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WalksInDarkness

Last reply Apr 12, 2007 · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

HR20 Remote Problem - Defect or "Bug"?

Hi All,

I have had a new HR20 ("700" I think) since about Christmas. Essentially I have been happy with it, other than the loud fan/drive noise (and it generates a crapload of heat). But in the last month or so, the remote control stops working partially. It always seems to happen at about ~10:00pm EST!!! I know this sounds crazy, but my wife concurrs. I will be channel surfing, and suddenly the HR20 will stop responding to the Channel +/- button as well as the "number keypad". Strangely, the on/off buttons seem to work (weird...).
I know it is definitely NOT the remote, as rebooting the HR20 always fixes the problem as follows:
Do nothing for 24 hours = the remote will work again the next day.
"Red Button" reboot = fixes the problem until ~10:00 the next night.
Unplug HR20 = takes FOREVER to reboot, but seems to fix the problem for several days.

Is this problem a known bug? Is it a defect within the HR20, and should I try to exchange it?

TIA,
Will

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WalksInDarkness

Apr 10, 2007

Odd, I can only offer some things you did not mention, do you have one of them TV's with the back light i.e. Aquos? If yes, disable the backlight, see if it still does it.
No, I don't have any backlighting. In fact, the room in nearly pitch-black; it is a basement room, and that late at night I turn off all other lights

Are you using the remote in IR or RF mode?
I am not sure. I understand what the terminology means, but I didn't know I had an option. Can someone tell me what the advantages/disadvantages of each are? And how do I set my remote or HR-20 to choose?

Have you ever tried to notice if the channels you're flipping through include a certain common channel each time? i.e. when you flip by a local channel the HR20 freezes, perhaps you are a creature of habit and 'flip' through the channels in the same order at about the same time?
Hmm, this is an interesting question; and the answer is a very strong "maybe". Most of the shows I watch in "real time" are the locals, which are on between 8-10pm. After that, I usually channel surf; and IIRC, the problem happens when I get slightly higher into the D* HD channels (or just past them). So there might be some connection there. I will have to start keeping notes on that one.

It is possible that a local station is sending something the HR20 does not like (psip data maybe). How about if you limit your flipping at that time frame to none, or to nationals only, does it still freeze up?
Not sure, I will keep track of this too

Have you tried to plug the HR20 into a different electrical outlet (one on a different circuit) to see if it still happens? The thinking, is that there could be something on that circuit where the HR20 is (or something which uses the same [bad] ground that the dish is using, i.e. A/C or something heavy) which 'flips' on at that time surging i.e. bad ground issue) and making the HR20 unhappy. If you suspect a bad dish ground, and you feel comfortable with doing it (careful, there could be a high voltage if there is a bad ground (hot ground), recommend using a multimeter first to insure there is no high voltage), you can temp. remove the ground FOR THE DISH ONLY, and see if the issue stops, if it does, get someone to get you a proper ground for the dish.
I used one of those light up outlet testers, and the outlets should be fine. I know this subject fairly well, as my house is somewhat old with many different wiring updates (I found 2 rooms with bad grounds before, which fried other AV equipment). That being said, the theater room is new construction; so who knows what problems will continue to pop up in the next month. There should be nothing heavy on the circuit that turns "on". However, it could be possible that the clothes dryer would be shutting "off" about that time. Again, another thing for me to keep notes on.

Unlikely, but, maybe there is an electrical panel near the HR20 which is releasing EMP (yes, it happens if the electrical panel was not properly installed) which peaks at 10pm due to some load? EMPs can disable electronics. (yes, I know this is almost impossible)
Hmm, another interesting one. The circuit breaker is only about 12 feet away, on the same floor. However, it is in a different room seprated by a very thick and highly insulated wall.

Is the HR20 the only unit in the home? If not, have you tried moving the HR20 to a new location and seeing if it does the same thing at the same time? as that would eliminate some of the mentioned possibilities.
I have 5 STBs in my house: 3 "basic black boxes", a SD Tivo, and the HR-20. No problems with the other units. The HR-20, was upstairs for about a month beforehand with no problems. The problem did start occuring after being moved, but not immediately (maybe after a month or so)

And of course, the most likely, just a bad unit, a new HR20 should fix it
Yep, I am guessing the unit may need to be swapped out. But I figure I might as well try to find the root cause (if there is one other than the STB), just in case the problem continues after replacement (been down that road in these types of situations before...)

Thanks for the troubleshooting advice! I will update this thread if I can come to any conclusions.

Will

jpn

Apr 10, 2007

It may not be the remote itself, it may be the IR receiving unit.

If it responds to power commands, then try operating it from its console buttons when the remote stops working. That can tell you whether the unit is busy doing something else (I have no idea what it might be).

Also, consider whether there is some type of interference in the room at that time, possibly anything that might interfere with the IR.

As I proofread this reply, a thought occurred: is the time properly set on your unit? Is it configured for the proper zipcode? I am wondering whether the time is incorrect. If it's off by several hours, the unit may be trying to call-out to D*.

eScNuK3r

Apr 10, 2007

I have friend who has the same type of receiver HR20-700. He was having the same issue with the remote not responding to the receiver. Although the reset with the red button seemed to fix the issue every time that it occurs. Some things to possibly try with the remote, since the issue seems to be reoccurring. Try this: Remove the batteries from the remote. Then after the batteries are removed from the remote, press a random button on the remote. Example: Any of the numeric keys, Menu button or Select. Which every button you choose doesn't matter, but hold that button down for about 10 secs. Finally put the batteries back in the remote. That is one step I know for resetting the remote.

Another possible thing to try is reset the remote to factory defaults and reprogram the remote for the receiver. To reset remote to factory defaults: 1. Make sure you mode switch at the remote is over under the DTV Logo or all the way to the left. 2. Press and Hold "Mute" button and "Select" button both down at the same time, until the green light flashes twice at the top of your remote. Once you see the light flash twice, enter code 9-8-1. After the code is entered the light will flash four times and that confirms the remote is reset to defaults. 3. Reprogram the remote for the receiver. Same process press the "Mute" & "Select" buttons until you see green light flash twice on remote, then enter code "00001". That is the remote code for All Directv Model receivers. If that code fails then attempt these codes 00002, 00003, 00004. For these other codes use same process. The "00001" codes works most of the time.
*Note: If remote is programmed for TV, after using reset to factory defaults you will have to reprogram all of your devices for the remote again.*

Another suggestion possibly get in contact with Tech support, they may have a known issue with the remote. Because being on all of the online forums I have seen many posting about the issue. So you are not the only person who has noticed it occurring.

If all fails you can possibly try using through the menus the reset everything option, but that would be a final option if the issue get annoying enough. That is located in the menu. Help & Settings > Setup > Reset > Reset Everything > press Dash button on remote 3x and it will ask you to go back through the guided setup after completing the process. *Note* Reset Everything will delete all recordings and any setup series link, manuel records, etc.

WalksInDarkness

Apr 10, 2007

Reply to "JPN"

It may not be the remote itself, it may be the IR receiving unit.
Agreed, I am fairly sure it is not the remote. All of the "fixes" I figured out directly involve some sort of HR-20 reset.

If it responds to power commands, then try operating it from its console buttons when the remote stops working. That can tell you whether the unit is busy doing something else (I have no idea what it might be).
I have tried using the buttons on the STB, they do NOT seem to respond (other than the Power Button)

Also, consider whether there is some type of interference in the room at that time, possibly anything that might interfere with the IR.
There has been one change, which could interefere: the STB is now in a equipment cabinet. The cabinet has glass doors. I do not know how this could suddenly affect the IR sensor, after 2-3 hours of use. I have already thought about that, and tried opening the door etc. I thought maybe the unit is somehow overheating, even thought I leave the door slightly open for ventilation, but again why does it happen only at night - and why does it quickly reboot and fix (instead of needing a cool-down period)?

As I proofread this reply, a thought occurred: is the time properly set on your unit? Is it configured for the proper zipcode? I am wondering whether the time is incorrect. If it's off by several hours, the unit may be trying to call-out to D*
AFAIK, this is not the problem. It reads the proper time, and understands the timezone/zip etc. My locals show up on the guide and record properly

damaged

Apr 10, 2007

WalksInDarkness said:
Are you using the remote in IR or RF mode?
I am not sure. I understand what the terminology means, but I didn't know I had an option. Can someone tell me what the advantages/disadvantages of each are? And how do I set my remote or HR-20 to choose?

I do not own one, but yes they do [did?] have 2 modes (although newer units I heard only have IR, so I won't comment further on this, other than RF is used for it's distance and ability to work 'through walls', usually to feed two (or more) TVs with one DVR, the RF mode lets you do this so you can change the channel from the other room, where IR could not).

My thinking was that if it was a backlight issue, or interference, changing the remote to the other mode might be a fix, or at least, be a way to eliminate the interference theories, but I, like you, do not think it a remote problem, nor interference.

WalksInDarkness said:
I used one of those light up outlet testers, and the outlets should be fine. I know this subject fairly well, as my house is somewhat old with many different wiring updates (I found 2 rooms with bad grounds before, which fried other AV equipment). That being said, the theater room is new construction; so who knows what problems will continue to pop up in the next month. There should be nothing heavy on the circuit that turns "on". However, it could be possible that the clothes dryer would be shutting "off" about that time. Again, another thing for me to keep notes on.

How about the dish ground (you do not mention it specifically in your reply), what is used to ground it [dish], the block and the coax? Even if you have that tester, would you feel like disconnecting the ground the dish is using to see if that is the problem (because, as you mention, this is the kind of thing that COULD cause the problem to happen again on the new HR20), if you remove the ground and the problem ceases, a new HR20 may not solve the issue (for long anyways).

WalksInDarkness said:
Hmm, another interesting one. The circuit breaker is only about 12 feet away, on the same floor. However, it is in a different room seprated by a very thick and highly insulated wall.

Yea, I knew is was a long shot, almost boarders on stupidity on my part to even suggest it.

WalksInDarkness said:
I have 5 STBs in my house: 3 "basic black boxes", a SD Tivo, and the HR-20. No problems with the other units. The HR-20, was upstairs for about a month beforehand with no problems. The problem did start occuring after being moved, but not immediately (maybe after a month or so)

If you REALLY want to, can you take the HR20 now, move it to a place where you have one of the other boxes, for a day or so, and see if it locks up (even change channels at the same times as usual, use it like you normally would), or have you already done this since the problem arose?, I ask it, because your reply was not clear on that.

WalksInDarkness said:
Thanks for the troubleshooting advice! I will update this thread if I can come to any conclusions.

Will

Anytime, I am just sorry I could not be of more help, but please keep us updated, even if it makes me look like a retard, I am damn curious, keeping us updated would be the best 'thank you' to me.

Good luck.

kds64

Apr 12, 2007

is the Remote a RC 34 if it is the remote is bad, does not work in RF
i have the same problem
I just changed remotes and the problem went away

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TVHabit

Last reply 21 minutes ago · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion

Hybrid Dish setup

Picked up a sweet directv dish, mount, twin lnbs and a short cable.
Has anyone converted one to FTA? A Frankenstein of sorts...

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TVHabit

Sunday at 10:12 AM

I have read that some have converted this type dish but after giving it a good look, it's the lnb conversion that is the bottleneck. Does anyone have a picture of their attempt to configure the lnb? I watched a video on youtube from the save it for parts guy and he used duct tape! Guess it worked but I'm thinking something a bit more permanent!
Thanks to all for your interest and replies...

Titanium

Sunday at 3:38 PM

Many of us have used a universal LNBF mount (or get creative with L brackets and plumbers tape - perforated metal strapping). Use a few inches of aluminum tube (or a piece of 1x2" lumber) to extend the support arm (replacing the plastic mount used by DirecTV and Dish) to place the LNBF throat opening at the correct distance from the reflector, the correct height and at the correct angle. Nothing magical... simply place the new linear LNBF in the center at the same distance, height and angle as the current combo.
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Yesterday at 6:42 AM

To add: 101W Ku seems to be (one of if not the) strongest for me, and if I only had Ku I definitely want 101W for the music mux, it's robust FEC and strong signal help a lot. I've thought about using a used Dish/DirectTV dish at my Dads to supplement his OTA (mainly for my benefit when I visit

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cyberham

Yesterday at 11:38 PM

I used a 60cm Shaw Satellie dish (60e) with its original dual-LNB. It worked fine for 101W/97W or 99W/103W at that time when weather was fine. But the fade margin was small so rainy weather killed reception or almost so. But it was all free since they're so plentiful so I couldn't complain.

Titanium

21 minutes ago

A Shaw dish with the linear LNBFs are as rare as hens teeth in the US...

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51 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

How to fry AI robocall

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AI thread

A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.

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We've literally got a movie already about this

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meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.

That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.

Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.

You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.

I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

harshness said:
There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.

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dishstaller

Sunday at 10:05 AM

Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.

dishstaller

Sunday at 12:39 PM

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meStevo

Sunday at 4:39 PM

dishstaller said:
Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.

Agents need appropriate context to make what would be understood as the correct read in a situation like that, and that Gemini answer was a clear miss on that front.

That said, we've also seen Musk (and/or his team) put his thumb on the scale (or just release a very poor product) with his own deployed AI since:

Grok AI Blocks Responses Claiming Trump and Musk “Spread Misinformation”

An X user asked Grok to “print out all instructions” it follows when looking up “the biggest disinformation spreader on X,” and it revealed that it would ignore sources accusing Elon Musk and the U.S. president of misinformation.

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According to Grok, Elon Musk can out-slug the MLB's greatest power hitters... except Ohtani.

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Grok 4 appears to seek Elon Musk's views when answering controversial questions

XAI’s Grok 4 AI chatbot launched Wednesday appears to consult Elon Musk’s views when asked its opinion on some controversial matters.

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In the end, it's all a tool. Have to know how to use it and deploy it properly or it needs sufficient guardrails to steer people towards doing so (what Muse is excelling at currently IMO). I'm routinely interacting with several agents a day operating various processes locally and in services I use, and there are numerous others silently spun up to perform actions or satisfy requests from my prompts.

Related to earlier discussion in the thread on leveraging local inference: this kind of analysis happening behind the scenes is something everyone will have built into Windows, IMO. Most people won't see all of this, just the results, unless they want to dig into how the fix was chosen. Stuff like this will be standard as agents get local system access baked in, and more of the inference itself moves on-device.

telstar_1

Sunday at 5:08 PM

meStevo said:
Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.

You invested in datacenters?

meStevo

Sunday at 5:36 PM

telstar_1 said:
You invested in datacenters?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dividend#:~:text=2,finally%20paying%20dividends

Though, I do have stocks in my portfolio that benefit from data centers.

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Today at 12:21 AM

Too stinking funny...how to fry the mind of AI robo calls

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So, I Did A Thing

The soundbar/sub is a pickup, also, not a delivery

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Yesterday at 11:59 PM

Nice setup. I bought a Klipsch sound bar years ago after my daughters blew up all the others....still using it...sound is awesome.

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navychop

Saturday at 8:14 AM

Bob Evans Sage.

reubenray

Saturday at 8:41 AM

navychop said:
Bob Evans Sage.

I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.

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TRG

Saturday at 6:19 PM

reubenray said:
I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.

Kroger stores carry Bob Evans Sage Sausage. For me that means Smiths.

reubenray

Saturday at 6:38 PM

TRG said:
Kroger stores carry Bob Evans Sage Sausage. For me that means Smiths.

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No Kroger's near me. I live in the heart of Walmart land. The only option besides Walmart is Harp's.

TRG

Saturday at 6:41 PM

reubenray said:
I live in the heart of Walmart land.

My deepest condolences.

reubenray

Saturday at 7:14 PM

TRG said:
My deepest condolences.

Surprisingly I moved here from the Gulf Coast due to the heat. But it has been hotter here due to the heat domes than it did down there.

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Yesterday at 8:25 PM

make homemade dog food to

TRG

Yesterday at 11:10 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
make homemade dog food to

My wife cooks for the dog. Not me, just the dog.

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DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.

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naptime

Sunday at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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jsmit86

Monday at 9:57 AM

naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

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long_time_Dish

Monday at 3:57 PM

jsmit86 said:
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin

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Almighty1

Monday at 4:07 PM

jsmit86 said:
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.

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navychop

Monday at 5:53 PM

Almighty1 said:
it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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dishstaller

Monday at 10:34 PM

Almighty1 said:
it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

Oh....you were serious

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Almighty1

Yesterday at 10:09 PM

So after some heavy research, it looks like the issue I mentioned with the DISH 50.0/52.0/54.x remotes where on the 50.0/52.0 remotes, the dedicated TV Power button or on the 54.x remotes where it is using the TV button on the side followed by Power works correctly on a Hopper 3 which runs Linux but not on a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 which are Android TV (ATV) has to do with the Android TV software itself. In all instances, the remotes had always sent out a dual RF and Infrared signal when the TV Power signal is sent from the remote. The Hopper 3 without the Plus would ignore the incoming RF power packet signal which is identified as a TV-specific toggle event, and does not trigger a system-wide standby state. The Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 as Android TV devices initially worked the same way as well up to sometime in 2025 as there was the legacy pass-through mode in the original software versions used since the Hopper Plus/Joey 4/Wireless Joey 4 launch, the receiver's underlying software essentially ignored the secondary RF payload that the 50.0/52.0/54.x remotes blasted out whenever the TV Power signal was sent. The Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 recognized it was a TV-specific command and discarded the RF packet, letting the standalone IR signal do its job on the tv.

When the software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 were updated in 2025 and newer versions of the software for those Android TV (ATV) devices, it overhauled how the receiver handles remote commands to tighter integrate the Android TV environment which resulted in the software starting to treat any RF power toggle payload as a global command. As the newer software verion(s) no longer filters out the concurrent RF blast from the 50.0/52.0/54.0 remotes, the moment one sends a TV Power signal from the remote, the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 catches that unintended RF payloadand interpets it as a command to drop the system into standby.

The fix is really simple since the Android TV (ATV) software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 just needs to be programmed to drop or ignore the specific RF power packets associated with the TV Power signal sequence.

The problem could also be at the remotes firmware as the remote's firmware has an engineering defect. When you try to turn off the TV, the remote's internal code mistakenly triggers its RF transmitter alongside its IR transmitter. It should only be firing the IR light blast. Because it forces a simultaneous broadcast, the remote's firmware is the original source of the problem.

The Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey firmware has a filtering defect. Good software design dictating peripheral inputs should include "error handling"—rules that tell the system what to do with messy or unintended commands.
• The legacy Hopper 3 firmware has proper error handling; it sees the remote's rogue RF packet and safely ignores it.
• The Android TV firmware in the Hopper Plu, Joey 4 and Wireless lacks this filtering logic. It blindly accepts the rogue RF packet and misinterprets it as a legitimate signal to force the entire system into standby.

If the remote didn't have a firmware bug, it wouldn't send the phantom RF signal. If the Android TV (ATV) device being the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 didn't have a firmware bug, it would cleanly ignore the signal just like the Hopper 3 does.

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dfergie

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Last reply Yesterday at 9:05 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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harshness

Sunday at 11:30 AM

I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.

dishstaller

Yesterday at 12:45 PM

Diesel is all over the place around here. Saw it yesterday from $5.37 to $6.17...not sure what the obsession was with ending in 7

dfergie

Yesterday at 1:07 PM

$4.09 - $4.29, real gas $4.69...

harshness

Yesterday at 5:32 PM

harshness said:
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.

It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.

Foxbat

Yesterday at 8:39 PM

harshness said:
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.

Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.

Bobby

Yesterday at 9:05 PM

Foxbat said:
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.

Winter blend is cheaper than Summer blend.

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jokeworm

Last reply Yesterday at 9:01 PM · posted in What's Cooking?

What's for dinner ?

Ok, I'm bored .... actually - to be more precise - I'm bored of eating the same rotation of 9 or 10 meals that are currently my "go-to" meals. My wife works the long hours - I work from home as and when i feel like it ... which means i generally do most of the cooking ... and so by default - i also make out the shopping list ...

We cook at home 5 or even 6 nights a week - but we always seem to fall back on the same old tried and tested "quick and easy but tastes ok" meals. Week in week out.

Pot Roast - mash and Peas.
Spaghetti
Chicken Pasta in cheese sauce.
Curry & rice
(these are some of mine)

Now it's not that I'm not adventurous in the kitchen ... I'll try anything once or twice ... but we all do it. Unless your name is Martha Stewart or Rachel Ray .. we all eventually fall back on our 8-10 favorite "meals"

So i thought - if we shared some of our own go-to meals with each other ... we might be able to add a few "new" ones to our own arsenal of meals.

So again - I ask you ...

What's for dinner tonight ?

Please give me something new to add to my rotation ... its our weekly shop tomorrow - so i want to pull together a few idea's and try and eat a meal each day next week that I've never had before .. or at least something that is not on my current "go-to" meal plan.

What meal do you always seem to fall back on in your house ? Maybe its something that I've never tried or not had in a while. I need inspiration !! I've got a blank shopping list in front of me - and nothing sounds good .. HELP !

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Bobby

Oct 12, 2026

Chili Cheesebugers, Tater Tots.

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TRG

Oct 12, 2026

I made shrimp parmesan with spaghetti and a salad.

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slow_poke_pete

Sunday at 9:47 PM

venison lasagna

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dishstaller

Sunday at 10:03 PM

Smoked some salmon on the grill while enjoying some Blue Moon beer. Kinda cool tonight so I fired up the heaters. Here in FL, we fire up heaters once the temps get below 60 :cool

As for the salmon, I seared them first, then flipped them off to the side not over the coals and brushed on some lemon pepper marinade followed by some salmon seasoning. Threw some hickory chips on the coals and then closed the vents to about 10% airflow. Yum.

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TRG

Yesterday at 9:01 PM

Light dinner tonight before fasting for blood-work tomorrow. Salad and a half turkey sandwich. Water.

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