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I purchased a PANAMX M8HC-PRO Surge Protector for use with a newly acquired Vip 622 because it has two satellite coax protection circuits and was DishPro approved (at least according to PANAMAX - - I don't have access to the newest E* approved accessories list). The PANAMAX advertising, packing box, and user instructions indicate the two included short coax cables to facilitate hook-up are RG6. Upon close examination, it's actually RG59 which the 622 owners manual says not to use. An enquiring email to 'custrelations@panamax.com' went ignored after two business days 
so be forewarned.
so be forewarned.
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PANAMAX Finally Replied - - They Are Sending RG6
It's RG59. It's thinner than RG6, the stinger is 20 AWG vice 18 and it's labeled, albeit very faintly, RG59. Why not you go to Radio Shack and buy the jumpers for me since they're only $1.00 each (which I doubt). I'll PM my address.
The real issue is all the folks that get the RG59 and don't know the difference and then have problems with their DISH PRO system. The even transponders, at a minimum, will be sensitive to rain fade. In my email I asked if they were going to make a public announcement - - no response to that question. All they said was that they will notify the packing department. Who knows how long this problem existed.
It's RG59. It's thinner than RG6, the stinger is 20 AWG vice 18 and it's labeled, albeit very faintly, RG59. Why not you go to Radio Shack and buy the jumpers for me since they're only $1.00 each (which I doubt). I'll PM my address.
The real issue is all the folks that get the RG59 and don't know the difference and then have problems with their DISH PRO system. The even transponders, at a minimum, will be sensitive to rain fade. In my email I asked if they were going to make a public announcement - - no response to that question. All they said was that they will notify the packing department. Who knows how long this problem existed.
Just curious, is the difference between RG6 and RG59 really that drastic?
To the best of my knowledge, my last install used existing RG59 runs from outside my apartment to inside (2 runs @ approx. 50' each) with DPP and DP LNB/switches, and I haven't had an issue in over two years...
To the best of my knowledge, my last install used existing RG59 runs from outside my apartment to inside (2 runs @ approx. 50' each) with DPP and DP LNB/switches, and I haven't had an issue in over two years...
It's RG59. It's thinner than RG6, the stinger is 20 AWG vice 18 and it's labeled, albeit very faintly, RG59. Why not you go to Radio Shack and buy the jumpers for me since they're only $1.00 each (which I doubt). I'll PM my address.
The real issue is all the folks that get the RG59 and don't know the difference and then have problems with their DISH PRO system. The even transponders, at a minimum, will be sensitive to rain fade. In my email I asked if they were going to make a public announcement - - no response to that question. All they said was that they will notify the packing department. Who knows how long this problem existed.
Ant hills bubby, ant hills and sure I'll buy you that jumper but its a $59 COD.
Just curious, is the difference between RG6 and RG59 really that drastic?
To the best of my knowledge, my last install used existing RG59 runs from outside my apartment to inside (2 runs @ approx. 50' each) with DPP and DP LNB/switches, and I haven't had an issue in over two years...
Its not so noticeable with legacy gear, more with dishpro, and your probably talking about minutes with dishpro plus. Ive seen legacy systems running on 59 fine for 7 years on 15 year old cable yet a legacy system go down in a brand new house wired with 59 and the install was only a day old. Seen a few dishpro systems run on it fine for 2 years or more to so really its hit or miss but I wouldnt do it with dpp and expect it to run for long at all. I think in your instance if there are no splices in the 59 run wich Im asuming goes from the switch into the recievers and its relatively new then it should be fine for now but dont hold your breath.
Rg59
I guess E* is the only one who can give an official answer. In addition to the signal attenuation issue, I would speculate that E*, when testing vendors' barrel connectors, TVSS(s), ground blocks, etc. for Dish Pro approval, test them with RG6 which has a larger center conductor (18 AWG vs. 20 AWG) and is verified to consistently pass the ~ .5 amp required by DDP LNBFs such as the 1000.2. Using RG59 in these same female F connectors probably would give less favorable test results (18 AWG has ~ 59% more surface area than 20 AWG). E* definitely does NOT recommend RG59 jumpers in the profile between the receiver and LNBF. The RG59 jumpers that come with the VIP 622 receiver are labeled with: "For connections between the satellite receiver and the television only."
Anyway, my position with PANAMAX is that you should get what you paid for and including RG59 with a TVSS claimed to be DP approved is just plain wrong.
Just curious, is the difference between RG6 and RG59 really that drastic?
To the best of my knowledge, my last install used existing RG59 runs from outside my apartment to inside (2 runs @ approx. 50' each) with DPP and DP LNB/switches, and I haven't had an issue in over two years...
I guess E* is the only one who can give an official answer. In addition to the signal attenuation issue, I would speculate that E*, when testing vendors' barrel connectors, TVSS(s), ground blocks, etc. for Dish Pro approval, test them with RG6 which has a larger center conductor (18 AWG vs. 20 AWG) and is verified to consistently pass the ~ .5 amp required by DDP LNBFs such as the 1000.2. Using RG59 in these same female F connectors probably would give less favorable test results (18 AWG has ~ 59% more surface area than 20 AWG). E* definitely does NOT recommend RG59 jumpers in the profile between the receiver and LNBF. The RG59 jumpers that come with the VIP 622 receiver are labeled with: "For connections between the satellite receiver and the television only."
Anyway, my position with PANAMAX is that you should get what you paid for and including RG59 with a TVSS claimed to be DP approved is just plain wrong.
Dish Pro Approved??
Thanks for the info. This brings up a very interesting point. I sent a second email to PANAMAX on a different Surge Protector Monday May 3rd:
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Panamax,
I have your model M8DBS5 with a manufactured date stamped on the back of
20031104 that is still new. I recently purchased a Dish Network model
622 receiver and want to use the M8DBS5 as it protects 4 coax lines, 2 satellite and 2 CATV and the 622 has two satellite connections, a CATV/antenna connection and a house distribution coax output that I intend to connect through the second CATV protection circuit.
As this is a DishPro receiver, I note that your site link http://www.panamax.com/sitesearch.cfm?sec=site indicates the M8DBS5 is DishPro approved. Your link http://www.panamax.com/products.cfm?sec=detail&id=8&ly=v shows the satellite coax protection circuit has less than 1 db of attenuation from 950 MHz to 2.2 GHz. However, the information on the box of the M8DBS5 I have indicates the less than 1 db of attenuation only extends to frequency 2.0 GHz. Is this just a misprint or do some of the earlier manufactured units have additional attenuation above 2.0 Ghz? This is important to me as DishPro I.F. extends to 2.15 GHz.
Thanks
(unquote) No reply received (yet).
I had previously researched the PANAMAX site and they claimed the following 4 Surge Protector's were DishPro approved in addition to the one you mentioned:
M8DBS5 http://www.panamax.com/products.cfm?sec=detail&id=8&ly=v
M8DBS-EX http://www.panamax.com/products.cfm?sec=detail&id=249&ly=v
M8HC-PRO http://www.panamax.com/products.cfm?sec=detail&id=236&ly=v
PM8DBS-EX http://www.panamax.com/products.cfm?sec=detail&id=238&ly=v
The Dish Pro approval claim was in the PDF Product Data Sheet on the pages of the above links. HOWEVER, O/A this past Wednesday, those PDF links became dead (The page cannot be found). HOWEVER, the PDF Product Data Sheet for the SurgeProtector8 DBS+2 (which really is DP approved ) in the link: http://www.panamax.com/products.cfm?sec=detail&id=9&ly=v is still active and shows the DP approval.
SOMETHING DON'T SMELL RIGHT! False advertising maybe??
Thanks for the info. This brings up a very interesting point. I sent a second email to PANAMAX on a different Surge Protector Monday May 3rd:
(quote)
Panamax,
I have your model M8DBS5 with a manufactured date stamped on the back of
20031104 that is still new. I recently purchased a Dish Network model
622 receiver and want to use the M8DBS5 as it protects 4 coax lines, 2 satellite and 2 CATV and the 622 has two satellite connections, a CATV/antenna connection and a house distribution coax output that I intend to connect through the second CATV protection circuit.
As this is a DishPro receiver, I note that your site link http://www.panamax.com/sitesearch.cfm?sec=site indicates the M8DBS5 is DishPro approved. Your link http://www.panamax.com/products.cfm?sec=detail&id=8&ly=v shows the satellite coax protection circuit has less than 1 db of attenuation from 950 MHz to 2.2 GHz. However, the information on the box of the M8DBS5 I have indicates the less than 1 db of attenuation only extends to frequency 2.0 GHz. Is this just a misprint or do some of the earlier manufactured units have additional attenuation above 2.0 Ghz? This is important to me as DishPro I.F. extends to 2.15 GHz.
Thanks
(unquote) No reply received (yet).
I had previously researched the PANAMAX site and they claimed the following 4 Surge Protector's were DishPro approved in addition to the one you mentioned:
M8DBS5 http://www.panamax.com/products.cfm?sec=detail&id=8&ly=v
M8DBS-EX http://www.panamax.com/products.cfm?sec=detail&id=249&ly=v
M8HC-PRO http://www.panamax.com/products.cfm?sec=detail&id=236&ly=v
PM8DBS-EX http://www.panamax.com/products.cfm?sec=detail&id=238&ly=v
The Dish Pro approval claim was in the PDF Product Data Sheet on the pages of the above links. HOWEVER, O/A this past Wednesday, those PDF links became dead
(The page cannot be found). HOWEVER, the PDF Product Data Sheet for the SurgeProtector8 DBS+2 (which really is DP approved ) in the link: http://www.panamax.com/products.cfm?sec=detail&id=9&ly=v is still active and shows the DP approval. SOMETHING DON'T SMELL RIGHT! False advertising maybe??
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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I thought I posted it as I usually have nothing to do but sit at my desk in the morning scrolling the interwebs , but my mom passed away the day before so my mind was mush.I noticed you missed last week's… Much like the SEC Shorts!
College Football Playoff nears agreement on 24-team expansion that could end title games
The College Football Playoff field is about to get much more crowded as the conferences near a deal to double the size of the field to 24 teams starting next year
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Wasn't exactly sure where to post this. Just had a customer come in inquiring about internet. He has HughesNet and had heard good things about mine. He asked if we provided email addresses and it kinda caught me off guard. I said he should be able to keep whatever email he had been using....my sister in law is still using a BellSouth email addy and they haven't been around here for many years. He said he had gotten a letter from HughesNet stating that they had until Nov 16th to save, move, forward, whatever, their Hughesnet emails because they would lose them after that date.
I have never heard of a company simply mass-deleting email accounts (the customer still has his HughesNet service). From what I understand, in the past, the company who was ditching their email service simply sold the customer base to a company like Google.
Anyone else getting this letter. He said he would show it to me tomorrow when I go out there and set up his internet.
I have never heard of a company simply mass-deleting email accounts (the customer still has his HughesNet service). From what I understand, in the past, the company who was ditching their email service simply sold the customer base to a company like Google.
Anyone else getting this letter. He said he would show it to me tomorrow when I go out there and set up his internet.
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Still the same number of years, just more Sunsets…Wouldn't we then die of old age sooner?
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Hard getting used to the new younger Gibbs, Mark Harmons son had the right look but I understand he didn't want the role.
Still I'm enjoying, pretty good job with Franks.
Still I'm enjoying, pretty good job with Franks.
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Mark Harmon is coming back as Gibbs in Origins, for the full season. Just saw, Dinozzo too, on NCIS . That will be an interesting writing project.
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Mark Harmon Returning To 'NCIS: Origins' As Gibbs For Season 3
Mark Harmon is returning to NCIS: Origins for a season-long arc.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.
I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Tony as the director.
Would you rather have LaRoche ???Tony as the director.
OTHER Mini Multiswitch
I just received 6 receiver 2 port mini Multiswitch and it work great, no external power need it, and you can connect 6 receiver instead of 4 on most Mini Multiswitches... If anyone is interested in where they can get one PM me....
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This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.
As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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I have been optimizing the site the past few days... and got us here now. 
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. 
WTF… …What the Foxbat!Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.
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Can't help but wonder if a worker overlooked checking the harness. I rarely ride a roller coaster anymore but when I do I check the harness myself pretty aggressively.
Can't imagine what the son is going through.
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Can't imagine what the son is going through.
Dad levitated and bled then fell to his death from coaster
Eyewitnesses have shared fresh details of the horrific accident that happened at Six Flags Over Georgia on Monday afternoon.
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Could B&M’s Patent on the “Clamshell” Ride Restraint Design Offer Clues as to What Happened on Goliath at Six Flags Over Georgia?
Incredibly sad news out of Six Flags Over Georgia as it’s being reported one man was killed after being ejected from Goliath, the B&M hyper coaster. Many news outlets have posted pictures of pe…
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Had no idea there were that many redundancies built into those restraints.Could B&M’s Patent on the “Clamshell” Ride Restraint Design Offer Clues as to What Happened on Goliath at Six Flags Over Georgia?
Incredibly sad news out of Six Flags Over Georgia as it’s being reported one man was killed after being ejected from Goliath, the B&M hyper coaster. Many news outlets have posted pictures of pe…
It makes sense, however, I would want more types of restraints, so if one doesn't work, the other does ... the restraints coming over the shoulder I would have expected ... with a Seat belt as last resort.
Fwiw, I inquired with what they use on Coasters at Cedar Point, various Coasters, different restraints according to what the car and track requires ...
NONE of the Coasters at CP use THAT particular system
I'm glad to see ...
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