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mjstraw

Last reply Jun 4, 2007 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Multiple local/dma packages?

I remember some talk a while back about being able to purchase multiple local packages "real soon".

We're in PA, right on the edge of the Pittsburgh and Johnstown/Altoona DMAs. Disk sez we can subscribe to Pittsburgh local channels.

If I can only have one, then I'm glad it's Pgh. But I'd really like to have both. Looks like I'm covered by both "spots" so it should be technically possible.

Any way I can do this?

Mark

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SpencerCat

May 28, 2007

DISHCOMM, thanks for responding, but please keep in mind the following two facts:

1. On Friday, I was in DMA X (HD locals), and on Saturday, when I removed the 721 and added the 622, I was in DMA Y (no HD locals). According to the DMA map, I am definitely in DMA X, even though most of my zip code is in DMA Y. If DMA's are determined strictly by zip code, then why do DMA maps exist? The map I looked at puts me in DMA X (HD locals).

2. And this is the important one. According to Dish I am in DMA Y (no HD locals), and according to DirecTV I am in DMA X (HD locals). If, as you say, AC Neilsen determines a location's DMA, then Dish and DirecTV should be using the same criteria, and both would place me in the same DMA. In my case, Dish and DirecTV contradict each other, so someone is using incorrect data or processing the data incorrectly.

Regardless of X, Y, Z, LSMFT ... I currently have HD locals, although I had to lie in order to get them, and I hope that I never need onsite service, because then I will have to move from the phony address and then, after the service, move back to a phony address.

Receiving HD locals should not be this difficult.

It seems obvious that the process of assigning people to specific DMA's can be problematic and needs to be addressed.

Just my thoughts.

ComcastOgre

May 28, 2007

It truly does work. I now have Chicago SD / HD locals below 100 with my OTA Indy channels, and both sets up in the 8000's. Thanks a bunch.

jself1982

May 29, 2007

DBSOgre said:
It truly does work. I now have Chicago SD / HD locals below 100 with my OTA Indy channels, and both sets up in the 8000's. Thanks a bunch.

Thank you for confirming, if HD is available on those and you have the right satellites setup, you will get the HD's too!! :up

dishcomm

May 30, 2007

SpencerCat said:
DISHCOMM, thanks for responding, but please keep in mind the following two facts:

1. On Friday, I was in DMA X (HD locals), and on Saturday, when I removed the 721 and added the 622, I was in DMA Y (no HD locals). According to the DMA map, I am definitely in DMA X, even though most of my zip code is in DMA Y. If DMA's are determined strictly by zip code, then why do DMA maps exist? The map I looked at puts me in DMA X (HD locals).

2. And this is the important one. According to Dish I am in DMA Y (no HD locals), and according to DirecTV I am in DMA X (HD locals). If, as you say, AC Neilsen determines a location's DMA, then Dish and DirecTV should be using the same criteria, and both would place me in the same DMA. In my case, Dish and DirecTV contradict each other, so someone is using incorrect data or processing the data incorrectly.

Regardless of X, Y, Z, LSMFT ... I currently have HD locals, although I had to lie in order to get them, and I hope that I never need onsite service, because then I will have to move from the phony address and then, after the service, move back to a phony address.

Receiving HD locals should not be this difficult.

It seems obvious that the process of assigning people to specific DMA's can be problematic and needs to be addressed.

Just my thoughts.

YEs, acording ot the maps I have been able to find it appears that DMA boundaries are on county or state lines. Whichever is applicable..However, AC Nielsen seperates the DMA's by zip code.
I tried to find a link to a site that gave either a DMA map by zips or DMA zip code list. No luck....
Again, periodically AC Nielsen adjusts DMA boundaries. One of the satcos may have outdated info in their computers...Nothing is perfect..Heck, I have a friend who has lived in a home he had built for two years and D* still does not have the address in their data banks..Weird...I just wanted you to know that you needn't fall inot that trap of thinking there is some sort of conspiracy. MAny times on this board posters have placed soem pretty angry comments on here. Those comments seem to have the same genre. "Someone's screwing me"...

BearcatScott

May 31, 2007

dishcomm said:
YEs, acording ot the maps I have been able to find it appears that DMA boundaries are on county or state lines. Whichever is applicable..However, AC Nielsen seperates the DMA's by zip code.
I tried to find a link to a site that gave either a DMA map by zips or DMA zip code list. No luck....
Again, periodically AC Nielsen adjusts DMA boundaries. One of the satcos may have outdated info in their computers...Nothing is perfect..Heck, I have a friend who has lived in a home he had built for two years and D* still does not have the address in their data banks..Weird...I just wanted you to know that you needn't fall inot that trap of thinking there is some sort of conspiracy. MAny times on this board posters have placed soem pretty angry comments on here. Those comments seem to have the same genre. "Someone's screwing me"...

Well, this may answer the question about my problems. I live in a county that is in the Cincinnati DMA but my zip code is in the Dayton DMA. Dish provides me with the Cincinnati SD locals but I get no guide data fot the OTA Cincinnati HD locals. Dish must look at the zip to provide you the guide data for the HD locals but uses the county to determine which locals to provide you. Whatever it is, it is frustrating. I get no guide data and I purchase locals.

dishcomm

May 31, 2007

BearcatScott said:
Well, this may answer the question about my problems. I live in a county that is in the Cincinnati DMA but my zip code is in the Dayton DMA. Dish provides me with the Cincinnati SD locals but I get no guide data fot the OTA Cincinnati HD locals. Dish must look at the zip to provide you the guide data for the HD locals but uses the county to determine which locals to provide you. Whatever it is, it is frustrating. I get no guide data and I purchase locals.

Dish has no say in what locals to deliver to whom..AC Nielsen determines that..As far as your giude issue is concerned. I am going to ask some questions you may have asked already. I juts want to wrpa this up.
Do you have the proper dish and LNB array to get HD locals?.Are you certain you are reciving locals from a DMA that Dish also transmits HS locals?
If you are supposed to receive HD locals and have the proper EQ ,you should be getting them..Dish would not send you SD locals and exclude you from receiving HD locals form that same DMA provided you have the proper EQ.

jself1982

May 31, 2007

If its known publicly--Dish Network won't let it keep happening, suprised they haven't caught 'their' glitch.

BearcatScott

Jun 1, 2007

dishcomm said:
Dish has no say in what locals to deliver to whom..AC Nielsen determines that..As far as your giude issue is concerned. I am going to ask some questions you may have asked already. I juts want to wrpa this up.
Do you have the proper dish and LNB array to get HD locals?.Are you certain you are reciving locals from a DMA that Dish also transmits HS locals?
If you are supposed to receive HD locals and have the proper EQ ,you should be getting them..Dish would not send you SD locals and exclude you from receiving HD locals form that same DMA provided you have the proper EQ.

I just get SD locals through Dish, Dish does not provide Cincinnati HD locals yet. My problem is just with getting the guide data for the OTA HD local channels. I did get the guide data before I moved a couple years back. I moved 5 miles and the only difference is my zip code (I am still in the same county).

Buzzdar

Jun 1, 2007

just tell dish you moved back to your old address

jjnemoiii

Jun 1, 2007

jself1982 said:
If its known publicly--Dish Network won't let it keep happening, suprised they haven't caught 'their' glitch.

Any chance you could PM the info to me? I just want a second DMA w/HD. Would be greatly appreciated!

Building

Jun 4, 2007

Confused?

jself1982 said:
Thank you for confirming, if HD is available on those and you have the right satellites setup, you will get the HD's too!! :up

Did you tell DBSOGRE the procedure, or did he figure it out from hints in your posts? I very curious to figure this out. Do you need two receivers to make it work? I've PM'd you a couple times, if you look at that stuff.

jself1982

Jun 4, 2007

Building said:
Did you tell DBSOGRE the procedure, or did he figure it out from hints in your posts? I very curious to figure this out. Do you need two receivers to make it work? I've PM'd you a couple times, if you look at that stuff.

Check your PM's.

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Ham Radio 2.0

17 minutes ago · posted in Ham Radio 2.0

Veterans Day Reading That Will Make You Stop and Think

Time for another AWESOME video from Ham Radio 2.0!

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dfergie

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!

Last reply 17 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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harshness

Monday at 4:41 PM

Finally! Some big movement in California diesel pricing (and no, there is no such beastie as a diesel "winter formula").

Crude (combined pricing) is around $90/barrel now, so prices should have, at least, fallen in step with the crude futures.

dishstaller

Yesterday at 8:19 AM

harshness said:
Finally! Some big movement in California diesel pricing (and no, there is no such beastie as a diesel "winter formula").

Just curious here.....then why is diesel so much higher out there than it is elsewhere. Bobby just posted $7.59/gal, locally it is $5.59.....that's two bucks difference. :eeek

harshness

Yesterday at 10:25 AM

dishstaller said:
Just curious here.....then why is diesel so much higher out there than it is elsewhere.

California has a ~93¢ per gallon consumer tax rate on automotive diesel, along with significantly higher refinement standards.

The fact that consumers can only buy some new full-sized truck models and a couple of vans with diesel power makes the fuel an odd duck in refinery priorities.

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osu1991

Yesterday at 10:44 AM

$3.50-$3.52 around Tulsa and $3.45 in OKC

Bobby

37 minutes ago

Regular$5.399
Premium$5.899
Diesel$7.599
at Costco, Rohnert Park.

osu1991

17 minutes ago

$3.46 around Tulsa this morning

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply 36 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Gary Toma

Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge

Last reply 44 minutes ago · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum

DIRECTV Transponder Map ~ Data 11/04/2026

The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:

National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)

Additional tabs provide:

OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders

Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions

DIRECTV_TPN_Map_261104.xlsx 1,879 KB

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KyL416

Friday at 8:11 PM

Nothing testing on stream yet for WISH/8 (CW) or WNDY/23 (MNT), but WRTV/6 (ABC) returned at around 11:37am ET.

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doctor J

Today at 7:22 AM

DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Nov 11 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Nov 11 2026 vs Nov 04 2026:

No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

1 Transponder cleared of all Streams::
Net 15 TID 17 Beam NAT + PR is a National Transponder on D15@103ca, TPN 18

Stream (PID) counts:

LIVE Streams	National		Spot Beams
	Count	Change	Count	Change
4K	4
HD	265	-1	1450	1
SD mpeg4	143	-1	194
SD mpeg2	434	1
RB
Audio	89
Push	26
Slate	19		1

TEST Streams	National		Spot Beams
	Count	Change	Count	Change
4K
HD			2	1
SD mpeg4
SD mpeg2
RB
Engr Work	38	-18

The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files
Remapping
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
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doctor J

Today at 7:23 AM

Weekly Analysis for 11/11/2026:

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KyL416

Today at 8:17 AM

KJNP/4 is testing for the Fairbanks DMA

WRTV/6 Indianapolis is back, no sign of its sister stations yet

ElectionHQ reverted back to the News Mix

Some TPN swaps

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KJNP/4 is testing for the Fairbanks DMA

Wow that's still around. I grew up there.

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TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Today at 10:02 AM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Refrigeration Cyberattacks: How Hackers Spoiled Millions in Food #shorts

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Last reply Today at 9:53 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Bankruptcy - Business as Usual

Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th

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slow_poke_pete

Monday at 6:38 PM

https://www.phonearena.com/news/att-reshoring-customer-care_id184650

Meanwhile att is getting rid of overseas call centers

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comfortably_numb

Monday at 6:52 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
https://www.phonearena.com/news/att-reshoring-customer-care_id184650

Meanwhile att is getting rid of overseas call centers

Too bad their service is expensive and their coverage sucks compared to the other two of the Big 3

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Juan

Monday at 9:50 PM

comfortably_numb said:
Too bad their service is expensive and their coverage sucks compared to the other two of the Big 3

Was that a back door compliment for Verizon?

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comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 9:27 AM

Juan said:
Was that a back door compliment for Verizon?

And TMO. If anybody's lagging behind the most, it's ATT.

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ERSanders

Yesterday at 10:52 AM

The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!

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Juan

Yesterday at 11:35 AM

ERSanders said:
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!

I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS

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dishdude

Yesterday at 11:35 AM

Juan said:
I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS

And Steve Jobs stole the mouse and GUI

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ERSanders

Yesterday at 12:47 PM

ERSanders said:
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!

Actually I survived despite them for 31 years and two expait assignments. But the quest for the current quarter's profits doomed long term vision, planning and actions.

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Strega

Yesterday at 7:41 PM

Juan said:
I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS

He bought that for $50,000. What he bought was originally called QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System) from Seattle Computer Products which was designed to be similar to CP/M - an OS for the Intel 8080. Seems like a decent investment. ;-)

There have been claims that the original developer of QDOS stole CP/M code and according to legend there is some command that you can type into MS-DOS that makes it print the name of the developer of CP/M, thus proving theft, but no one seems to know what that command actually is. ;-)

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fmj77

Yesterday at 10:41 PM

comfortably_numb said:
And TMO. If anybody's lagging behind the most, it's ATT.

ATT has the best service by far in my area, with Verizon being a distant second. T Mobile service is non-existent in these parts.

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comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 11:04 PM

fmj77 said:
ATT has the best service by far in my area

I've never been to NC, but I can't think of anyplace in the Midwest or West where AT&T outperforms Verizon or T-Mobile, it seems to me they just don't have as many towers here

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ERSanders

Today at 9:53 AM

dishdude said:
And Steve Jobs stole the mouse and GUI

Yup!

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"MysteryMan"

Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 9:06 AM · posted in Computers and Gadgets

Windows 10/11 Download

I created this thread on the original Edgecutter Cutting Edge Forums site. It's simply a place for those to review the latest software available for those using Windows 10 and Windows 11. To date it has received 112,559 views. I have been asked by staff to continue this thread here.

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EarDemon

Oct 15, 2026

I could probably use that as a starting point, but I don't like the full size icons. If you have to click on each folder that's also a no-go for me, it has to be cascading.

I used to have Peppermint Linux in a VM, that was about as close as I could get to recreating a Windows NT4.0 style of menu structure, but I could never get it to scale properly in VMWare on a 4K display and eventually gave up.

Whatever the boot up time it's fine with me. The longest part of my bootup is the HP SureStart BIOS integrity check. Once that is done, it's only a few more seconds. I haven't done this reg tweak yet since the reformat, but I switched the bootup animation to the Windows 10 style spinning circle of dots, and it's two and a half rotations. I can live with that.

HipKat

Oct 16, 2026

EarDemon said:
I could probably use that as a starting point, but I don't like the full size icons. If you have to click on each folder that's also a no-go for me, it has to be cascading.

I used to have Peppermint Linux in a VM, that was about as close as I could get to recreating a Windows NT4.0 style of menu structure, but I could never get it to scale properly in VMWare on a 4K display and eventually gave up.

Whatever the boot up time it's fine with me. The longest part of my bootup is the HP SureStart BIOS integrity check. Once that is done, it's only a few more seconds. I haven't done this reg tweak yet since the reformat, but I switched the bootup animation to the Windows 10 style spinning circle of dots, and it's two and a half rotations. I can live with that.

I used to pin the C: drive to the Win Taskbar and it would open in cascading style

"MysteryMan"

Oct 28, 2026

2026-10 Preview Update Builds: 26300.9818 and 26200.9818 (KB5127936) has been released. Moderate time needed for those choosing to perform a manual download/install/restart. Quality improvements only. No new operating system features.

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JSheridan

Oct 29, 2026

Actually it looks like there are a lot of features new or updated, although most are on a gradual rollout schedule.

KB5127936 Windows 11 Cumulative Update Preview build 26200.9818 (25H2) and 26300.9818 (26H2) - Oct. 28

Microsoft Support: This cumulative update for Windows 11, versions 26H2 and 25H2 (KB5127936), includes production-quality improvements. Announcements and messages This section provides key notifications related to this release, including announcements, change logs, and end-of-support notices...

www.elevenforum.com

Tweek

Today at 2:36 AM

There were several new updates today.

"MysteryMan"

Today at 9:06 AM

Tweek said:
There were several new updates today.

That is correct. My late report is due to internet outages in my area. 2026-11 Security Update (KB5132061) Builds: 26300.9974, 26200.9974 and26100.9974 along with several .NET Security Updates were released yesterday. Moderate time needed for those choosing to perform a manual download/install/restart.

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TFLEV

Today at 7:22 AM · posted in TFLEV

I'll Admit It: I Was Totally WRONG About the Audi e-tron GT...and Here's Why!

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BlackHitachi

Supporting Founder

Last reply Today at 2:22 AM · posted in Movie Talk

Last & Next Movie Watched

Since the Reds have there thread we should too!

Last watched Nine inch Nails
Next 3:10 to Yuma

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osu1991

Thursday at 8:06 PM

View: https://youtu.be/l3EMhIo1fVo?is=0sWWW9fevsF5tfSW

Small Soldiers (1998)

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dishstaller

Thursday at 9:21 PM

Just watched Napoleon. Good night.....all of those young men dying for the egos of their leaders. Now we can kill at a distance, back then you saw the man you were killing eye to eye.

osu1991

Yesterday at 10:15 PM

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Demolition Man was this afternoon's entertainment.

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Today at 12:12 AM

The rat burger and the three shells...yep, that was good stuff! :biggrin

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osu1991

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Last reply Yesterday at 11:49 PM · posted in TV Shows

Marvel Television’s VisionQuest

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Oct 14 Disney+

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Foxbat

Oct 28, 2026

Apparently I'm not a big enough nerd

since I did not read every Marvel Comic Book ever published. If I had, I might be comparing the comics' version of events compared to what's transpiring in "Visionquest". So, I am enjoying the series a lot, not weighed down by previous expectations, knowing only the Avengers MCU movies and the "Wandavision" / "Agatha All Along" TV series.

I found the Mr Know-it-All channel from his discussion about "Star Trek: Strange New Worlds" and he's been gleefully picking these episodes apart, referencing the Marvel comics from the 1939 on. Turns out A.I. has been around since before World War II, at least in the comics. (Robots before that, yes, yes.) This show is going back into the archives.

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Foxbat

Thursday at 1:32 PM

I'm expecting the finale to basically bring Vision into play for the Doomsday movie next month.

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osu1991

Thursday at 2:06 PM

annoying they went with single episodes for the last two after releasing two a week for the first 3 weeks

Foxbat

Thursday at 3:41 PM

osu1991 said:
annoying they went with single episodes for the last two after releasing two a week for the first 3 weeks

I thought they were effectively releasing a longer episode 7 and 8 instead of shorter episodes 7 & 8 this week and 9 & 10 next week. It felt like they were packing more into this episode.

edit: But you're right, the run time of the first three pairs of episodes was 100 minutes on average. Episode 7 clocks in at 65 minutes.

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osu1991

Yesterday at 11:49 PM

FYI…there are after credit scenes in the finale

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