DISH Announces Conference Call for First Quarter 2016 Financial Results
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Yes and that loss includes the SLING tv subs included in the sub numbers totals. I do find it funny, how the average revenue per sub goes up each year, which is coincidently timed after the yearly price hikes for programming and or fee increases or both. The profits almost always go up no matter what happens. Couldn't be those pesky numerous DISH fees added in with the yearly Programming price hikes could it?
Yes and that loss includes the SLING tv subs included in the sub numbers totals. I do find it funny, how the average revenue per sub goes up each year, which is coincidently timed after the yearly price hikes for programming and or fee increases or both. The profits almost always go up no matter what happens. Couldn't be those pesky numerous DISH fees added in with the yearly Programming price hikes could it?
Yes, I have to agree. I don't think they (Dish) are the only ones, it is basically the standard model in the industry. Now at maturity, cable/DBS are just moving the subscribers around from one provider to another like a ping pong game, with some attrition (cord cutting, cord nevers). I don't see how this can go on and on and on. Time will tell I suppose.
I think that within the next 5 - 8 years the pay tv industry will change ,because more and more of the core cable audience -older generation- will continue to die out. Add to that the changes brought by the Millennials -who don't sub to pay tv and or will never sub. The continue price gouging by the industry and the continued fee creations and increases by the pay tv providers themselves , will bring the end of the present model. Even the FCC is now saying that pay tv boxes should be now open to any 3rd party company to manufacture, to avoid the subs having to pay the monthly fees that have increased like 185% in the last 22 years. This is all a recipe for a big changes in the near future. The present model will not stand for long.
Evercore analysts used Dish's disclosures in its 10-Q filing with the SEC to estimate that Dish's satellite business lost between 166,000 and 215,000 subscribers and that Sling TV added between 143,000 and 192,000 subscribers. MoffettNathanson's estimates weren't too far off from that, with the analyst firm calculating Dish's satellite losses to be about 158,000 and its Sling TV additions to be about 135,000.
Losing 170,000 $90 monthly subscribers but gaining 150,000 $20 subscribers. I have to think the $20-25 subscribers aren't very profitable.
Losing 170,000 $90 monthly subscribers but gaining 150,000 $20 subscribers. I have to think the $20-25 subscribers aren't very profitable.
I agree. That $70.00 a month loss is not very good for profits,but the profits seem to keep going up as does the average revenue per sub , who stay with satellite -due to yearly programming pack increases and of course the ever expanding fees that DISH charges. Hell just upgrading to the new Hopper 3 and a couple of joeys from a Vip 722k dvr and a couple of 211ks would increase your monthly fees from $21.00 a month( $7.00 dvr fee + $14.00 for two 211ks ) to $29.00 a month($15.00 dvr fee + $14.00 for two joeys).
They knew that they had to add the Sling service to try to compensate for the subscriber losses that they would have from the satellite side. They will gain only a fraction of the profit back but its better to have something than nothing. And as the Sling service matures and enough subscribers come on board they can add more packages and services to it as they have been doing lately to increase their profits from that as well. Their acquisition costs for Sling is almost nothing and they probably see profits instantly vs the satellite side where they have a bit of a larger upfront cost.
I would agree that the present model will probably change, however, I doubt it will lead to the end of price gouging. Hollywood and the entertainment industry control the content and they are not going to give it away for free. Once Cable/Satellite delivery dies or becomes irrelevant, streaming controls and prices will increase dramatically to offset it..
Unfortunately, I agree with you. Different delivery system , same old tricks to gouge the public. But I hope that tv ala cart will take hold like it has now in Canada.
EchoStar has announced their quarterly earnings.
SEC Link: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1415404/000141540416000014/0001415404-16-000014-index.htm
Things are looking good for them.
Looks like their biggest (current) problem is lack of broadband capacity- their Hughes segment.
They are rocketing up satellites like the Fourth of July this year and should be hitting on all 8 cylinders by next year if things stay on schedule.
EchoStar 23 (rebuilt from the EchoStar 13 platform that was in storage) is a BSS satellite. It will launch to 45 West for Brazilian service in the third quarter.
They have canceled their contract for the Dish (owned) EchoStar 15 at 45W.
So, we may see EchoStar 15 move back to US service later this year.
SEC Link: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1415404/000141540416000014/0001415404-16-000014-index.htm
Things are looking good for them.
Looks like their biggest (current) problem is lack of broadband capacity- their Hughes segment.
They are rocketing up satellites like the Fourth of July this year and should be hitting on all 8 cylinders by next year if things stay on schedule.
EchoStar 23 (rebuilt from the EchoStar 13 platform that was in storage) is a BSS satellite. It will launch to 45 West for Brazilian service in the third quarter.
They have canceled their contract for the Dish (owned) EchoStar 15 at 45W.
So, we may see EchoStar 15 move back to US service later this year.
I think I remember reading somewhere that they were moving E15 back to a US slot. Don't know if they'll use it for anything or have it around for an in orbit spare.
That's the one going to your Western arc I bet.
Not E16.
Makes no sense to move 2 satellites.
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HopperGo to be released May 26. And there was a bunch of retailer info and not much else.
??? EchoStar 16 is a Conus/Spot satellite. EchoStar 15 is a Conus satellite. They are like apples and oranges.
So why the heck are they even bothering with E18 going to the 61.5 if nothing is wrong?
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