are as rare as hens teeth in the US... :)
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A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.


View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k


We've literally got a movie already about this ;)


View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc
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Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.
harshness
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.
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That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
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... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
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Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
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Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.
meStevo
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.
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Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.
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Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.

Agents need appropriate context to make what would be understood as the correct read in a situation like that, and that Gemini answer was a clear miss on that front.

That said, we've also seen Musk (and/or his team) put his thumb on the scale (or just release a very poor product) with his own deployed AI since:


In the end, it's all a tool. Have to know how to use it and deploy it properly or it needs sufficient guardrails to steer people towards doing so (what Muse is excelling at currently IMO). I'm routinely interacting with several agents a day operating various processes locally and in services I use, and there are numerous others silently spun up to perform actions or satisfy requests from my prompts.

Related to earlier discussion in the thread on leveraging local inference: this kind of analysis happening behind the scenes is something everyone will have built into Windows, IMO. Most people won't see all of this, just the results, unless they want to dig into how the fix was chosen. Stuff like this will be standard as agents get local system access baked in, and more of the inference itself moves on-device.

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Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.



This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.
You invested in datacenters?
meStevo
You invested in datacenters?


Though, I do have stocks in my portfolio that benefit from data centers.
dishstaller
Too stinking funny...how to fry the mind of AI robo calls


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk3jCuITwcE
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The soundbar/sub is a pickup, also, not a delivery
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Nice setup. I bought a Klipsch sound bar years ago after my daughters blew up all the others....still using it...sound is awesome.
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Anyone making their own breakfast sausage? I've recently been trying different recipes, found some I like, some I've modified...
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Bob Evans Sage.
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Bob Evans Sage.
I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.
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I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.
Kroger stores carry Bob Evans Sage Sausage. For me that means Smiths.

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Kroger stores carry Bob Evans Sage Sausage. For me that means Smiths.

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No Kroger's near me. I live in the heart of Walmart land. The only option besides Walmart is Harp's.
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I live in the heart of Walmart land.
My deepest condolences.
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My deepest condolences.
Surprisingly I moved here from the Gulf Coast due to the heat. But it has been hotter here due to the heat domes than it did down there.
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make homemade dog food to :)
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make homemade dog food to :)
My wife cooks for the dog. Not me, just the dog.
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No idea what improvements might be involved.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
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They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin
Almighty1
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.
navychop
it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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dishstaller
it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner
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Oh....you were serious
Almighty1
So after some heavy research, it looks like the issue I mentioned with the DISH 50.0/52.0/54.x remotes where on the 50.0/52.0 remotes, the dedicated TV Power button or on the 54.x remotes where it is using the TV button on the side followed by Power works correctly on a Hopper 3 which runs Linux but not on a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 which are Android TV (ATV) has to do with the Android TV software itself. In all instances, the remotes had always sent out a dual RF and Infrared signal when the TV Power signal is sent from the remote. The Hopper 3 without the Plus would ignore the incoming RF power packet signal which is identified as a TV-specific toggle event, and does not trigger a system-wide standby state. The Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 as Android TV devices initially worked the same way as well up to sometime in 2025 as there was the legacy pass-through mode in the original software versions used since the Hopper Plus/Joey 4/Wireless Joey 4 launch, the receiver's underlying software essentially ignored the secondary RF payload that the 50.0/52.0/54.x remotes blasted out whenever the TV Power signal was sent. The Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 recognized it was a TV-specific command and discarded the RF packet, letting the standalone IR signal do its job on the tv.

When the software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 were updated in 2025 and newer versions of the software for those Android TV (ATV) devices, it overhauled how the receiver handles remote commands to tighter integrate the Android TV environment which resulted in the software starting to treat any RF power toggle payload as a global command. As the newer software verion(s) no longer filters out the concurrent RF blast from the 50.0/52.0/54.0 remotes, the moment one sends a TV Power signal from the remote, the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 catches that unintended RF payloadand interpets it as a command to drop the system into standby.

The fix is really simple since the Android TV (ATV) software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 just needs to be programmed to drop or ignore the specific RF power packets associated with the TV Power signal sequence.

The problem could also be at the remotes firmware as the remote's firmware has an engineering defect. When you try to turn off the TV, the remote's internal code mistakenly triggers its RF transmitter alongside its IR transmitter. It should only be firing the IR light blast. Because it forces a simultaneous broadcast, the remote's firmware is the original source of the problem.

The Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey firmware has a filtering defect. Good software design dictating peripheral inputs should include "error handling"—rules that tell the system what to do with messy or unintended commands.
• The legacy Hopper 3 firmware has proper error handling; it sees the remote's rogue RF packet and safely ignores it.
• The Android TV firmware in the Hopper Plu, Joey 4 and Wireless lacks this filtering logic. It blindly accepts the rogue RF packet and misinterprets it as a legitimate signal to force the entire system into standby.

If the remote didn't have a firmware bug, it wouldn't send the phantom RF signal. If the Android TV (ATV) device being the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 didn't have a firmware bug, it would cleanly ignore the signal just like the Hopper 3 does.

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dfergie
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Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
dishstaller
Diesel is all over the place around here. Saw it yesterday from $5.37 to $6.17...not sure what the obsession was with ending in 7
dfergie
$4.09 - $4.29, real gas $4.69...
harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Foxbat
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.
Bobby
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.
Winter blend is cheaper than Summer blend.
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Ok, I'm bored .... actually - to be more precise - I'm bored of eating the same rotation of 9 or 10 meals that are currently my "go-to" meals. My wife works the long hours - I work from home as and when i feel like it ... which means i generally do most of the cooking ... and so by default - i also make out the shopping list ...

We cook at home 5 or even 6 nights a week - but we always seem to fall back on the same old tried and tested "quick and easy but tastes ok" meals. Week in week out.

Pot Roast - mash and Peas.
Spaghetti
Chicken Pasta in cheese sauce.
Curry & rice
(these are some of mine)

Now it's not that I'm not adventurous in the kitchen ... I'll try anything once or twice ... but we all do it. Unless your name is Martha Stewart or Rachel Ray .. we all eventually fall back on our 8-10 favorite "meals"

So i thought - if we shared some of our own go-to meals with each other ... we might be able to add a few "new" ones to our own arsenal of meals.

So again - I ask you ...

What's for dinner tonight ?

Please give me something new to add to my rotation ... its our weekly shop tomorrow - so i want to pull together a few idea's and try and eat a meal each day next week that I've never had before .. or at least something that is not on my current "go-to" meal plan.

What meal do you always seem to fall back on in your house ? Maybe its something that I've never tried or not had in a while. I need inspiration !! I've got a blank shopping list in front of me - and nothing sounds good .. HELP !
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Bobby
Chili Cheesebugers, Tater Tots.
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TRG
I made shrimp parmesan with spaghetti and a salad.
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venison lasagna
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dishstaller
Smoked some salmon on the grill while enjoying some Blue Moon beer. Kinda cool tonight so I fired up the heaters. Here in FL, we fire up heaters once the temps get below 60 :cool As for the salmon, I seared them first, then flipped them off to the side not over the coals and brushed on some lemon pepper marinade followed by some salmon seasoning. Threw some hickory chips on the coals and then closed the vents to about 10% airflow. Yum.
TRG
TRG
Light dinner tonight before fasting for blood-work tomorrow. Salad and a half turkey sandwich. Water.