Dish Network's Charlie ergen in FCC crosshairs over wireless buildout

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  1. Claude Greiner

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    Agreed!
     
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    Close your eyes
    Squeeze tight
    Wish harder
     
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    Don't forget about clicking your heels together 3 times, and saying "There's no place like home".
     
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    Mean while that old deadline clock is ticking away..........;)
     
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    For me, Charlie fan or not, I am rooting for Dish to successfully deploy 5G using this spectrum if only to provide another competitor in the wireless marketplace. All the consolidation eliminating competition is getting old. Even better if Dish figures out a way to do this and include the rural customers. I am really skeptical about being able to service the rural marketplace but also hopeful.
     
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    The whole launch should have been 5 years ago.

    The problem is 5 years ago nobody saw how bad the streaming crap was going to cut into video subscribers.

    Even AT&T missed the mark or I don’t believe they would have bought Directv.

    Personally I do not want to have to rely on streaming for my Tv. I want a traditional box setup
     
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    ATT knew exactly what they were doing. You can't see five years into the future. Try to visualize the traditional box you have now, only instead of getting it's signal from a satellite thousands of miles away, it's getting it through the internet. Same receiver box experience, but lower production costs and better, more dependable signal.
     
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    I agreed with you, up to your last point. DIRECTV has had a closed system where they owned everything that carried their signal so they had complete control over it. Now they are giving that control up and will now be at the mercy of the CDN's, back bone network providers, your local ISP, all the coax between the cable company head end and all those telephones poles it's strung on and the modem/router sitting in the customers house and the customer network WiFi or wired network. So now if a internet delivered DIRECTV service customer has a problem I wonder what the CSR's script is now going to have for the PD tree?
     
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    And now that net neutrality has been repealed, the ISPs can block streaming services like this.
     
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    And Just wait until a major portion of an area is streaming. Then the streaming ip provider will jack up their prices so you pay more than today.

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    Or when your speeds start to tank they'll just point to the "UP TO" part of the advertisement and tell you to get business grade service is you need a guaranteed speed.
     
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    Net neutrality locks everybody in, without it competition can happen.

    We did great for 20 years without net neutrality, since it went away again, network speeds are actually up.

    Competition is ALWAYS better than governmental artificial strictures
     
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    Perhaps Dish is at least trying to get this deployed in this manner to show that they are available in the number of market penetration required to keep the license to buy them more time. This may be a cheap way to get deployed as well or an experiment one of many ways that they could deploy this. They may already have an agreement with a tower company but that not being enough for complete coverage that is required.

    Dish may be taking this route because they don’t want to give up a large stake in the new venture and keep full control and be reliant on another company for a fallout to risk the billions invested.


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    That may be so. But what about monopolies?
     
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    That doesn't make sense, with net neutrality all traffic is treated equally which allows for competition of different streaming providers. If the ISP decides what traffic they restrict or prioritize, then they're deciding what content the viewer has access to.

    I live in a major metro area and I only have one option for an ISP, so it's not like I can go to another provider.
     
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    The big providers are AGAINST Net Neutrality. That tells you right there all you need to know about it for the little guy...
     
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    Yup. The licenses are about area covered, not number of customers.

    So, all those little guys could add lots of area cheaply

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    The repeal of NN is all about ISPs being/becoming content providers who can then shovel the crap they want us to see at us instead of what we want to see. Ajit Pai is clearly owned by the industry he regulates.
     
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    Netflix, Google, Amazon are FOR Net Neutrality, that's all you need to know. End of discussion. Vote no on NN!
     
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    Well if Mitch says no on NN I need to make sure that I vote Yes on NN.

    Not only that as a Network Engineer you need to know that the newer tools available to ISPs make it so much easier to throttle and shape traffic that the potential for abuse has skyrocketed in recent years.

    The big boy ISPs (ATT/Verizon etc.) like to limit traffic through the peering points claiming that the external traffic hurts their network even though you as a customer of the big boy has requested the traffic by launching Netflix/ESPN+/Amazon Prime. The big ISP would much rather you just purchase your video service from them, you know bundling.
     
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