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Welcome to SatelliteGuys.US and our coverage of the 2007 Dish Network Team Summit.
Before I continue, I would like to ask that if you would like to see us continue our coverage from shows such as Team Summit, CES, SBE and CEDIA to consider becoming a supporting Pub Member. Becoming a pub member is only $20 a year and it helps us do thes special events and also helps us keep the lights on.
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The Dish Network Team Summit Opened with a video showing the Dish Network Nascar team and all of the success they have had this year.
After the video is done "REX" a animated face appears on the screen. Rex welcomes us to Team Summit and then introduces Charlie Ergen.
Charlie comes out and welcomes us to Dish Networks Team Summit, and announced that this years team summit is the 10th Team Summit event they have had.
At the first Team Summit in 1986 Charlie said his vision was a Dish in every Home.
Today is is modifying this vision, which now is.
A Dish in Every Home
A DVR in Every Home
HDTV in Every Home
Broadband in Every Home
Charlie tells the attendees that the oportunities for DIsh Network and retailers have never been better.
Dish Network is the leader is Digital Delivery with a fleet of 15 satellites.
In addition he lands a major bombshell.
Dish Network will be launching two new satellites by this December.
On these two Satellites they will be relaunching Dish Network in FULL MPEG4. All current Dish Network Channels will be available in full MPEG4. And everything will be receivable with just one 18 inch dish.
On these two satellites they will be able to offer the following:
200 LIL Cities in Standard Definion
HD Locals to 100 Cities
200 National HD Channels
1000 Standard Definition Channels
200 International Channels.
Again all on one 18" Dish with one cable coming into your house.
Charlie is very proud of this announcement and its another first for Dish Network. Other Firsts include...
First IRD (Intergrated Receiver, Descrambler)
First DVR
First Dual Tuner
First MPEG4
First HD DVR
Charlie then talks about broadband and talks about Wildblue, Dish DSL and also announces that WIMAX will be coming soon.
Charlie talks about programming and says how Dish offers the most choice anywhere. He said he would love to sell all channels ala carte but the programmers wont let him.
In the last year Dish has captured 52% of all new Satellite subscribers, and in the last 5 quarters has outpaced DirecTV by 58%.
Charlie wraps up by telling the retailers that Opportunity has never been greater.
With that Charlie wraps up and REX introduces Leslie Harper.
Leslie comes out and shows us how to use the new features on the 622.
She also tells us that DishCOMM has been turned on in the 622's and will soon be turned on in the 211, this will allow all the boxes to talk to each other.
With that Mark Jackson comes out and joins Leslie Harper on stage.
The QAM QBOX will work with the 622 and 211 this summer, this will be the first time dealers can install HD in a QAM enviroment.
He then tells us about a few of the new receivers coming out. the ViP 222 which is like a Dish 322 but it does HD.
The 612 is a Dual Tuner DVR that feeds out to one TV.
The 722 will have a 500 gig hard drive and will also supposet HD VOD.
He then talks about DishONLINE and how simple it is to wire using DishCOMM / Homeplug technology.
External Storage will be available this summer and currently it will support hard drives up to 750 GB. He explains that external sorage will help Dish reduce churn as customer who fill up external hard drives are not going to leav dish, as they will not be able to view their recorded libraries anywhere else.
He then showed us that we can turn a Dish 211 into a DVR by hooking up an external hard drive. He said it would act like a Dish 510 reciver and would do trick play (pause rewind fast forward) and also do a 9 day EPG. Again he said it would be like a Dish 510 receiver but in high definition.
He then talks about the Echostar TR40 which will be an Off Air Digitial Tuner which will convert digital off air signals and will convert those signals so a regular SDTV can view them. These receivers are eligible for the goverments $40 coupon program, in fact the TR in the TR40 stands for Transition and the 40 in TR 40 means $40 coupon compliant.
They then showed the new Dish Pro Plus 33 Switch, which can do 3 orbital locations and feed 3 receivers. It needs no power inserter and its not trunkable.
Leslie and Mark went off stage so Rex introduces us to Carl Vogel, the president and Vice Chaiman.
Carl urges retailers to stay focused on the customer.
Dish Network has the fastest growth in pay tv.
And unlike Direct TV, Dish has been owned and run by the same company since birth, while DirecTV gets sold off every few years.
Dish is the leader in HDTV and Dish will continue to be the leader in HD.
Carl tells us that in October 2007 the Program Access law will expire and how important it is that congress renews this act.
Next out come Eric Sahl, VP of Programming and Bobby Billman VP of marketing.
They talk about Local Marketing.
Then they talk about the NFL and how Dish offers more football then cable at half the price of Digtal Cable.
NFL Network is in Dish Networks Base package.
The then say what better way to have a football fan show his dish and his team pride with Dish Covers by DishSkinz, which are a plastic cover which attaches to your Dish. (These are great I have two of them already!)
They talk about Nascar.
They talk about PPV and mention that they are close with deals with Sony and Fox to offer their libraries on PPV and VOD.
They will be launching Showtime and Stars Subscription VOD service later this year.
They talk about Dish Online and mention remote DVR programming.
They then announce Cinemax HD is launching today (when they announced it the channel was already available for about 45 minutes, I was happy to see this one!)
They announced upcoming HD Local Cities
Anchorage, AL 6/7
Juneau, AL 6/7
Fairbanks, AL 6/7
Honolulu, HI 6/7
Birmingham, AL - This Summer
Oklahoma, OK - This Summer
Wilmington, ND in SD this Summer
Next up come Jim Defranco and Erik Carlson, who talk about Dealer stuff and issues. They tell retailers how to get a customer and keep a customer.
Some things of interest to you the consumer are as follows:
Dish DVR Advantage is changing on June 1st.
Credit Card Auto Pay will no longer be required
No 18 Month commitment is requires
In addition AT 250 will be available with Dish DVR Advantage for $59.99
In addition they are simplifying the premium packages with Dish DVR Advantage.
So if you have Dish DVR advantage with AT 200 for $49 a month you can get premiums at
2 Premium Service for $20 more
3 Premium Services for $30 more
4 Premium Service for $40 more
And in a way to upsell you to AT250 for $59 a month you can get premiums for...
1 for $10
2 for $20
3 for $30
4 for $40
And plus you can add HD to any of the above for only $20 more a month.
With that they wrapped up and introduced Al Gore, who gave a great (and funny speach) If he acted this human when he was running for president he would have won the ellection.
And that wrapped up the General Assembly.
Now I am headed down to the Expo Floor and will be takinig LOTS of pictures.
Stay Tuned. And again thanks for your continued support!
digiblur's note: If you are going to quote this message, please refrain from quoting the entire message.
Before I continue, I would like to ask that if you would like to see us continue our coverage from shows such as Team Summit, CES, SBE and CEDIA to consider becoming a supporting Pub Member. Becoming a pub member is only $20 a year and it helps us do thes special events and also helps us keep the lights on.
For more information on becoming a supporting pub member please CLICK HERE and thank you for your support!
Also if you post this info anywhere else please credit SatelliteGuys for the information.
The Dish Network Team Summit Opened with a video showing the Dish Network Nascar team and all of the success they have had this year.
After the video is done "REX" a animated face appears on the screen. Rex welcomes us to Team Summit and then introduces Charlie Ergen.
Charlie comes out and welcomes us to Dish Networks Team Summit, and announced that this years team summit is the 10th Team Summit event they have had.
At the first Team Summit in 1986 Charlie said his vision was a Dish in every Home.
Today is is modifying this vision, which now is.
A Dish in Every Home
A DVR in Every Home
HDTV in Every Home
Broadband in Every Home
Charlie tells the attendees that the oportunities for DIsh Network and retailers have never been better.
Dish Network is the leader is Digital Delivery with a fleet of 15 satellites.
In addition he lands a major bombshell.
Dish Network will be launching two new satellites by this December.
On these two Satellites they will be relaunching Dish Network in FULL MPEG4. All current Dish Network Channels will be available in full MPEG4. And everything will be receivable with just one 18 inch dish.
On these two satellites they will be able to offer the following:
200 LIL Cities in Standard Definion
HD Locals to 100 Cities
200 National HD Channels
1000 Standard Definition Channels
200 International Channels.
Again all on one 18" Dish with one cable coming into your house.
Charlie is very proud of this announcement and its another first for Dish Network. Other Firsts include...
First IRD (Intergrated Receiver, Descrambler)
First DVR
First Dual Tuner
First MPEG4
First HD DVR
Charlie then talks about broadband and talks about Wildblue, Dish DSL and also announces that WIMAX will be coming soon.
Charlie talks about programming and says how Dish offers the most choice anywhere. He said he would love to sell all channels ala carte but the programmers wont let him.
In the last year Dish has captured 52% of all new Satellite subscribers, and in the last 5 quarters has outpaced DirecTV by 58%.
Charlie wraps up by telling the retailers that Opportunity has never been greater.
With that Charlie wraps up and REX introduces Leslie Harper.
Leslie comes out and shows us how to use the new features on the 622.
She also tells us that DishCOMM has been turned on in the 622's and will soon be turned on in the 211, this will allow all the boxes to talk to each other.
With that Mark Jackson comes out and joins Leslie Harper on stage.
The QAM QBOX will work with the 622 and 211 this summer, this will be the first time dealers can install HD in a QAM enviroment.
He then tells us about a few of the new receivers coming out. the ViP 222 which is like a Dish 322 but it does HD.
The 612 is a Dual Tuner DVR that feeds out to one TV.
The 722 will have a 500 gig hard drive and will also supposet HD VOD.
He then talks about DishONLINE and how simple it is to wire using DishCOMM / Homeplug technology.
External Storage will be available this summer and currently it will support hard drives up to 750 GB. He explains that external sorage will help Dish reduce churn as customer who fill up external hard drives are not going to leav dish, as they will not be able to view their recorded libraries anywhere else.
He then showed us that we can turn a Dish 211 into a DVR by hooking up an external hard drive. He said it would act like a Dish 510 reciver and would do trick play (pause rewind fast forward) and also do a 9 day EPG. Again he said it would be like a Dish 510 receiver but in high definition.
He then talks about the Echostar TR40 which will be an Off Air Digitial Tuner which will convert digital off air signals and will convert those signals so a regular SDTV can view them. These receivers are eligible for the goverments $40 coupon program, in fact the TR in the TR40 stands for Transition and the 40 in TR 40 means $40 coupon compliant.
They then showed the new Dish Pro Plus 33 Switch, which can do 3 orbital locations and feed 3 receivers. It needs no power inserter and its not trunkable.
Leslie and Mark went off stage so Rex introduces us to Carl Vogel, the president and Vice Chaiman.
Carl urges retailers to stay focused on the customer.
Dish Network has the fastest growth in pay tv.
And unlike Direct TV, Dish has been owned and run by the same company since birth, while DirecTV gets sold off every few years.
Dish is the leader in HDTV and Dish will continue to be the leader in HD.
Carl tells us that in October 2007 the Program Access law will expire and how important it is that congress renews this act.
Next out come Eric Sahl, VP of Programming and Bobby Billman VP of marketing.
They talk about Local Marketing.
Then they talk about the NFL and how Dish offers more football then cable at half the price of Digtal Cable.
NFL Network is in Dish Networks Base package.
The then say what better way to have a football fan show his dish and his team pride with Dish Covers by DishSkinz, which are a plastic cover which attaches to your Dish. (These are great I have two of them already!)
They talk about Nascar.
They talk about PPV and mention that they are close with deals with Sony and Fox to offer their libraries on PPV and VOD.
They will be launching Showtime and Stars Subscription VOD service later this year.
They talk about Dish Online and mention remote DVR programming.
They then announce Cinemax HD is launching today (when they announced it the channel was already available for about 45 minutes, I was happy to see this one!)
They announced upcoming HD Local Cities
Anchorage, AL 6/7
Juneau, AL 6/7
Fairbanks, AL 6/7
Honolulu, HI 6/7
Birmingham, AL - This Summer
Oklahoma, OK - This Summer
Wilmington, ND in SD this Summer
Next up come Jim Defranco and Erik Carlson, who talk about Dealer stuff and issues. They tell retailers how to get a customer and keep a customer.
Some things of interest to you the consumer are as follows:
Dish DVR Advantage is changing on June 1st.
Credit Card Auto Pay will no longer be required
No 18 Month commitment is requires
In addition AT 250 will be available with Dish DVR Advantage for $59.99
In addition they are simplifying the premium packages with Dish DVR Advantage.
So if you have Dish DVR advantage with AT 200 for $49 a month you can get premiums at
2 Premium Service for $20 more
3 Premium Services for $30 more
4 Premium Service for $40 more
And in a way to upsell you to AT250 for $59 a month you can get premiums for...
1 for $10
2 for $20
3 for $30
4 for $40
And plus you can add HD to any of the above for only $20 more a month.
With that they wrapped up and introduced Al Gore, who gave a great (and funny speach) If he acted this human when he was running for president he would have won the ellection.
And that wrapped up the General Assembly.
Now I am headed down to the Expo Floor and will be takinig LOTS of pictures.
Stay Tuned. And again thanks for your continued support!
digiblur's note: If you are going to quote this message, please refrain from quoting the entire message.
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This thread is a place to discuss the 4K events that appear on channel 540. We are getting, at this point, one college football game a week. Let's hope there is more coming.
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Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.
I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.
edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.
As I recall you have the Flex package. Do you sub to multisport? -02 is FS1 and -03 is ESPN. -01 is Fox so you would get that if you sub to locals.Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.
I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.
edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.
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The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
Understanding the TPN Map
Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
Additional tabs provide:
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8
Understanding the TPN Map
Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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Hard getting used to the new younger Gibbs, Mark Harmons son had the right look but I understand he didn't want the role.
Still I'm enjoying, pretty good job with Franks.
Still I'm enjoying, pretty good job with Franks.
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Time for another AWESOME video from Lon Seidman of LON.TV!
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skcItfS1TLk
Direct YouTube Link - HP Googlebook 14 Review !
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skcItfS1TLk
Direct YouTube Link - HP Googlebook 14 Review !
The Official LON.TV Website
Lon on Facebook
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For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.
They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.
Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.
On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.
It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.
I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.
Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.
On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.
It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.
I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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College Football Playoff nears agreement on 24-team expansion that could end title games
The College Football Playoff field is about to get much more crowded as the conferences near a deal to double the size of the field to 24 teams starting next year
www.cbssports.com
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Can't help but wonder if a worker overlooked checking the harness. I rarely ride a roller coaster anymore but when I do I check the harness myself pretty aggressively.
Can't imagine what the son is going through.
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Can't imagine what the son is going through.
Dad levitated and bled then fell to his death from coaster
Eyewitnesses have shared fresh details of the horrific accident that happened at Six Flags Over Georgia on Monday afternoon.
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Could B&M’s Patent on the “Clamshell” Ride Restraint Design Offer Clues as to What Happened on Goliath at Six Flags Over Georgia?
Incredibly sad news out of Six Flags Over Georgia as it’s being reported one man was killed after being ejected from Goliath, the B&M hyper coaster. Many news outlets have posted pictures of pe…
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Had no idea there were that many redundancies built into those restraints.Could B&M’s Patent on the “Clamshell” Ride Restraint Design Offer Clues as to What Happened on Goliath at Six Flags Over Georgia?
Incredibly sad news out of Six Flags Over Georgia as it’s being reported one man was killed after being ejected from Goliath, the B&M hyper coaster. Many news outlets have posted pictures of pe…
It makes sense, however, I would want more types of restraints, so if one doesn't work, the other does ... the restraints coming over the shoulder I would have expected ... with a Seat belt as last resort.
Fwiw, I inquired with what they use on Coasters at Cedar Point, various Coasters, different restraints according to what the car and track requires ...
NONE of the Coasters at CP use THAT particular system
I'm glad to see ...
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Browns lose a close one with... The Jets. That is a classic Browns loss (granted, any loss is a classic one it seems). 49'ers, Vikings, and Chiefs remain undefeated. The AFC north have a three way tie at 3-2 for second place.
A big win for the Patriots, and they are now 3-2.
Browns lose a close one with... The Jets. That is a classic Browns loss (granted, any loss is a classic one it seems). 49'ers, Vikings, and Chiefs remain undefeated. The AFC north have a three way tie at 3-2 for second place.
Troy Aikman seems to confirm he'll be leaving ESPN
Aikman says he looks forward to "where my next landing spot will be."
www.nbcsports.com
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.Troy Aikman seems to confirm he'll be leaving ESPN
Aikman says he looks forward to "where my next landing spot will be."
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Wasn't exactly sure where to post this. Just had a customer come in inquiring about internet. He has HughesNet and had heard good things about mine. He asked if we provided email addresses and it kinda caught me off guard. I said he should be able to keep whatever email he had been using....my sister in law is still using a BellSouth email addy and they haven't been around here for many years. He said he had gotten a letter from HughesNet stating that they had until Nov 16th to save, move, forward, whatever, their Hughesnet emails because they would lose them after that date.
I have never heard of a company simply mass-deleting email accounts (the customer still has his HughesNet service). From what I understand, in the past, the company who was ditching their email service simply sold the customer base to a company like Google.
Anyone else getting this letter. He said he would show it to me tomorrow when I go out there and set up his internet.
I have never heard of a company simply mass-deleting email accounts (the customer still has his HughesNet service). From what I understand, in the past, the company who was ditching their email service simply sold the customer base to a company like Google.
Anyone else getting this letter. He said he would show it to me tomorrow when I go out there and set up his internet.
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Still the same number of years, just more Sunsets…Wouldn't we then die of old age sooner?
