DIRECTV unlikely to keep NFL Sunday Ticket

[Joe The Dragon]

The issue becomes businesses. Leaving out the millions who have no other need for video quality internet, there is no real value for a sports bar in an Apple TV + subscription. Mostly female oriented melodramas.

Which is why a B2B deal with DirecTV makes sense.

also things like HBO , SHOW TIME, Netflix and others are NOT FOR public viewing. Now they are ok for private viewing like hotels.

Apple TV + may not even be open for public viewing of there content.

 

[Bruce]

The current number of fans able to get NFLST is, 99.9%. You want it, you call the nice DirecTV lady and she sends out a nice man to do an instal, and there you go.

And then you have to pay the high monthly ( average around $130) DirecTV bill to get it, I rather it be available to everyone regardless of who you subscribe to for Live TV services or even if you do not.

And after this upcoming season, you will not have to call the nice DirecTV lady to get it.

If on Apple, pretty much the same deal. You go to Best Buy and get the proper equipment, or download the app if you already have it, and there you go. If Amazon, same thing. Netflix. Hulu, ESPN+. Peacock, Paramount Plus. Whatever.

That is right, but you are not getting the point, you no longer have to pay for a extra subscription to get it ( unless it is Prime, but who does not have Prime now).

For example, if I want HBO only, I can go to itunes, Amazon or even to HBO directly, I do not have to pay a monthly Live TV bill on top of that.

That is how it used to be, that is why NFLST moving to the streaming world is a good thing, it gives people a choice to subscribe to it that does not have DirecTV, like me, based on your logic, I should drop You Tube TV at $65 a month, go to DirecTV, pay a lot more ( and I would need 11 boxes which adds more to the cost) just to get NFLST.

 

[Bruce]

also things like HBO , SHOW TIME, Netflix and others are NOT FOR public viewing. Now they are ok for private viewing like hotels.

Hotels ( and all other Businesses) pay a lot more (then the general public)for HBO, Showtime and the like.

Apple TV + may not even be open for public viewing of there content.

They are not, that is why DirecTV might be doing it for Business Customers only.

If Amazon gets it, they already have Amazon Business to handle Commercial Accounts.

 

[SamCdbs]

That is right, but you are not getting the point, you no longer have to pay for a extra subscription to get it .

Umm, yes you will. The point is that this is a money losing package. Totally different from the out-of-market packages in the other sports.

DirecTV has always lost money on it. If Apple gets it, it will lose money on it, same with Amazon, Disney, Netflix, whoever.

DirecTV predicated ST on buying the rich wonderful-ness that is linear TV from it. Its business plan is that it thought more people (and more sports bars, casinos, etc.) bought their regular linear service from it to access ST.

And Apple, or whoever, W I L L do the same thing. ST will NOT be a stand alone product. Rather it will be predicated on first buying something else. Probably Apple TV + or perhaps a new phone for a year.

Difference is that while linear TV is filled with variety, Apple TV + is just estrogen soaked melodramas. That pretty much sums up ALL of the streaming services. All of the streaming services, put together, are just what HBO and Showtime were, c 1995, and how many people had those back then? About the same as have ONLY streaming now, because it is ONE type of programming.

Not the rich variety linear TV provides.

 

[Bruce]

Umm, yes you will. The point is that this is a money losing package. Totally different from the out-of-market packages in the other sports.

None of us knows what Amazon or Apple will do with it, but I just checked and can subscribe to MLB and NBA League Pass via Apple/itunes at no extra monthly cost, just the cost of the service, no reason NFLST will not be the same.

DirecTV has always lost money on it. If Apple gets it, it will lose money on it, same with Amazon, Disney, Netflix, whoever.

Maybe, maybe not.

DirecTV predicated ST on buying the rich wonderful-ness that is linear TV from it. Its business plan is that it thought more people (and more sports bars, casinos, etc.) bought their regular linear service from it to access ST.

Yep and now it no longer works to attract customers, AT&T burned it to the ground with it’s way too high price and no updates to the equipment.

There is a reason why DirecTV has lost about 9-10 million in the last 5 years, more then other TV Providers, AT&T mismanagement is one of the reasons.

And Apple, or whoever, W I L L do the same thing. ST will NOT be a stand alone product. Rather it will be predicated on first buying something else. Probably Apple TV + or perhaps a new phone for a year.

Answered above.

Difference is that while linear TV is filled with variety, Apple TV + is just estrogen soaked melodramas. That pretty much sums up ALL of the streaming services. All of the streaming services, put together, are just what HBO and Showtime were, c 1995, and how many people had those back then? About the same as have ONLY streaming now, because it is ONE type of programming.

Not the rich variety linear TV provides.

Apple TV provides a lot more then melodramas, sci-fi ( Foundation is one example), Animation (Central Park), Alternate history ( For All Mankind), Comedy ( Ted Lasso-Emmy Winner), etc, etc, here is a List-

List of Apple TV+ original programming - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And I consider Apple TV something like HBO, a extra premium channel, it is not supposed to be a Live TV replacement.

 

[Juan]

None of us knows what Amazon or Apple will do with it, but I just check and can subscribe to MLB and NBA League Pass via Apple/itunes at no extra monthly cost, no reason NFLST will not be the same.

Maybe, maybe not.

Yep and now it no longer works to attract customers, AT&T burned it to the ground with it’s way too high price and no updates to the equipment.

There is a reason why DirecTV has lost about 9-10 million in the last 5 years, more then other TV Providers, AT&T mismanagement is one of the reasons.

Answered above.

Apple TV provides a lot more then melodramas, sci-fi ( Foundation is one example), Animation (Central Park), Alternate history ( For All Mankind), Comedy ( Ted Lasso-Emmy Winner), etc, etc, here is a List-

List of Apple TV+ original programming - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And I consider Apple TV something like HBO, a extra premium channel, it is not supposed to be a Live TV replacement.

Which is why bundling sunday ticket with appletv is not equivalent to bundling with directv

 

[SamCdbs]

None of us knows what Amazon or Apple will do with it, but I just checked and can subscribe to MLB and NBA League Pass via Apple/itunes at no extra monthly cost, just the cost of the service, no reason NFLST will not be the same.

Umm, yes there is. The other leagues’ out-of-market packages are profitable. Provider pays $X for the package per customer and sells it AT A PROFIT. That simple. ST is NOT profitable. The business plan is to bundle it with something else. It WILL be bundled.

Maybe, maybe not.

No, the NFL wants MORE $$ than any provider can make from it on a cash basis. Any provider that would be stupid enough to buy it and not bundle it would be setting itself up for bankruptcy.

There is NO commentator in the sports media space that does not understand that ST is unprofitable on a cash basis.

There is a reason why DirecTV has lost about 9-10 million in the last 5 years, more then other TV Providers,

DirecTV losses on a %age basis are actually less than cable.

Apple TV provides a lot more then melodramas, sci-fi ( Foundation is one example), Animation (Central Park), Alternate history ( For All Mankind), Comedy ( Ted Lasso-Emmy Winner), etc, etc,

Thanks for the list of melodramas.

And I consider Apple TV something like HBO, a extra premium channel, it is not supposed to be a Live TV replacement.

Exactly. That is all all streaming is. HBO/Showtime c1995. A supplement. Extra, mostly for people that like melodramas.

Live TV, aka linear TV is a still necessary for the vast majority of people who want other forms of programming.

 

[Don in CT]

Apple can afford to take a loss on ST. I doubt they will though.

 

[Bruce]

DirecTV losses on a %age basis are actually less than cable.

Prove it, DirecTV Sat Service has gone from 21 million to 12 million, that is a, roughly, 42% drop in subs.

Thanks for the list of melodramas.

Now you are just being a jerk.

Exactly. That is all all streaming is. HBO/Showtime c1995. A supplement. Extra, mostly for people that like melodramas.

Live TV, aka linear TV is a still necessary for the vast majority of people who want other forms of programming.

Again, every show from Live TV is on streaming, either before, same day or a day after, so those we just Live TV are missing out because I get those shows plus all the streaming shows, like Star Trekicard the melodrama, at a much lower price.

The only thing lacking is sports, but streaming is catching up, actually for me, I could get every game from the sports teams in Detroit ( except the Lions until next year), but that is because I live in Florida now.

 

[Ronnie-]

Live TV, aka linear TV is a still necessary for the vast majority of people who want other forms of programming.

Out of curiosity, what other forms of programing are available exclusively via linear tv that one cant watch via streaming?

I would say the most obvious answer might be some live sports? In many ways that is changing now.

What else though? I am genuinely curious, as the draw for me any my household is we could get all the content that linear provided, plus much that it didnt. Well, that and save a significant amount of money.

 

[Don in CT]

Out of curiosity, what other forms of programing are available exclusively via linear tv that one cant watch via streaming?

I would say the most obvious answer might be some live sports? In many ways that is changing now.

What else though? I am genuinely curious, as the draw for me any my household is we could get all the content that linear provided, plus much that it didnt. Well, that and save a significant amount of money.

Live sports is it really. Everything else can be found elsewhere.

 

[slice1900]

Prove it, DirecTV Sat Service has gone from 21 million to 12 million, that is a, roughly, 42% drop in subs.

Last industry estimate I saw was losing 400K subscribers last quarter to hit 14.6 million, but as a non-public company they are no longer required to supply actual numbers.

 

[Bruce]

Last industry estimate I saw was losing 400K subscribers last quarter to hit 14.6 million, but as a non-public company they are no longer required to supply actual numbers.

14.6 million included uverse and the streaming side of DirecTV, I only included the Satellite Subs because they are the only ones able to get NFLST.

They had 13 million Satellite Subs at the end of 2020, lost another 1,000,000 over quarter 1 and 2, 2021, then the next 2 quarters were estimated at 800,000 loss.

 

[Juan]

Out of curiosity, what other forms of programing are available exclusively via linear tv that one cant watch via streaming?

I would say the most obvious answer might be some live sports? In many ways that is changing now.

What else though? I am genuinely curious, as the draw for me any my household is we could get all the content that linear provided, plus much that it didnt. Well, that and save a significant amount of money.

Many people like the ease of satellite tv..they know what channel their shows are on
Change can be difficult

 

[dtv757]

I love my DirecTV

My ISP on the other hand, they can burn in hell

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[Ronnie-]

Many people like the ease of satellite tv..they know what channel their shows are on
Change can be difficult

That is true.

It didn’t really address what I asked at all, but I do agree, and have stated the same thing many times.

 

[Juan]

That is true.

It didn’t really address what I asked at all, but I do agree, and have stated the same thing many times.

Its the fact they can easily find what they want to watch rather than hunt thru a bunch of apps to find the same programming..
I am sure you can match directv programming if you are tech savy.( some old seasoned citizens can adapt easily) but many people just want the easy button

Someday..when you can push a button and say what program you want..and the roku or whatever will search every app and just play it..streaming will have arrived

 

[meStevo]

Someday..when you can push a button and say what program you want..and the roku or whatever will search every app and just play it..streaming will have arrived

That's what Chromecast (and others to some extent I'm sure) has been doing for a number of years now.

We are in agreement that that is what it will take for wider adoption, we're fortunate that we've already passed that point and it's just a matter of it getting better and even more accessible.

 

[Juan]

That's what Chromecast (and others to some extent I'm sure) has been doing for a number of years now.

We are in agreement that that is what it will take for wider adoption, we're fortunate that we've already passed that point and it's just a matter of it getting better and even more accessible.

Actually streaming needs to be something exceptional compared to directv..right now the discussion is what does directv have that streaming doesn't?..not much...until people see things in streaming that directv doesn't have..people will stick with what they have

 

[Bruce]

Many people like the ease of satellite tv..they know what channel their shows are on
Change can be difficult

What is so different then knowing what channel certain shows are on and knowing what streaming service certain shows are on ?