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goaliebob99
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Hi and greetings,

Today I lost my distant networks. Im a service member serving in Iraq. How much more distant can you get? While, my slingbox does keep me company on days that im not working and sometimes AFN (Armed Forces Network) just doesnt cut it, I want to know why are you cutting me off! I cant get ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, or even the WC. I have tryed Satellite, I have tryed Over the Air, and even the internet. Still no ABC, NBC, CBS or Fox for me. WHile big corporations will pay people off, like Directv who is owned by Ruppert Murdoch who also owns Fox.... Wich the only company that refused to make any type of agreement with echostar.

Can you tell me today what im fighting for in this "civil war torn nation of iraq" All you can worry about is cutting distant networks off to thousands of people who should legally get them anyhow. Heck, Here in Iraq im free to read the Stars and Stripes, The Chicago Tribune, The New York Times among other publications, but yet when I do go back home to the states I cant watch NBC from Colorado Springs (where my wife is from) or NBC from New York. What is wrong with that? Hell, they show the same programming so what does it matter when I watch it or how I watch it. Oh, Yea thats right.

The Nab wants me to buy a car from Chicago instead of Colorado Springs. After all I might just find a better deal on the Bismark North Dakota's NBC channel. Do they even have an NBC? After all I have been keeping up with Greys Anatomy via Itunes. Now if NBC would offer My name is Earl on Itunes I would be even better. Notice, I dont watch any of Fox's programming. The reason for that is because I dont like it when the owner of a mutli billion dollar dynasty tells me what I can and cant watch so he can make a buck or two, but that is my choice to boycott Fox's Programming. Heck, thanks to George W. I'm not watching anyhow, but thats a separate topic together. What im getting at is it shouldnt matter what programming I watch, where I watch it and when I watch it and who I watch it from.

The bottom line here is Millions of people are loosing out on news from the home front as they would call it here or local ethnic programming from elsewhere. You see not everyone is from where they live. Hell, im not from Iraq but thats where im living now, in a trailer. So why dont we all mann up and do whats right.

Dissolve the NAB (I hope your listening congress and FCC) Create a bill of rights for satellite and cable customers so we can watch programming from anywhere we so desire. Its just like picking up the Chicago Tribune in NYC, the only difference is the means that the information is delivered is different. While where at it, why dont we change the whole world and bring us home as this place where I currently reside in as it is worse off than what I left it the first time and solve real issues like RETIREMENT (social security) AND HEALTH CARE FOR EVERYONE!

So Nab..... Please Provide me with a signal of Pristine quality of My locals.. Via satellite, FTA on Hotbird. (grade B or higher)

In the mean time Im giving out free hugs to anyone of any ethnic religion who wants one. (no suicide vests or explosives of any kind please!!) Here from Iraq. So if you want one PM me and let me know when you will be in the LSA Andaconda area as I will be more than happy to tell you when I can meet up with you to give you your free hug. But I bet you wont do it as you can care less about me or my family and the families of the solders who do what we do. All you worry about is me buying a car from my local chicago land ford dealership. After all if you call 1800223EMPIRE the empire carpet guy just might bring you a carpet the next day. You know whats funny. That number is the same if I watched that commercial on the NYC cbs channel or the Chicago cbs channel. Go figure. In the mean time lets get down to the real issue and thats people paying people off to create a monopoly where its illegal to do so.

So, I guess this is where i ANNOUNCE WHERE I'm running for congress next term so I can put a boot up nabs ass. Oh and dont think i wont do it as a dedicated mind could do anything it so pleases. But lets take it one step at a time before I get set to change the world and lets solve one issue at a time.. Lets start with Uplinking my locals to hotbird and then emailing me with the TP and fec rate there on. After that lets give millions the power to watch NBC among other broadcasters from any city they want to. After all my dollars get spent online anyhow, not from my local FOX Station.
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cablewithaview said:
your choice, just like the same choice in which network affiliates we want to watch.
C'mon cable. You have the freedom of choice for something that is available to you. I don't have the ability to purchase a 5-liter bottle of Coke. I don't have the ability to purchase a Papa John's pizza from Buffalo and have it delivered to me.

This is a simple case where you have the freedom of choice, but only amongst the choices offered.
Foxbat
Thomas, remember that GoalieBob doesn't have the luxury or the rest of us to sit on our butts and follow the Dish DNS fiasco step by step. The first he may have heard of losing his distant networks might very well have been when they disappeared off of his slingbox connection. If you were receiving programming that you enjoyed and which gave you a lifeline to home, and *poof* those channels disappeared without warning, wouldn't you be upset?

I won't say more because I feel this thread is headed for The Pit.

p.s., Bob, maybe you needed today's paper to make it more convincing...
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goaliebob99 said:
It was to make the point to the Florda District Judge that your free to pick up a new york times but you cant watch news from new york.
Sure you can. Many of the NY stations have their news on the internet, but I digress...

The "free to pick up a new york times" statement: If you have bought the New York Times paper, you've paid for the copyright. No one is taking copies and reselling them without permission.

In order to get the "news from new york", someone is copying the local stations and retransmitting them. That requires some kind of contract or license. No local network station will knowingly resell their signal into another area, so any contract will be for carriage around the station's local coverage area. And Dish Network so abused the free, statutory license given by Congress that they can no longer be trusted to work in "the public interest" and keep use of the license.
goaliebob99 said:
We are a democratic socity so there for if the people say the nab should be gone.. then they should be gone...
So if "the people" believe you should no longer be living in your neighborhood and give you one penny for your land and home, then you'd comply? After all, we are a democratic society...
Foxbat
I don't have the ability to purchase a 5-liter bottle of Coke. I don't have the ability to purchase a Papa John's pizza from Buffalo and have it delivered to me.
Greg, I bet if you called a Papa John's in Buffalo and offered to pay for it, they would take you up on your desire to deliver a pizza. :) Of course, it may not be edible by the time it gets to you...
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Greg, I bet if you called a Papa John's in Buffalo and offered to pay for it, they would take you up on your desire to deliver a pizza. :) Of course, it may not be edible by the time it gets to you...
'Tis the point, though. Now make it even better. I cannot get the Papa John's that is eight minutes away from me to deliver me a pizza, but the one that is five minutes away can deliver it.

The Papa John's franchises have "exclusive delivery areas". Just like network TV.

Do we really need a law prohibiting "exclusive delivery areas"? Television is not the only industry that does this.
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Perhaps but GoalieBob has clearly indicated that his comments were not the result of pique.

Thomas, remember that GoalieBob doesn't have the luxury or the rest of us to sit on our butts and follow the Dish DNS fiasco step by step. The first he may have heard of losing his distant networks might very well have been when they disappeared off of his slingbox connection. If you were receiving programming that you enjoyed and which gave you a lifeline to home, and *poof* those channels disappeared without warning, wouldn't you be upset?

I won't say more because I feel this thread is headed for The Pit.

p.s., Bob, maybe you needed today's paper to make it more convincing...
Voyager6
Sure you can. Many of the NY stations have their news on the internet, but I digress...

The "free to pick up a new york times" statement: If you have bought the New York Times paper, you've paid for the copyright. No one is taking copies and reselling them without permission.

In order to get the "news from new york", someone is copying the local stations and retransmitting them. That requires some kind of contract or license. No local network station will knowingly resell their signal into another area, so any contract will be for carriage around the station's local coverage area. And Dish Network so abused the free, statutory license given by Congress that they can no longer be trusted to work in "the public interest" and keep use of the license.
But now there is a third party, PNS or AAD, to provide DNS and will adhere to the rules. "So abused" is probably too severe. Even the NAB expert agreed that the majority (>60%) of E* DNS subscribers were legal and of the remaining about 20% should have been receiving at least one network feed from DNS. It was that last 15 - 20% that caused all the problems. The networks and NAB seem intent on shutting down DNS to all areas.

So if "the people" believe you should no longer be living in your neighborhood and give you one penny for your land and home, then you'd comply? After all, we are a democratic society...
We just lost this battle at the Supreme Court. Unless your state restores your property rights by restricting the unlimited eminent domain powers just granted by the SC, you are SOL.
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Voyager6 said:
"So abused" is probably too severe. Even the NAB expert agreed that the majority (>60%) of E* DNS subscribers were legal and of the remaining about 20% should have been receiving at least one network feed from DNS. It was that last 15 - 20% that caused all the problems. The networks and NAB seem intent on shutting down DNS to all areas.
I reread the decision handed down by the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals. I am trying to understand your math, when this is the math presented to the court:

Of the 3.6 million distant network feeds given by Dish Network to customers, 1.8 million were within at least a Grade B area, and 1.0 million of those were within Grade A. This includes all distant network subscribers, even if they had waivers or grandfathering status, for which Dish Network presented no evidence. It is Dish Network's responsibility to have that on file and give it to the courts in cases like this.

The Court of Appeals actually did the math to assume the sections of the list that Dish Network provided regarding grandfathered and waivered subs. Of the 3.6 million distant network feeds, 900K were qualified incorrectly. For every three feeds that were valid, the next one wasn't.

Abuse.

Because Dish Network still has involvement, the networks and the NAB do not want distant networks available.
Neutron
Sorry, this thread has gotten way off topic, closing.
ewindowman
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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ERSanders
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!
navychop
So you have a MBA?
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Juan
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!
I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS
dishdude
I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS

And Steve Jobs stole the mouse and GUI
ERSanders
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!
Actually I survived despite them for 31 years and two expait assignments. But the quest for the current quarter's profits doomed long term vision, planning and actions.
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Working My Way Back To You - The Four Seasons
dishstaller
Don't Look Back - Boston
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Please Come to Boston - Dave Loggins
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Bobby
Come A Little Bit Closer - Jay and the Americans
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Closer to You - Brandi Carlile
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Last reply · posted in C-BAND Satellite Discussion
Hi guys, is anyone getting any quality on transponder 4135 L 30000 I'm not getting any quality few weeks now.
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Satfaca
No problem here (in central Europe) with a 10-footer. Do note that 9.4 dB required for the lock.
The mod is DVB-S2 8PSK with FEC 5/6.

4135LH.webp
dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Bobby
Regular$5.299​
Premium$5.859​
Diesel$7.599​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
harshness
Finally! Some big movement in California diesel pricing (and no, there is no such beastie as a diesel "winter formula").

Crude (combined pricing) is around $90/barrel now, so prices should have, at least, fallen in step with the crude futures.
dishstaller
Finally! Some big movement in California diesel pricing (and no, there is no such beastie as a diesel "winter formula").
Just curious here.....then why is diesel so much higher out there than it is elsewhere. Bobby just posted $7.59/gal, locally it is $5.59.....that's two bucks difference. :eeek
harshness
Just curious here.....then why is diesel so much higher out there than it is elsewhere.
California has a ~93¢ per gallon consumer tax rate on automotive diesel, along with significantly higher refinement standards.

The fact that consumers can only buy some new full-sized truck models and a couple of vans with diesel power makes the fuel an odd duck in refinery priorities.
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osu1991
$3.50-$3.52 around Tulsa and $3.45 in OKC
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· posted in Cable Television and Fiber Providers
The Charter/Spectrum tv app has been updated to make it downloaded with more tv brands. I recently added it to my LG Oled tv.
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Bobby
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
This thread is a place to discuss the 4K events that appear on channel 540. We are getting, at this point, one college football game a week. Let's hope there is more coming.
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long_time_Dish
No NASCAR in 4K on Sunday? Bummer...
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Jim5506
No NASCAR in 4K on Sunday? Bummer...
It's on Prime.
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It's on Prime.
Ah, ok, thanks!
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Foxbat
The World Series Game 1 quality was excellent, the Dolby Surround put us in the seats. Thanks, Dish!
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Not seeing many 4k games on the 148 channels lately?

Also I do not see the 4KFox channel on 148-01; I also do not subscribed to our Local Houston channels.

Maybe I need to subscribe to locals or add the National Action Pack? Not sure the extra cost is worth it??

thx for any info or suggestions

S
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jsmit86
Not seeing many 4k games on the 148 channels lately?

Also I do not see the 4KFox channel on 148-01; I also do not subscribed to our Local Houston channels.

Maybe I need to subscribe to locals or add the National Action Pack? Not sure the extra cost is worth it??

thx for any info or suggestions

S
Most of the 4K action on the 148-xx channels will be on Saturday for College Football. For whatever reason, the guide does not show the games until later in the week. The Fox Big Noon game will show up, and there will usually be a couple of other games, some on Fox, and some on ESPN.

I don't know if you need to be subscribed to locals to get them.
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dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
· posted in The Chit Chat Club
Now after reading this story I walked away thinking that this is being blown out of proportion because of the incredibly low numbers of those affected.....BUT....I've read posts by some of you who are taking this drug so I figured it was worth posting.

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KAB
KAB
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
· posted in Movie Talk
Not a bit surprised.

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